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Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Jimmy Garlic

Climate saint Greta Trunburg is settling sail for UN climate talks in New York to demand that governments socially engineer and tax the little people into oblivion to save the planet. Accompanied by her film maker father who lives vicariously through her, a filthy rich aristocrat from Monaco and some German bloke the trip will no doubt vastly increase the wattage of her halo before she lectures us all about impending climate Armageddon in New York. Hopefully snaps from the trip will make it into Hello! Magazine.

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Pa ElGrande

spacetweek wrote: »

Yawn. A war on climate change is exactly what's needed. Discussing the reality of it is not.

By definition that is a war on people.

ForestFire

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

For your penance go and confess your climate sins.

Eh... There seems to be some sort of technical issue with that website......

You are only able to select 1 item for your submission:rolleyes: and I can't find the "all of the above" button

They also seem to be missing the collection box, to pay for your penance, or is that only to help for the departed for their "sin", while they wait to be saved.....

[Deleted User]

biko wrote: »

Lefties will tell you it is natural because they have more population, but to be honest Europe's pollution is nothing compared to China.

We have had Ruhr and London back in the day but is fairly good now overall.

Damn lefties and the concept of per capita.. eh what

RobbingBandit

She's a real life Lisa Simpson

hetuzozaho

biko wrote: »

There are many heroes like Saalumarada Thimmakka on local level around the globe, but I suppose we need a Greta to shake the kids up.

Yup, I think you've proven that extremely well. Bravo.

hetuzozaho

gozunda wrote: »

the greta adoration thing is cute

Whatever floats your boat!

easypazz

spacetweek wrote: »

There are two possibilities regarding climate change:

1. It's a vast left conspiracy funded by George Soros to jack up taxes and over-regulate business so smug people can feel good about themselves.

2. It's a big problem that will damage the place we live so we should probably take steps to prevent it.

Occam's razor says #2 is more likely as it's simpler.

Greta is a young idealistic person sacrificing her youth to bring attention to this problem since world leaders won't stop subsidising fossil fuels and beef.

After 9/11, we recognised terrorism as a big global problem and we launched a war on it. Sitting around debating whether you "believed" that terrorism was or wasn't happening wasn't useful. We saw a problem and we dealt with it.
Every time I hear someone say "I don't believe in CC" I just hear "I don't believe that terrorism happens" as the WTC collapses.
Get real.

Nothing wrong with terrorism. It brought ireland freedom. And "we" didnt deal with it after 911.

The americans and brits levelled iraq murdering all around them. They certainly didnt do it in my name.

Tony EH

I don't recall Greta Thunberg excluding China or India, for that matter, from her admonishment of world leaders.

spacetweek

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

The war on terrorism bought an expansion in the military industrial complex, massive waste of resources, taxation, loss of freedom and substantial loss of life, and you want a war on climate?

Yawn. A war on climate change is exactly what's needed. Discussing the reality of it is not.

biko

vriesmays wrote: »

¼ of man-made carbon in the atmosphere comes from China.

Lefties will tell you it is natural because they have more population, but to be honest Europe's pollution is nothing compared to China.

We have had Ruhr and London back in the day but is fairly good now overall.

biko

French prez Macron think Greta is a bit OTT
https://www.europe1.fr/international/exclusif-emmanuel-macron-repond-a-greta-thunberg-je-nai-pas-le-sentiment-que-la-france-bloque-3921379

Pa ElGrande

spacetweek wrote: »

. . . .
After 9/11, we recognised terrorism as a big global problem and we launched a war on it. Sitting around debating whether you "believed" that terrorism was or wasn't happening wasn't useful. We saw a problem and we dealt with it.

Every time I hear someone say "I don't believe in CC" I just hear "I don't believe that terrorism happens" as the WTC collapses.
Get real.

The terrorism in question was a result of blow back caused by imperial powers (Soviet Union and USA) intervention in the region, that was exacerbated by religious fanaticism of its adherents. In the process Iraq was invaded and that set of a chain of events including a religious civil war and the destruction of several countries and led to the direct destruction of property including the loss of hundreds of thousands of people lives and triggered a migration crisis that has is still reverberating around Europe including Ireland. Another aspect was the reduction in freedom and increase in surveillance of people to freely travel to the United States and the passage in the United States of the Patriot act whose passage was influenced by the targeting of political opposition leaders using Anthrax. That Anthrax originated within the American military industry complex. The conflict drew in members of NATO in an an area of operation outside their remit and 18 years later the US military is still bogged down in the region at tremendous cost to the American taxpayer. It is ironic that American children born on 2001 are now enlisting in the US army to fight the war in Afghanistan against what are normally dirt farmers.

