Rjd2 wrote: » The issue with the discourse in Brexit neither side will call out their sides shocking behavior. Cox was terrible yesterday and got criticised rightfully but Bary Sherman roaring all Gammon esque was terrible. He was playing to the crowd and that really set up what was a volatile day. Then the reaction to Boris who was rightfully called out. David Lammy sulking about it a man who called the ERG Nazis, and Bercow a man who allegedly bullied a women into quitting her job telling MPS they need to do better. :rolleyes: Its ****ed now really, Leavers have been called Nazis, fascists while remainers have been called remoaners, snowflakes etc. The Lib Dem who made the proposal that they would vote for the Boris deal if they could take it to the country was a rare moment of common sense and non grand standing last night, obviously shot down instantly.
Tell me how wrote: » I've said it already. I see what is going on and how it is being done has Steve Bannon's fingerprints all over it. Maybe I'm being too cynical but the similarities between the invective in the US and here and the relationships amongst some of the key people involved makes me think it is extremely likely to be the case. Maybe it just goes as far as cummings seeing how Trump succeeded and deciding to copy that playbook but I wouldn't be surprised if there is even more direct contact.
GM228 wrote: » Rumours are Johnson will attempt to use Part 2 of the Contingencies Act 2004 for "emergency" powers to make the Benn Act null and void. He really does seem intent on trying anything to crash out.
20silkcut wrote: » That lib dem video of them singing about Tony Blair and the bollocks to brexit slogan doesn’t do them any favors either. Politics in Britain is very crude at the moment.
An Order of Council (not to be confused with an Order in Council) is a specific way of creating a law without the personal approval of the Queen. Instead, members of the Privy Council, former and current Senior parliamentarians and members of the civil service, can pass laws and bypass the monarch.
A Dub in Glasgo wrote: » So laws to disable parliamentary laws can be created without parliament say so by advisors to the Monarch who can decide what laws the Monarch can personally approve or not... funny kind of democracy the UK has
Enzokk wrote: » So according to David Allen Green this will be hard to do and could easily be stopped by either parliament or the courts. Classic Dom I guess.
J Mysterio wrote: » Seems it has all operated on a 'gentlemans agreement'. Strip away the gentlemen (and women) and... you're screwed?
Tell me how wrote: » Boris Johnson's sister discussing his motivations for using the language he has been using.https://twitter.com/LittleGravitas/status/1177209400332881921 His. sister. This after his brother resigned from his government.
prawnsambo wrote: » It's their so-called constitution again. It's a mess of law piled on top of convention and precedent with loopholes and contradictions everywhere. And it only works by consent (i.e. convention).
Quin_Dub wrote: » You can see both in the UK and the US that a lot of what people assumed were laws and regulations around the Governments are actually just traditions and behavioural norms. They are now discovering the damage that can occur when you have people in power that do not conform to those traditions and behaviours..
Enter name here wrote: » Then the whole thing would be over by now.
Enter name here wrote: » Correct, Bercow should have been removed from the chair the 1st time he bent the rules and showed his bias. Then the whole thing would be over by now.
Strazdas wrote: » Cameron blew the whole thing wide open by pitching a referendum against the Parliament and claiming the referendum was binding and that it could never be reversed by anyone.
A Dub in Glasgo wrote: » Not sure I see your optimism If Labour still perform broadly as before and Lib Dems only gaining 10-15 seats, they will still be behind. The only way it can work is if the SNP are in the equation and they will inisist on a section 30 order to hold an independence referendum in Scotland (not the same thing as independence for Scotland). Swinson has performed verbal gymnastics about mandates and second referendums where most folk see her hypocrisy. she may even lose her seat
Rjd2 wrote: » Swinson said her kid got abuse the other day so can understand why that is her biggest issue but it would be nice for her and other lib dems to call it out. Happens at every Lib Dem convention and its not a good look for the supposed adults in the room. On Lammy regarding the ERG, they are crap, but surely he can use less offensive language? Johnson yesterday could have said surrender bill once and not repeated it. Traitor and betrayals other words that are horribly overused also. Should say Thornberry referring to the lib dems as the taliban is another example. Its pointless to say which side is worse as so many examples, but its pretty brutal right now. I hope I am wrong, but I could see an MP getting attacked soon and would not be shocked if it was a leaver even though obviously the type who carry out such attacks are more likely to lean towards leave. The Philips incident obviously highlighting it. And then this,,I don't like Caulfield, but that is pretty ****. Would hate to be a female MP leave or remain right now.https://twitter.com/mariacaulfield/status/1177246605445124098
Dominic Cummings said it was “not surprising that some people are angry” about the delay to Brexit and found it “odd” that MPs who caused the impasse were taken aback by it. Mr Cummings, who masterminded the Vote Leave campaign before being hired as Mr Johnson’s Downing Street strategist, said he and others who fought for Leave “are enjoying this”, adding: “We are going to win, we are going to leave, don’t worry.”
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Cummings quoted in tomorrow's Telegraph...
VinLieger wrote: » Apparently Labour, Lib Dems and SNP are planning a bill to change the voting age to 16+ for next week
