Seth Brundle wrote: » I give you Andrew Bridgenhttp://players.brightcove.net/2540076170001/B1Hli6KCG_default/index.html?videoId=6088967202001
Debub wrote: » from Laura Kuenssberg:https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49813639 The highest court in the land has just ruled that the serving prime minister broke the law. He gave the Queen advice that was unlawful. And the scope and strength of this judgement cannot just be dismissed as some pesky judges sticking their noses in. But the decision to suspend Parliament may just have blown up in Number 10's face. In his two months in power, Boris Johnson has lost his first six Commons votes, broken the law by suspending Parliament and misled the monarch. Even for a politician who seems to enjoy breaking the rules, that is a serious charge that, only two months into office, even the most brazen Johnson backer cannot simply shrug off.
Mr Bridgen said: We need Boris to be strong now. It is the worst possible decision for our democracy. I think what we have got is a Parliament is completely out of step with the sentiment of the country. They are holding our democracy to ransom. They are completely ignoring the vote we had in 2016 to Leave the European Union. It is an absolute disgrace as far as I’m concerned. What we are going to see now is the Speaker John Bercow taking control of Parliament and playing to the Remainers tune until the 31st of October when he resigns. We have got a zombie Parliament that won’t go back to the people and be held to account.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Jennifer Rankin of the Guardian is saying to watch if Johnson goes for the NI only backstop now as the only hope to meet the Oct 31st deadline. Dumping the DUP at this point is path of least resistance (even if it may not work with parliament).
Zubeneschamali wrote: » woohoo!!! wrote: » Still little reason to grant an extension imo. The EU Parliament has already voted to approve any extension request in principle:provided it is justified and has a specific purpose, such as avoiding a “no-deal” departure, holding general elections or a referendum, revoking Article 50, or approving the Withdrawal Agreement. They also add that an extension should not affect the work and functioning of the EU institutions.
woohoo!!! wrote: » Still little reason to grant an extension imo.
robinph wrote: » Agreed, but the EU can't be seen to be trying to be vindictive against one of their major members (which the UK still is until they finally pick a direction to jump in). Despite many just wanting it over and done with from every side, I can't see the EU ever refusing an extension that is asked for.
briany wrote: » woohoo!!! wrote: » Still little reason to grant an extension imo. I, for one, would still prefer another 3 months of no change at the border. A GE could be a mere reshuffling of the cards, but if delivering more of the same is the worst it could do, why not try, and grant an extension on that basis? The only people who would find a downside in it are those who want the UK out by hook or by crook.
irishproduce wrote: » And if the remainers continue to find myriad of ways to block the exit from EU I trust and hope you'll see an awful lot worse.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » Johnson, sure. But what of the 1922 committee?
Harry Palmr wrote: » If Johnson attempts to suspend parliament again I can see a barricade being mounted in the Palace of Westminster and I'm not joking at all. This could be the most dramatic period for the Houses since the Long Parliament era
briany wrote: » When you're going through hell, keep going. I don't think there's any depth Johnson would be unwilling to sink to, now that he's already fallen so far, in order to get Brexit across the line.
Seth Brundle wrote: » Tories and Brexit Party?
Zubeneschamali wrote: » Indeed, legal commentators after the hearings thought the judgement would be split, anything up to 6-5. Johnson managed to lose on justiciability AND on lawfulness AND get an 11-0 unanimous verdict. Absolutely crushing defeat. I wonder if the men in grey suits will be having a word on his return from the US, he is dragging the Tory party through the absolute depths of public humiliation.
GM228 wrote: » For the several posters who have asked: the Supreme Court decision is final, it is not possible to appeal to the ECJ. For anyone wanting to read the judgement it is now available here:-https://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKSC/2019/41.html Also I think Johnson deserves some recognition, in fairness he has achieved 100% consistency at failing to do or pass anything he has attempted.
GM228 wrote: » Also I think Johnson deserves some recognition, in fairness he has achieved 100% consistency at failing to do or pass anything he has attempted.
The first question, therefore, is whether the Prime Minister’s action had the effect of frustrating or preventing the constitutional role of Parliament in holding the Government to account. The answer is that of course it did.
It is impossible for us to conclude, on the evidence which has been put before us, that there was any reason - let alone a good reason - to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament for five weeks, from 9th or 12th September until 14th October. We cannot speculate, in the absence of further evidence, upon what such reasons might have been. It follows that the decision was unlawful.
ArmaniJeanss wrote: » People overestimate the capability of the Lib Dems in an actual GE. In many constituencies which they look as if they could win (on the remain/leave figures and demographic/geographical factors), they are very badly organised. As in the local constituency party is 5 or 6 people who meet up once a month for a chin-wag. Labour/Momentum on the other hand can still count on 100+ volunteers to get the message out and go leaflet dropping/handshaking 24 hours a day for the length of the campaign. Tories usually have less volunteers but always have the money to run a thorough advertising campaign. Lib Dems will have to do their usual thing of working out the best 15 or 20 target seats and concentrating their limited resources on them (whilst also holding what they have). Unfortunately this limits their potential upside.
briany wrote: » If the Lib Dems finished ahead of Labour in a GE, it would have to be the biggest protest vote of all time.
J Mysterio wrote: » This ruling has sent Brexiteers into a blind rage.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » Johnson can't force anything anywhere, he is a lame duck utterly at the mercy of the opposition he created.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » get a quick deal and try force through parliament.