The war on terrorism bought an expansion in the military industrial complex, massive waste of resources, taxation, loss of freedom and substantial loss of life, and you want a war on climate?

vriesmays

¼ of man-made carbon in the atmosphere comes from China.

biko

There are many heroes like Saalumarada Thimmakka on local level around the globe, but I suppose we need a Greta to shake the kids up.
Too bad she is just another anti-West crusader. Ask her about China, India and other big polluters.
It really isn't her though, it's the people controlling her that don't care about the real polluters.

gozunda

spacetweek wrote: »

There are two possibilities regarding climate change:

1. It's a vast left conspiracy funded by George Soros to jack up taxes and over-regulate business so smug people can feel good about themselves.

2. It's a big problem that will damage the place we live so we should probably take steps to prevent it.

Occam's razor says #2 is more likely as it's simpler.Greta is a young idealistic person sacrificing her youth to bring attention to this problem since world leaders won't stop subsidising fossil fuels and beef.After 9/11, we recognised terrorism as a big global problem and we launched a war on it. Sitting around debating whether you "believed" that terrorism was or wasn't happening wasn't useful. We saw a problem and we dealt with it.
Every time I hear someone say "I don't believe in CC" I just hear "I don't believe that terrorism happens" as the WTC collapses.
Get real.

^^^

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/94/False-Dilemma

The only sacrificing going on here is logic ...

SafeSurfer

spacetweek wrote: »

There are two possibilities regarding climate change:

1. It's a vast left conspiracy funded by George Soros to jack up taxes and over-regulate business so smug people can feel good about themselves.

2. It's a big problem that will damage the place we live so we should probably take steps to prevent it.

Occam's razor says #2 is more likely as it's simpler.

Greta is a young idealistic person sacrificing her youth to bring attention to this problem since world leaders won't stop subsidising fossil fuels and beef.

After 9/11, we recognised terrorism as a big global problem and we launched a war on it. Sitting around debating whether you "believed" that terrorism was or wasn't happening wasn't useful. We saw a problem and we dealt with it.
Every time I hear someone say "I don't believe in CC" I just hear "I don't believe that terrorism happens" as the WTC collapses.
Get real.

You neglect to list a third possibility.
That it is a natural phenomenon that we have very little control over.

gozunda

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Looks like I've heard of her now thanks to greta!

I think you need to thank Biko - the greta adoration thing is cute but simply reinforces the point made in the comment :cool:

spacetweek

There are two possibilities regarding climate change:

1. It's a vast left conspiracy funded by George Soros to jack up taxes and over-regulate business so smug people can feel good about themselves.

2. It's a big problem that will damage the place we live so we should probably take steps to prevent it.

Occam's razor says #2 is more likely as it's simpler.

Greta is a young idealistic person sacrificing her youth to bring attention to this problem since world leaders won't stop subsidising fossil fuels and beef.

After 9/11, we recognised terrorism as a big global problem and we launched a war on it. Sitting around debating whether you "believed" that terrorism was or wasn't happening wasn't useful. We saw a problem and we dealt with it.
Every time I hear someone say "I don't believe in CC" I just hear "I don't believe that terrorism happens" as the WTC collapses.
Get real.

hetuzozaho

biko wrote: »

https://www.karnataka.com/personalities/saalumarada-thimmakka/

Looks like I've heard of her now thanks to greta!

biko

https://www.karnataka.com/personalities/saalumarada-thimmakka/

Pa ElGrande

Tell me how wrote: »

That's a BS argument given some of the most fundamental elements of science are testing, measuring, recording, analysing, comparing and crucially, documenting for further review and critical analysis.

For your penance go and confess your climate sins.

Pa ElGrande

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I have read and believe the science. That's all. I don't care about Greta. Comparing what she says to the word of God is a transparent and trite attempt at deflection.

But look, some people are frightened by the reality of climate change and convince themselves that it's a conspiracy by the left to take over people's minds and that this child is a dangerous threat. That's plain stupid and cowardly. Unfortunately, you can't fix stupid and you can't fix cowardice.

