Water John wrote: » The real Boris stood up last night. This is not the bumbling simpleton image he carefully cultivated, this was Boris showing his bare teeth. It wasn't a pleasant sight. Andrew Marr alerted us some years ago to that. He knew the real Boris and said to his face, 'you are a nasty man, aren't you?' Any one who votes with him now, owns him and what he stands for. Glad Clarke and Harman are using their status to deal with this. Bercow pointedly tried to rein in Boris last night but Boris didn't care. He behaved like a cornered rat.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Forty Seven wrote: » The parliament is not the country. An election or another referendum will show that hence the reason we are getting neither. So will you be voting Remain again of there is an election or Ref?
Forty Seven wrote: » The parliament is not the country. An election or another referendum will show that hence the reason we are getting neither.
Forty Seven wrote: » My Mp is a safe SNP so can't change anything there. I will likely spoil my vote as I don't support independence. I will be more attentive to a referendum. I doubt we will see such simplistic options if one is offered. I will vote for what I think is best for the country. I would like a compromise but have yet to see one. If none is offerred I will have to vote remain. Then I will start digging a bunker.
Forty Seven wrote: » I lived in Galway 15 years, Poland for 2 and my children are distributed between Ireland, Spain and one will be born tomorrow here in the UK. I own land in Poland and a house in Ireland. I'd be mad to have voted to leave.
Forty Seven wrote: » I voted remain.
20silkcut wrote: » The frightening thought is that we have had 70 years of peace in the worlds most historically violent war torn continent. Maybe it’s an unnaturally long period.
The EU side has severe doubts about the British government’s desire and ability to 1) reach a deal, and 2) pass a deal through parliament. Johnson’s pronouncements that both sides know the shape of a deal – Northern Ireland-only backstop, all-Ireland sanitary and phytosanitary zone, alternative arrangements to manage the Border, a consent role for Stormont – ignore the fact that this is miles away from the existing withdrawal agreement.
The EU believes that Johnson’s political authority has been severely damaged by Tuesday’s supreme court judgment that his five-week suspension of parliament was “unlawful”.This will be exacerbated by the scenes in the House of Commons last night. This makes it harder - if not impossible - for him to pull together a coalition in favour of a deal that would offend Tory Brexiteers and Labour Remainers (many of whom are facing reselection) to pass a new deal in the Commons. In fact, the draining of his political capital constrains his options generally and makes it probably impossible for him to employ devices to get around the Benn Act, which seeks to block a no-deal. All this, it is now widely believed, makes an extension more likely, whether it is Johnson who asks for it or not.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Forty Seven wrote: » My Mp is a safe SNP so can't change anything there. I will likely spoil my vote as I don't support independence. I will be more attentive to a referendum. I doubt we will see such simplistic options if one is offered. I will vote for what I think is best for the country. I would like a compromise but have yet to see one. If none is offerred I will have to vote remain. Then I will start digging a bunker. But meanwhile you are going to trenchantly support a PM who will not compromise? I get it.
Forty Seven wrote: » My belief is that he is trying to force the issue. Keeping no deal as a negotiating tool makes perfect sense. Parliament needed a wake up and he put them on their first snooze. Now we wait and see what happens.
Forty Seven wrote: » My belief is that he is trying to force the issue.
Forty Seven wrote: » Really? You think this is going to end without bloodshed? We are on about chapter 5 of the future bestseller 'WW3 a complete history'. Chapter 1 was the financial crisis. We are at the polarisation phase and mistrust of political systems. Soon will come the strong leaders.
Forty Seven wrote: My belief is that he is trying to force the issue. Keeping no deal as a negotiating tool makes perfect sense. Parliament needed a wake up and he put them on their first snooze. Now we wait and see what happens.
Forty Seven wrote: » I'd be mad to have voted to leave.
20silkcut wrote: » The frightening thought is that we have had 70 years of peace in the worlds most historically violent war torn continent.
ZX7R wrote: » Forty Seven wrote: » I lived in Galway 15 years, Poland for 2 and my children are distributed between Ireland, Spain and one will be born tomorrow here in the UK. I own land in Poland and a house in Ireland. I'd be mad to have voted to leave. Unless you are a polish citizen or married to a polish person the maths don't add up for owning land in Poland
Forty Seven wrote: » My ex is polish. The land was bought together, currently before Irish family court. It's our own personal European nightmare. Spread across 3 countries and zero consensus.
CelticRambler wrote: » Uhhhh ... 70 years? There were more than three decades of violence and war within the territory of United Kingdom of GB&NI alone in the last 70 years.
lawred2 wrote: » what a uniquely British interpretation of peace... ignoring a British civil war on the island of Ireland for near half of those '70 years of peace'
prawnsambo wrote: » To be fair, I don't think he was talking about 'local' wars, otherwise we'd be (and should) include the Balkans as well.
lawred2 wrote: » Well NATO got involved in the Balkans so that doesn't even fit in to a 'local' war category.
ZX7R wrote: » Forty Seven wrote: » My ex is polish. The land was bought together, currently before Irish family court. It's our own personal European nightmare. Spread across 3 countries and zero consensus. Sorry to hear, Best of luck with that, just a heads up, polish courts have the last say in polish land rights,it won't matter what Irish courts rule
Forty Seven wrote: » I know, it's not as easy getting out as it was getting in. My post about leverage. He's not trying to force the eu. He's forcing parliament to move. They have, now he just needs some kind of differently worded deal and they will either pass it or he gets an election. That's what I see. Hes trying to break a stalemate. You have to offer or threaten something different. I'm bowing out. My partner is going in to be induced tomorrow and I have a lot to do. I will be back with another child in tow in a couple of days. To answer the question of whether I'll be first over the top. No. I'm too old but I have children who might be expected. That's why I am more informed than most in this matter, that's also why I come here. You guys are very good with the facts. Regards.
