Forty Seven wrote: » I know, it's not as easy getting out as it was getting in. My post about leverage. He's not trying to force the eu. He's forcing parliament to move. They have, now he just needs some kind of differently worded deal and they will either pass it or he gets an election. That's what I see. Hes trying to break a stalemate. You have to offer or threaten something different. I'm bowing out. My partner is going in to be induced tomorrow and I have a lot to do. I will be back with another child in tow in a couple of days. To answer the question of whether I'll be first over the top. No. I'm too old but I have children who might be expected. That's why I am more informed than most in this matter, that's also why I come here. You guys are very good with the facts. Regards.
Forty Seven wrote: » My post about leverage. He's not trying to force the eu. He's forcing parliament to move. They have, now he just needs some kind of differently worded deal and they will either pass it or he gets an election. That's what I see. Hes trying to break a stalemate. You have to offer or threaten something different.
CelticRambler wrote: » Uhhhh ... 70 years? There were more than three decades of violence and war within the territory of United Kingdom of GB&NI alone in the last 70 years.
Peregrinus wrote: » "All this talk of death threats is humbug; just do as I say and you won't receive death threats any more." is the gist of what he said. Going on to claim that "the best way to honor the memory of Jo Cox would be to get Brexit done" is just the cherry of personal vitriol on top of the sundae of fascism.
AllForIt wrote: » Since we're doing read between the lines, then what Paula Sheiff said was "Boris - the language you use is inciting people to make death threats and even carry them out so if there are any further murders you'll be personally responsible". It was a slimy opportunistic comment by Sheiff and presenting it in stereotypical hysterical fashion per her gender didn't do anything to create an air of authenticity to her comment. Cuz you know they're good at faking it. I hear Joe's brother ain't to pleased with her name being dragged into the BREXIT debate. I don't believe it's the first time that's been done either - perhaps Labour though they were onto a winner doing so. Pull at the ole heart strings. For one side of the Brexit argument to stand up in the HoC and chastise the other side for their language after what we've witnessed over the last 3 years is laughable. Clearly done to create the illusion of one side occupying the moral high ground. Pathetic, in that if they think it's going sway that public in their direction - no it won't. The public just see more of the same the minute parliament was recalled. Glad to see BJ didn't 'melt' under the onslaught. Sorry, that's the only ice cream analogy I can think of.
Water John wrote: » I think its best to refer you to the criticism of Alexander Johnson by his own sister Rachel. She is absolutely appalled and says so publicly.
lawred2 wrote: » what a uniquely British interpretation of peace... ignoring a British civil war on the island of Ireland for near half of those '70 years of peace'
FrancieBrady wrote: » Are there any motions down for today? Or just more back and forth.
20silkcut wrote: » Crikey I’m not British. I ignored the Balkan conflict as well. There is no doubt that the last 70 years in Europe were a lot more peaceful than the previous 70 and indeed for 1000 + years before that. A lot of that is because of the EU. I’m just wondering could that period be coming to an end. That is all. I’m not taking sides with one poster or another.
Bannasidhe wrote: » Bizarrely, I think the GUBU going on the the UK might actually help prolong the continental peace we have enjoyed under the EU for a bit longer. Reason being those who were calling to leave in other EU states appear to have shut up. Looking at Brexit from the outside all but the most fervent nationalists will see that it's not looking like a good thing for a country to do. Even Brexit's most ardent supporter the Right Hon R Mogg has stated it may be 50 years before the 'benefits' are felt - which is longer than the UK has actually been in the EU.
biker16 wrote: » first time poster,long time lurker the only logical way out of this mess has and always been the northern ireland only backstop...there is no other way of delivering brexit without dropping major red lines(not really a runner for boris)..it looks like its all falling apart for johnston...he wont get an election before the 31st now and will be forced to ask for an extension(which he said he would never do) so with the pressure that johnston was trying to put on parliament being flipped back onto himself is it possible that johnston will drop some red lines or do something with a northern irish only backstop to save his own backside at this rate...otherwise whats left?resign or get pushed out one or the other and johnston would do anything to avoid this humiliation...this is my unqualified view obviously!would anyone have any other views on how boris can make boris great again also to add obviously from the european side there will be no deal offered better than theresa mays deal so that rules out movement on the EU side...
MadYaker wrote: » It seems the easiest way forward and I’m not sure why it hasn’t been announced thats it’s going to happen. What use are the DUPs votes to Johnson’s government in the current situation?
20silkcut wrote: » The next parliament could be as hung as this one. The DUP could still be relevant after the next election.
Itssoeasy wrote: » Bus Eireann and Dublin bus are going to have to find a new supplier of buses it seems.
quokula wrote: » The problem is that the backstop is just an excuse for the hardliners to vote against any deal - they'll find something else to cling onto if that was no longer there. In addition to that the vast majority of those voting against the WA (i.e. the opposition) either did so because they've been holding out for a second referendum, or wanted May to drop her red lines and go for a closer relationship and a customs union.
20silkcut wrote: » If that’s the case brexit will never happen.
A Dub in Glasgo wrote: » We are almost at the point where it is not possible to hold an election before 31 October. The case in Scotland for an official to p.p the extension request letter should Johnson refuse to sign is still to be heard in the courts
FrancieBrady wrote: » If that wins, the UK's political system has to be consigned to the bin. How could that be a workable situation? Government would be rendered redundant surely?
