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Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

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This is the eleventh incarnation of our Brexit discussion thread,

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Enzokk

Tell me how wrote: »

A final insult as he leaves the HoC despite Bercow telling him it would be courtesy to stay as the upcoming points of order would relate to the topics just having been discussed.

Here is a video of Johnson just walking out and not bothering. He is vile, I don't care how much fun he is in a social setting, he shouldn't be in charge of lunch nevermind the country.

https://twitter.com/MonarchyUK/status/1176961466244784130?s=20

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

There appear to be no consequences for anything said in parliament by anyone, especially the PM. And some of the things he said tonight were totally disgraceful in anyone's language, whether it was designed to provoke the opposition into VONC or not. Dreadful stuff.

It's all moot if parliamentary privilege allows the PM to say what he likes without sanction though. NEXT!

Just don't say someone lied in the HoC though, that is really bad. But invite hatred and violence by calling a piece of legislation the surrender bill which may lead to physical violence? That is fine, but don't call the stupid liar a liar.

Spanish Eyes

maynooth_rules wrote: »

Will it though. His remaining supporters have Brexit as a religion. Nothing, absolutly nothing, will cause those conservatives to turn against him

Indeed, he is playing to his audience alright, the Brexit Party hasn't been heard of at all since he became PM. It's all working out well for him so isn't it?

devnull

More fireworks tomorrow.

There's going to be a proposal to adjourn parliament for a recess.
AND
A debate on the principles or democracy and the rights of the electorate is going to be held.
(basically a vehicle to further the People vs Parliament and Judges war, I'd say)

sdanseo

SeaBreezes wrote: »

incredibly grateful for our Irish politicians..

Most Irish political parties are born of the ilk that dragged themselves from the ashes after the Irish Civil War.

We had just won independence rather easily in what was a pretty simple affair. We played "dirty" (guerilla tactics) and the English quite sensibly decided to give up the thorn in their side. Thankfully.
The civil war was itself caused by division between impetuous Republicans wanting to have their cake and eat it at the same time; and disjointed opposition who had no idea how to run a country. It's actually a disturbingly similar scenario to Tory vs Labour at the moment.

We are watching the nicely-manicured fascade of politicial paegentry fall apart replaced by the bare manifestation of human nature at its most visceral. When one person steps outside the boundaries society had set itself to keep order and control, many more follow, and thus begins a chain reaction. The commons is that example, it's like Lord of the Flies in there at the moment.

It's fascinating to watch, but we should all be terrified, because if this rhetoric keeps snowballing in the world's most influential countries we are looking at another world war.

Enzokk

devnull wrote: »

More fireworks tomorrow.

There's going to be a proposal to adjourn parliament for a recess.
AND
A debate on the principles or democracy and the rights of the electorate is going to be held.
(basically a vehicle to further the People vs Parliament and Judges war, I'd say)

Those in opposition should vote against recess. If the Tories want to allow Johnson to carry on as he is don't give them their recess. Let them travel up and down from Manchester if they want to have their conference. It would be appropriate punishment for proroguing parliament by deception.

Kermit.de.frog

devnull wrote: »

More fireworks tomorrow.

There's going to be a proposal to adjourn parliament for a recess.

Surely after that spectacle today the opposition won't be indulging this now?

Disturbing behaviour all round on the government benches really.

Enter name here

It's almost comical watching posters and moderators here talk like they are some sort of majority, luckily just like the UK and the remoaners you are the minority and after the next GE it will all become evident.

Spanish Eyes

Enzokk wrote: »

Just don't say someone lied in the HoC though, that is really bad. But invite hatred and violence by calling a piece of legislation the surrender bill which may lead to physical violence? That is fine, but don't call the stupid liar a liar.

Agreed. I think there was an intervention by the Speaker when Ian Blackford was speaking. No mention of lies allowed against any member in the Chamber.

Johnson is living the dream so.

Spanish Eyes

Enter name here wrote: »

It's almost comical watching posters and moderators here talk like they are some sort of majority, luckily just like the UK and the remoaners you are the minority and after the next GE it will all become evident.

Some of us recognise despicable behaviour in parliament when we see it in action via the PM especially.

Other than that, what will be will be. But decent behaviour and observation of decorum should be paramount in the Chamber. But it certainly was not tonight. That's what most people are appalled about.

VinLieger

Its quite obvious what the strategy is right now, goad the opposition into an election and blind then with indigantion to make them forget about no deal

Enter name here

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Some of us recognise despicable behaviour in parliament when we see it in action via the PM especially.

Other than that, what will be will be. But decent behaviour and observation of decorum should be paramount in the Chamber. But it certainly was not tonight. That's what most people are appalled about.

Then maybe the wishes of the majority should have been respected first. Respect is earned not given.

SeaBreezes

Enter name here wrote: »

It's almost comical watching posters and moderators here talk like they are some sort of majority, luckily just like the UK and the remoaners you are the minority and after the next GE it will all become evident.

Even luckier we are all irish (this is an Irish thread). And it won't affect us as we are staying in the EU.

After everything those sociopaths have done, if people still choose them, well, there's no cure for stupid..

Enter name here

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Even luckier we are all irish (this is an Irish thread). And it won't affect us as we are staying in the EU.

After everything those sociopaths have done, if people still choose them, well, there's no cure for stupid..

