drunkmonkey wrote: » There goes Bidens shot at 2020. I wonder how man more will fall with him, would be terrible if he took Obama and Hillary down as well. Trump seems confident he's not the bag guy in this story, them dims have ran headfirst into a trap.
Mr E wrote: » The transcript from that Ukranian call will be key here.
Veritas Libertas wrote: » With even a vague connection to Biden, how could this story play out well for Trump? (I don't know much about this story)
drunkmonkey wrote: » They just opened Pandora's Box on themselves.
Biden had a proescutor fired, and got one put in, they dismissed a case against an organization that was collecting false information about Trump and Manafort, and feeding it to the DNC. That organization was run by Soros who then hired the crooked FBI to work for Soros. This stinks.
Duane Dibbley wrote: » I get the feeling this will come to nothing as usual.
Veritas Libertas wrote: » Usually I would agree, but given the facts at present, Rudy Giuliani's defence of Trump and Pelosi's change of heart I just can't see how you can put together 400$m, Biden, Trump and Ukraine without it going horribly wrong for everyone involved. Can't wait for those transcripts. The one way I don't see this going is fizzling out! Hypothetical: If it turns out Trump did influence Ukraine for his benefit of investigating Biden, do you think the senate would impeach him?
Veritas Libertas wrote: » Can't wait for those transcripts.
Veritas Libertas wrote: » Hypothetical: If it turns out Trump did influence Ukraine for his benefit of investigating Biden, do you think the senate would impeach him?
drunkmonkey wrote: » I don't see anything wrong with asking Ukraine to assist in the criminal investigation of Biden.
drunkmonkey wrote: » What crime is it?
drunkmonkey wrote: » It's a republican Senate not a hope. I don't see anything wrong with asking Ukraine to assist in the criminal investigation of Biden. It's looks like it goes a bit deeper than Biden, Obama and the Clintons are wrapped up in it.
As explained by my colleague, former U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade, in the Daily Beast, it is a crime under the federal bribery statute for a public official to demand anything of value in exchange for performing an official act. Additionally, the Hobbs Act defines extortion as "obtaining property from another, with his consent, under color of official right." McQuade continues:The essence of both crimes is a demand by a public official to obtain something for himself to which he is not entitled in exchange for performing an official act of his office. Here, if the reporting is correct, Trump may be similarly committing bribery and extortion by using the power of his office to demand a thing of value, dirt on Biden, in exchange for an official act, the provision of military aid. This is precisely the kind of old-fashioned corruption scheme that the bribery and extortion statutes were designed to punish. And, if Giuliani assisted or agreed to assist this scheme — even if he did not fully adopt the entire plan — may have aided and abetted or conspired to commit those same crimes. In addition, the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act makes it illegal for a U.S. citizen to corruptly offer “anything of value” to a foreign official to retain business or influence an official decision. Giuliani defended himself by claiming that “no money was mentioned, no quid pro quo,” in the call between Trump and the Ukranian president. Let’s see if that’s true. But more important, Giuliani — a former mob prosecutor — surely knows that most crimes don’t happen so explicitly. In 16 years of listening to criminals on wiretaps, I rarely heard anyone say, “If you don’t give me X, I will do Y.” That’s not how mafia bosses work. They make a “request” and others follow up with the demand. The law is very clear that a quid pro quo need not be explicit for a crime to have taken place. It can be inferred from the facts as a whole.
Boggles wrote: » You don't see anything wrong in the POTUS using the office to effectively get an edge on an election by "blackmailing" a foreign power? Srsly? Whether you don't see anything wrong with it or not, it's a crime.
Call me Al wrote: » Trump doesn't think so either. I think he said as much a couple of weeks back?... hmmm... I wonder why he might have said that!
Duane Dibbley wrote: » I think this will drag out so long that Trump will have finished his term of Presidency by the time it reaches conclusion.
Boggles wrote: » When Fox News contributors are saying he committed a crime, I think it's time for his cheerleaders to check their pom poms.
drunkmonkey wrote: » I don't think that's what there saying. CNN aren't even saying that. Biden is the story.
Penn wrote: » Pretty sure impeachment proceedings against the sitting President is the story.
drunkmonkey wrote: » all off the back of a whistleblower with a dislike for Trump.
drunkmonkey wrote: » Those proceedings are going nowhere she doesn't even know what she's impeaching him for, all off the back of a whistleblower with a dislike for Trump. She's playing high stakes poker and has went all in without checking her cards. He won't be impeached by a republican Senate he may win the election while this is all going on though.
