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Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

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dublinman1990

JC almighty. I have never seen Johnson being as worse as this before. It's absolutely an embarrassment for him to become PM for much longer with this performance. I just want him to leave his job now & get out with having an immediate GE in his sights because I do know now that his own reputation as British PM is mightily f*cked.

Roger_007

boggerman1 wrote: »

What a load of bull and bluster from Johnson.its so farcical to see him begging for an election.Ian Blackford is absolutely brilliant performer

Blackford is by far the most impressive performer in the house..........( in fairness he doesn't have much competition for that accolade).

GM228

Oddly I just can't seem to find the "Surrender Act" anywhere on the Statute books.

After about 20 or 30 mentions someone picked finally picked him up on this, it's now the "Hilary Benn Surrender Act", getting there I suppose.

Enzokk

Anybody thinking Johnson is somehow proper to run the country is kidding themselves. All of those Tory members that voted for him and those MPs that nominated him should hang their heads in shame.

He keeps talking about the Surrender Act for the Benn Act, such a childish thing to do. It is baffling that he allowed to do this, but to say he lied in parliament is somehow something so bad it needs to be quashed. If they cannot move forward in the House of Commons I fear they will tear themselves apart. If you see how questions in Scotland is conducted then those in England can learn some manners.

maebee

He is not able to answer Hilary Benn's question about his new proposals to the EU during the "30 days" (which have passed) that Merkel gave him. I don't think he has answered one question this evening. He just blustered about leaving on October 31st, nothing else.

A Shropshire Lad

Same old arguments from both sides. Makes very little difference whether the Parliament is open or closed, this lot will never reach a concensus on any deal.....

Strazdas

GM228 wrote: »

Oddly I just can't seem to find the "Surrender Act" anywhere on the Statute books.

After about 20 or 30 mentions someone picked finally picked him up on this, it's now the "Hilary Benn Surrender Act", getting there I suppose.

Ian Dunt saying on Twitter that such language is most unbecoming for a PM to be using in Parliament

Kermit.de.frog

He seems to still be of the belief that the EU will do a deal at the October summit.

But Johnson only gets 15 minutes or something to say what he needs to say at the start before he is kicked out of the summit meeting while the rest of the leaders continue their meeting.

Same as Mrs May was given.

Panrich

I see on the Guardian feed that Johnson has:

“On the subject of the Benn Act, he says he will respect the law and come out of the EU on 31 October.”

Surely that is an inherent contradiction if he can’t get a deal over the line in the meantime. I don’t think anyone thinks that’s likely but he never seems to get challenged on this. He said it yesterday too.

Tell me how

Did Johnson's response to Angela Eagle result in audible claims of 'what did he say' from a number of people.
He had seemed to waffle considerably.

Strazdas

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

He seems to still be of the belief that the EU will do a deal at the October summit.

But Johnson only gets 15 minutes or something to say what he needs to say at the start before he is kicked out of the summit meeting while the rest of the leaders continue their meeting.

Same as Mrs May was given.

It seems impossible to imagine that Johnson could come up with something legally watertight and which would meet EU rules in the space of a few days.

It sounds more like something that would be scribbled on the back of a cigarette packet.

devnull

Panrich wrote: »

I see on the Guardian feed that Johnson has:

“On the subject of the Benn Act, he says he will respect the law and come out of the EU on 31 October.”

Probably asked the attorney general if his idea of doing so with an as yet unannounced plan was lawful and he said yes, as we know, the attorney general is always right.

A Dub in Glasgo

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1176925067151904768

VinLieger

Panrich wrote: »

I see on the Guardian feed that Johnson has:

“On the subject of the Benn Act, he says he will respect the law and come out of the EU on 31 October.”

Surely that is an inherent contradiction if he can’t get a deal over the line in the meantime. I don’t think anyone thinks that’s likely but he never seems to get challenged on this. He said it yesterday too.

