Pa ElGrande wrote: » [...]
Veritas Libertas wrote: The Green New Deal definitely stinks of the old socialist con-game. Other people’s money.
Wanderer78 wrote: » Veritas Libertas wrote: The Green New Deal definitely stinks of the old socialist con-game. Other people’s money. But the green new deal is not advocating the use of other people's money as proponents of it realise our modern monetary systems don't use other people's money, that money is simply created with bonds via central banks and other financial institutions
SafeSurfer wrote: » Can’t argue with that. Worked in Zimbabwe.
SafeSurfer wrote: Can’t argue with that. Worked in Zimbabwe.
Wanderer78 wrote: » Oh ffs, large amounts of money creation can be done without creating hyper-inflation situations, central banks around the world have been printing money in the trillions since the crash in the form of qe, as you can see, we re currently living in our global liquidity meltdown, oh wait, no we re not, so much so, central banks are slowly moving towards negative rates, to try cause inflation
suicide_circus wrote: » solving the "climate crisis" is incompatible with democracy.
Veritas Libertas wrote: » The Green New Deal definitely stinks of the old socialist con-game. Other people’s money. The term “insane” understates how bad the ideas presented in this resolution really are.
Pa ElGrande wrote: » A woman originally from Belarus living here in Ireland once told me about a visit home to see her grandmother, whose complaint was in the Soviet days they had lots of money but there was nothing to buy in the shops, now the shelves are full but she can't buy much. Under magic money theory if the government determines what should be regarded as money and what its value is, this also means that the government dictates the rate of exchanges between money and goods and services within an economy (i.e. price controls). This means that prices are set by the government and bypasses market forces. Well, as the anecdote above shows chaos results and within the Soviet system that led to inefficient use of resources followed by economic impoverishment.
hetuzozaho wrote: » Looks like some great turn outs again yesterday. The videos showing cities full of people and no cars are nice to watch! More of that please
The climate crisis is an emergency – we want everyone to start acting like it. We demand climate justice for everyone. Our hotter planet is already hurting millions of people. If we don’t act now to transition fairly and swiftly away from fossil fuels to 100% renewable energy for all, the injustice of the climate crisis will only get worse. We need to act right now to stop burning fossil fuels and ensure a rapid energy revolution with equity, reparations and climate justice at its heart.source
Wanderer78 wrote: » . . . .please show me where the inflation is, oh and let central banks know, as they are also looking for this inflation! no need for magical money trees, our money creation systems are already rather magical as they are if people are pissed with low returns from their deposits, wait till negative rates are introduced!
Pa ElGrande wrote: » You might also look into the organisations that have taken control of your offspring and what they intend to do, lets start with globalclimatestrike.net which is a front for 350.org. Already, then, this isn't just about saving the planet - it's about 'Climate Justice'. What exactly do they mean by reparations, how is this calculated and who exactly will be paying? Then follow the link that defines "Climate Justice" you get taken to the People's Demands for COP24 held in Katowice, Poland last year to which Greta gave a speech to an empty room. The people making the demands in this case are a coalition of left-wing global activist groups. How many people are told about this? Are their parents aware? What else do these groups want?
PostWoke wrote: » Pampered? Have you ever tried protesting? She's given up a lot, even with all the middle aged men baying for her head on a spike. Didn't she sail across a bloody massive ocean? Pampered? You just sound jealous that she's accomplished something. As to your point about skipping school, it makes me imagine a class of kids sitting dutifully in a shell of a school building in the middle of a post-apocalyptic desert :pac: Get your priorities straight. Hundreds of Irish kids go on the mitch every day and just go knacker drinking.
jackboy wrote: » What do you think most of the protesting students did for the weekend after the school strike. Most of them consumed like demons and continue to do so. Greta is traveling around with a team of handlers consuming resources unnecessarily. Her UN speech could have been done at home with modern technology. She is all for other people to give up economic growth and live frugally but not her or her family. Did she ask her mother to stop her book being published, which will destroy many trees?
Pa ElGrande wrote: » You might also look into the organisations that have taken control of your offspring ...
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Nothing stopping right wing climate change activists agitating for change. Haven't come across too many though. Dunno why that is. Maybe most right wingers are too stupid, too scared or too uneducated to grasp reality.
weldoninhio wrote: » Was on Book Depository yesterday and saw that Greta has her own book out.
Pa ElGrande wrote: » They are biding their time stocking up on ammo, food and gold ready to fight off the zombies from the coming climate apocalypse. Otherwise they are just getting on with their lives as best as possible while trying to workaround and resist the increased taxation and restrictions of freedom of thought and movement imposed by the left using the cover of a "climate emergency".
Professor Moriarty wrote: » It's fake news or it's a conspiracy? Okay. Ignorance is bliss.
Pa ElGrande wrote: » You might ask yourself that same question and you may comfort yourself with the thought that your ignorance is bliss uncritically accepting that Greta is pushing catastrophic anthropogenic global warming and intoning we should listen to the science. When the prophet (peace be upon her) reveals that we should "Unite behind the science" its in the same religious context as "Unite behind the word of God". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDaRYro2Xcw
Pa ElGrande wrote: » You might also look into the organisations that have taken control of your offspring and what they intend to do, lets start with globalclimatestrike.net which is a front for 350.org.
BarryD2 wrote: » Anyway, what this is all about is that we are simply being softened up for the upcoming hike in carbon taxes. Not much more that that. Will it change purchasing habits? No, not in our case anyway as you just simply have to drive a fair bit when you live in rural Ireland. And yes, we also burn a certain amount of (smokeless) coal to keep warm. So these increases will just add to the annual bills.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I have read and believe the science. That's all. I don't care about Greta. Comparing what she says to the word of God is a transparent and trite attempt at deflection. But look, some people are frightened by the reality of climate change and convince themselves that it's a conspiracy by the left to take over people's minds and that this child is a dangerous threat. That's plain stupid and cowardly. Unfortunately, you can't fix stupid and you can't fix cowardice.
But adults have a moral obligation to remain adults in relation to children and not be carried away by emotions, icons, selfies, images of mass protests, or messianic or revolutionary dreams.source
Tell me how wrote: » That's a BS argument given some of the most fundamental elements of science are testing, measuring, recording, analysing, comparing and crucially, documenting for further review and critical analysis.