You said "believe the science". Do you really? or is it make believe masquerading as science? Having read the literature you will know what the a disconnect between what Greta and the scientists say is and you will also realise that she did not come to her point of view listening to scientists on the subject of climate change.

Some people are frightened of the monsters under the bed when you put them to bed. It is your duty to allay their fears and calm them. Greta has a history of self harm and if your child is influenced by her they may seek to emulate her, this is why you should care about Greta and in particular what your own children are learning by her example and what are you setting them up for if they start believing this end of times narrative.

Self-Harm Versus the Greater Good: Greta Thunberg and Child Activism

But adults have a moral obligation to remain adults in relation to children and not be carried away by emotions, icons, selfies, images of mass protests, or messianic or revolutionary dreams.

source

Tell me how

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

You might ask yourself that same question and you may comfort yourself with the thought that your ignorance is bliss uncritically accepting that Greta is pushing catastrophic anthropogenic global warming and intoning we should listen to the science. When the prophet (peace be upon her) reveals that we should "Unite behind the science" its in the same religious context as "Unite behind the word of God".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDaRYro2Xcw

That's a BS argument given some of the most fundamental elements of science are testing, measuring, recording, analysing, comparing and crucially, documenting for further review and critical analysis.

vriesmays

BarryD2 wrote: »

Anyway, what this is all about is that we are simply being softened up for the upcoming hike in carbon taxes. Not much more that that.

Will it change purchasing habits? No, not in our case anyway as you just simply have to drive a fair bit when you live in rural Ireland. And yes, we also burn a certain amount of (smokeless) coal to keep warm. So these increases will just add to the annual bills.

There are over 60 countries in the world with higher carbon emissions than Ireland.
Idiots next month will be casually walking by Chinese embassy to get to the city centre to protest for a week.

KyussB

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

You might also look into the organisations that have taken control of your offspring and what they intend to do, lets start with globalclimatestrike.net which is a front for 350.org.

:rolleyes: Oh look, a Libertarian constantly citing Koch-funded/oil-oligarch think-tanks, is trying to point out an alleged conflict of interest!

These Libertarians are among the most well known propagandists on the Internet, next in line perhaps to Pro-Israel trolls that screech "Anti-Semitism!" all the time - with these guys screeching "Communism!" all the time instead.

Professor Moriarty

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

You might ask yourself that same question and you may comfort yourself with the thought that your ignorance is bliss uncritically accepting that Greta is pushing catastrophic anthropogenic global warming and intoning we should listen to the science. When the prophet (peace be upon her) reveals that we should "Unite behind the science" its in the same religious context as "Unite behind the word of God".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDaRYro2Xcw

I have read and believe the science. That's all. I don't care about Greta. Comparing what she says to the word of God is a transparent and trite attempt at deflection.

But look, some people are frightened by the reality of climate change and convince themselves that it's a conspiracy by the left to take over people's minds and that this child is a dangerous threat. That's plain stupid and cowardly. Unfortunately, you can't fix stupid and you can't fix cowardice.

Pa ElGrande

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's fake news or it's a conspiracy? Okay. Ignorance is bliss.

You might ask yourself that same question and you may comfort yourself with the thought that your ignorance is bliss uncritically accepting that Greta is pushing catastrophic anthropogenic global warming and intoning we should listen to the science. When the prophet (peace be upon her) reveals that we should "Unite behind the science" its in the same religious context as "Unite behind the word of God".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDaRYro2Xcw

KyussB

These posters are equating macroeconomics as a whole with Communism, now...

That's pretty much making clear that they want to shut down discussion of practically all economic issues (which are central to resolving climate change) - they were even threatening to abuse the 'report post' system to achieve this, previously.

Professor Moriarty

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

They are biding their time stocking up on ammo, food and gold ready to fight off the zombies from the coming climate apocalypse. Otherwise they are just getting on with their lives as best as possible while trying to workaround and resist the increased taxation and restrictions of freedom of thought and movement imposed by the left using the cover of a "climate emergency".

It's fake news or it's a conspiracy? Okay. Ignorance is bliss.

Wanderer78

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

They are biding their time stocking up on ammo, food and gold ready to fight off the zombies from the coming climate apocalypse. Otherwise they are just getting on with their lives as best as possible while trying to workaround and resist the increased taxation and restrictions of freedom of thought and movement imposed by the left using the cover of a "climate emergency".

are the loony left trying to control our thoughts now?