Ohh hes constantly being challanged on it he just wont elaborate and considering its exactly what his supporters want to hear he suffers no repurcusions

An Ciarraioch

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

He seems to still be of the belief that the EU will do a deal at the October summit.

But Johnson only gets 15 minutes or something to say what he needs to say at the start before he is kicked out of the summit meeting while the rest of the leaders continue their meeting.

Same as Mrs May was given.

And given how EU summits work, he would need a final proposal that meets the requirements of the backstop by today week.

Seth Brundle

mod: several below standard and one liners deleted.
Raise the bar please folks.

Water John

Bad misjudgement on Johnson's part in belittleing the threats to MPs, and his constant use of the phrase 'Surrender Act', is a contempt for the House.
Bercow has implicitly criticised him.

woejus

Water John wrote: »

Bad misjudgement on Johnson's part in belittleing the threats to MPs, and his constant use of the phrase 'Surrender Act', is a contempt for the House.
Bercow has implicitly criticised him.

Can Bercow stop him from referring to it like that?

Such a childish way of going on. Boris is really at the limit of his debating skills here, trying to wind up your opposition in this way is down there with deliberately getting someone's name wrong, to try get a rise out of them. Risible.

edit - Bercow seems to be doing so now

Water John

Bercow did everything but call him out. When he extorted calm on both sides he kept his gaze on the PM.

Roger_007

Is Rees-Mogg still awake? Maybe if a few more members leave he could stretch out and have a proper nap.

Tell me how

Water John wrote: »

Bercow did everything but call him out. When he extorted calm on both sides he kept his gaze on the PM.

I've been listening to it for the last couple of hours and it really has descended in to anarchy. Several MP's seem extremely exasperated with the language of Johnson and it is obvious it is intentional as he keeps going back to the same antagonising phrase.

I'd say the abuse some of them are getting on the street and on social media would make your hair stand up.

Also, to hear him talking about the deal they are going to bring back from the EU is as believable as suggesting Santa Claus is going to bring one 8 weeks later.

Water John

Sylvia Herman speaks well as always. NI should be proud of her.

boggerman1

Anarchy in the hoc tonight,lead by a dangerous cultist cabal of Tories.Britain deserves everything that's coming their way

A Dub in Glasgo

Johnson and his cohorts are basically trolling the HoC

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1176934557586788352

Professor Moriarty

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Johnson and his cohorts are basically trolling the HoC

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1176934557586788352

Much as Trump has sullied the office of POTUS, Johnson is making a mockery of 'Prime Minister'. Craven glove puppet of Cummings and the ERG.

Kermit.de.frog

"The best way to honor Jo Cox is to get Brexit done"

Really Boris? Really!?

What side of the debate was she on?

nc6000

This is just disgraceful carry on from Johnson, he's making a mockery of the valid points raised by other MPs when questioning him. It's just a big game.

Will the UK really return this guy as PM with an overall majority after a general election?

Spanish Eyes

Apart from the SC ruling, there appear to be absolutely NO consequences for behaviours like Johnson's and his trailing rump now.

Imagine sacking 21 of your party MPs, proroguing parliament, lying, deceiving, obfuscating and so on. Unbelievable.

But here we are, and it may only get worse.

Professor Moriarty

nc6000 wrote: »

This is just disgraceful carry on from Johnson, he's making a mockery of the valid points raised by other MPs when questioning him. It's just a big game.

Will the UK really return this guy as PM with an overall majority after a general election?

He might be consolidating the base but he won't be attracting votes. Farage looks like a statesman by comparison.

devnull

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Johnson and his cohorts are basically trolling the HoC

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1176934557586788352

Complete disgrace, the man is acting like fascist dictator and nothing will stop him getting what he wants, be that law, parliament, the courts. Doesn't even seem to care about using Jo Cox's death for his own games.

The guy has no morals and is completely unfit for office. I'm honestly speechless at the moment, nothing would surprise me now, he has no moral standards, none whatsoever.