Ignorance is bliss if you think this isn't affecting us.

FrancieBrady

Enter name here wrote: »

Then maybe the wishes of the majority should have been respected first. Respect is earned not given.

They were respected, Art 50 was invoked and a Deal done.

Because nobody thought to ask what type of deal people wanted, if indeed they wanted a deal at all, the UK is tearing itself apart in front of us.

mikewebb1

VinLieger wrote: »

Its quite obvious what the strategy is right now, goad the opposition into an election and blind then with indigantion to make them forget about no deal

I haven't followed anything today yet but unless something extraordinary has happened

Why would he get a quick election or no deal brexit against entrenched opponents

prawnsambo

Enter name here wrote: »

Then maybe the wishes of the majority should have been respected first. Respect is earned not given.

This nonsense always goes unchallenged, but here goes.

The 17.4 million are entitled to nothing. Absolutely sweet Fanny Adams. They are completely dependant on government coming up with something. But the government went from majority to effective minority and didn't have the humility to try and get a cross party agreement first.

That's where your brexit is and that's where it will stay. And another GE will only make it more deadlocked. Because guess what? Brexit is a monumentally stupid idea. But it's pretty much fecked up the UK and will lead to its eventual break up. And poison political discourse for years.

Enter name here

prawnsambo wrote: »

This nonsense always goes unchallenged, but here goes.

The 17.4 million are entitled to nothing. Absolutely sweet Fanny Adams. They are completely dependant on government coming up with something. But the government went from majority to effective minority and didn't have the humility to try and get a cross party agreement first.

That's where your brexit is and that's where it will stay. And another GE will only make it more deadlocked. Because guess what? Brexit is a monumentally stupid idea. But it's pretty much fecked up the UK and will lead to its break up.

Damn did you see those pigs flying earlier this evening also? I thought I was the only one.

Seriously the EU is the monumentally stupid idea, who in there right mind would give Germany oops meant EU monetary and fiscal policy control over their own sovereignty.

Strazdas

Enter name here wrote: »

It's almost comical watching posters and moderators here talk like they are some sort of majority, luckily just like the UK and the remoaners you are the minority and after the next GE it will all become evident.

I said in a post a short while ago there is no majority for anything among British people (and that includes remain.....opinions are all over the place).

Enzokk

Enter name here wrote: »

Then maybe the wishes of the majority should have been respected first. Respect is earned not given.

Damn right respect is earned and when the Leave side broke the electoral laws during the referendum? What about the respect then?

Or how about respecting someone's right to change their mind when new information comes to light? But those concepts may be too much for some to understand, I mean if it is hard for private school and Oxbridge University graduates to grasp, what of the ordinary man on the street.

Professor Moriarty

Enter name here wrote: »

Damn did you see those pigs flying earlier this evening also? I thought I was the only one.

Seriously the EU is the monumentally stupid idea, who in there right mind would give Germany oops meant EU monetary and fiscal policy control over their own sovereignty.

It's made Ireland richer and its society better.

A Dub in Glasgo

Enter name here wrote: »

Then maybe the wishes of the majority should have been respected first. Respect is earned not given.

Article 50 was invoked and a WA negotiated by the UK Government

mikewebb1

Strazdas wrote: »

I said in a post a short while ago there is no majority for anything among British people (and that includes remain.....opinions are all over the place).

In fairness that's what happens when you give people a referendum

Truth is the first casualty

Sam Russell

mikewebb1 wrote: »

In fairness that's what happens when you give people a referendum

Truth is the first casualty

I thought Jo Cox was the first casualty.

GM228

Oh dear, if true why do I not feel surprised?

https://twitter.com/IanMurrayMP/status/1176960742718869504?s=19

J Mysterio

Water John wrote: »

The disrespect for Jo Cox really highlighted on ITV News. That will do him a lot of damage.

Completely unacceptable to use her name the way he did. Cox was pro EU and was murdered for it by an English nationalist. This really is a new low for the UK.

lawred2

Water John wrote: »

The disrespect for Jo Cox really highlighted on ITV News. That will do him a lot of damage.

I 100% doubt that. The cult has gone too far.

lawred2

GM228 wrote: »

Oh dear, if true why do I not feel surprised?

https://twitter.com/IanMurrayMP/status/1176960742718869504?s=19

It seems like he can.

briany

J Mysterio wrote: »

Completely unacceptable to use her name the way he did. Cox was pro EU and was murdered for it by an English nationalist. This really is a new low for the UK.

Nothing Boris Johnson says will damage him in the eyes of his followers so long as it's said with a view towards delivering Brexit on the 31st of October. His words about Cox will only heighten antipathy from the other side, but they don't exactly like him as it is.

prawnsambo

J Mysterio wrote: »

Completely unacceptable to use her name the way he did. Cox was pro EU and was murdered for it by an English nationalist. This really is a new low for the UK.

He's behaving like the cornered rat that he is and we really should have expected. He has nowhere to turn, is a PM without a functioning government and hogtied by parliament and the courts. It will get worse. Until he's got rid of. Apparently that could be easier than suspected. Jo Maugham has received advice that a new PM can be appointed by means of humble address. Basically propose an alternative PM and ask for a vote. And if that fails, propose another compromise candidate. Job done.

lawred2

Boris Johnson rewriting the SC decision on Peston right now.

The man is a thoroughbred sociopath.