Tell me how wrote: » Has there ever been a case where someone contested for party leader and lost twice before winning on the 3rd attempt? Gove is definitely streets ahead of Johnson, Davis, Raab, McVeigh, Javid, Leadsom in terms of mental dexterity and oration. Not saying what he is saying makes sense or is factual or will build confidence but he does sound like he knows what he is talking about.
BarryD2 wrote: » Yes, but we don't really have any ideas either. Other than them having another referendum and choosing to stay in. There's a lot of talk of division but how much of that is just hype and talk? Even if you judged by street protests, there were massive Remain crowds on the streets of London back in March, whilst the Leave marchers were relatively tiny in number. With a bit of leadership, I think Remain would be carried easily with a significant majority. But maybe that's just wishful thinking.
BarryD2 wrote: » Yes, but we don't really have any ideas either. Other than them having another referendum and choosing to stay in.
Imreoir2 wrote: » I think there would be an energisation of the leave base should a second referendum be brought forward.
briany wrote: » Nigel Farage hinting that a move to the U.S. is on the cards if and when Brexit is delivered. I think he should be persuaded to stay and really bask in his handiwork. Crowds carrying him through the streets, that sort of thing.
In the same interview the Brexiteer also slammed Remainer MPs like Chuka Umunna for switching parties. "How these guys have any legitimacy I do not know. Chuka Umunna changed once, changed again." The Brexit Party leader himself has previously switched between the Tories, UKIP and then eventually Brexit Party, having also backed the Green Party at one point in the 80s.
Joe_ Public wrote: » Maybe the vote itself is the easy part, its getting there that could be the tricky part. Maybe the PM will facilitate it by bringing back a fudged deal with a PV tagged on and its all hunky dory in double quick time. But somehow i dont see it happening like that. Instead it drags on, there'll be an enormous bunfight about how the referendum is framed, very possibly ending up in the courts, and unless there's a credible leave option offered, as labour keep insisting to general derision, i can only see it being problematic. Dominic Grieve thinks there should be a no deal option offered, but not sure about that myself, dont think that works.
Memnoch wrote: » He has not played into their hands at all. It is just relentless propaganda from a determinedly united establishment to stop him from taking any real action on wealth inequality and closing tax loopholes.
briany wrote: » It's simple enough. - 3 options on the ballot. No Deal, Deal (if there is one), Remain - Voters write a number beside each in order of preference, with 1 being highest and 3 being lowest. - Whichever option gets the least 1s has votes redistributed among the other two options - Ballots which aren't fully filled-out are null and void. I mean, I know the UK voting public doesn't exactly do complexity, but I'm confident that even they, with a little teaching and patience, could master this format and deliver a vote that more wholly represents the wishes of the voting public.
LeinsterDub wrote: » https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1176833382174642176 Looks like the opposition is going to force Johnson's hand . It makes sense , move the request forward , force Johnson to ask for it , then call the GE
Joe_ Public wrote: » In theory, it's simple enough alright, but from following all this for past couple of years i find myself wary of anything that looks simple on paper. If you provide no deal, how then do you deal with a parliament that may not be willing to implement it? Do you make the referendum legally binding? I'm for the whole idea in principle, just dont think its straightforward to get right. Which is why i'm willing to give labour some credit for its approach, it at least acknowledges the complexities of it that i dont believe others do.
maebee wrote: » I predict that these two charlatans will be toast by the end of this year.
Chips Lovell wrote: » Going to have to disagree with you there. Time and again, he or the party he leads has managed to alienate potential voters and generously hand ammunition to their opponents. Take the motion on primary education passed at this year's party conference. Lot's of good stuff in there about prioritising state schools and removing removing the charitable status of private schools. Ought to have been a sure-fire vote winner, especially now given the antics of Old Etonians over the past few years. But what do they go and do, but only also advocate seizing and redistributing the assets of private schools? People may not agree with private schools, but talk of expropriations will make a lot of voters very nervous. Ditto with John McDonnell talking about letting tenants buy their houses for below market value. Again, higher taxes on landlords would likely attract a lot of support, but suggesting that someone could be forced to sell up their own property for less than the going rate is going to drive away a lot of potential support. I don't think I've every come across a politician before who's said so much I'd agree with, yet I'd still hesitate to vote for. My main impression of Corbyn is that despite being of pensionable age, he hasn't moved far beyond student politics. He's seems too enamoured with radical chic to moderate his positions and make himself more electable. It says a lot about his leadership that after a weak May government and a chaotically inept Johnson premiership, he could still lose the next election.
FrancieBrady wrote: » What is the story with the PM, is he going to make an appearance?
Headshot wrote: » Confirmed to make an appearance at 18:30pm
GM228 wrote: » No, the Scottish court held "the circumstances demonstrate that the true reason for the prorogation is to reduce the time available for Parliamentary scrutiny of Brexit", the media just painted it as the court declaring specifically he lied to the Queen.
Arghus wrote: » Gove is such a polished talker that you'd nearly believe him.
robinph wrote: » Just got an email from the kids primary school saying they will be closed for an election, obviously not giving any date though but expecting one in the next few weeks seems to be what they have been told.
GM228 wrote: » Andrew Bridgen asking who do the SC judges answer to when deflecting the question of an apology to the nation by Johnson, dear god. Anyway, popcorn is ready...
