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Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

Quin_Dub

This is the eleventh incarnation of our Brexit discussion thread,

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jem

cummings must be sacked now. it was his plan

one armed dwarf

Is there any historical event that matches this, as far as PM disgraces go? This is bigger than Suez Canal surely.

Calling the historians in this thread

sjb25

Well now.....

Boris must be breaking up his hotel room in the US right now

VinLieger

Bannasidhe wrote: »

And I mean it doesn't matter what Corbyn personally wants or doesn't want. The membership of the party decides policy - not the leader. It is the leaders job to implement that policy.
It's really quite simple.

Can you link me his plans for a socialist utopia that require he remains in power for ever?

The condascending tone of your posts is really unnecessary and i wont be replying to you on this issue anymore

[Deleted User]

Mad.

Bannasidhe

VinLieger wrote: »

I mean he didn't want the referendum because he wants to leave the EU, claiming that the party now wants a referendum so Corbyn is okay is skirting the real core issue that Corbyn wants to be out of the EU and is doing everything he can to avoid taking a stance.

Im simply pointing out the complete idiocy of leaving the EU so he can create his socialist utopia yet he is arrogantly ignoring the long term potential consequences of leaving the EU and then having a torie government in power that wont be subject to the EU protections.

And I mean it doesn't matter what Corbyn personally wants or doesn't want. The membership of the party decides policy - not the leader. It is the leaders job to implement that policy.
It's really quite simple.

Can you link me his plans for a socialist utopia that require he remains in power for ever?

I think leaving the EU is insane - I agree that it provides vital protections.

[Deleted User]

Quin_Dub wrote: »

So , what next - Do all the MP's rock up tomorrow morning?

They might be rocking up after lunch.

VinLieger

maebee wrote: »

SNP Leader days BoJo must resign immediately

Under literally any other circumstance it would happen but its just not going to happen

lawred2

I never imagined a supreme court decision about parliamentary procedure would put such a big smile on my face but this one has

maebee

SNP Leader days BoJo must resign immediately

Quin_Dub

Suspending Parliament was unlawful, court rules

Mr Johnson suspended - or prorogued - Parliament for five weeks earlier this month, saying it was to allow a Queen's Speech to outline his new policies.

But the UK's highest court said it was wrong to stop Parliament carrying out its duties.

The court's president, Lady Hale, said: "The effect on the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme."

The quote from Lady Hale is fairly damning...

So , what next - Do all the MP's rock up tomorrow morning?

Summary from Lady Hale here

This was not a normal prorogation in the run-up to a Queen’s Speech. It prevented
Parliament from carrying out its constitutional role for five out of the possible eight weeks between
the end of the summer recess and exit day on 31st October. Proroguing Parliament is quite
different from Parliament going into recess. While Parliament is prorogued, neither House can
meet, debate or pass legislation. Neither House can debate Government policy. Nor may members
ask written or oral questions of Ministers or meet and take evidence in committees. In general,
Bills which have not yet completed all their stages are lost and will have to start again from scratch
after the Queen’s Speech. During a recess, on the other hand, the House does not sit but
Parliamentary business can otherwise continue as usual. This prolonged suspension of
Parliamentary democracy took place in quite exceptional circumstances: the fundamental change
which was due to take place in the Constitution of the United Kingdom on 31st October.
Parliament, and in particular the House of Commons as the elected representatives of the people,
has a right to a voice in how that change comes about. The effect upon the fundamentals of our
democracy was extreme.

[Deleted User]

Boris getting the wake up call about now.

Aide:"PM, It's outcome B"
BoJo:"Sh!t"

54and56

Enzokk wrote: »

Does this mean that parliament can vote against recess after Labour's conference, so the Tories lose out on theirs while the other had their own? I think they could, but I would let the Tories have their conference and let Johnson try to justify what he did in front of the nation and lose some more votes.

Before they can vote against recess someone would first of all have to propose a vote to Recess parliament.

Don't think BoJo will fancy losing another vote

Sierra Oscar

Thargor wrote: »

Unanimous that he decieved the Queen, there's no squirming out of that.

Indeed, it's so damning. No way for the Government to even helplessly spin the 'well you know, it's just such a complex and debatable issue' line.

Roadtoad

UK Supreme court etc:

Perhaps BJ will be finished with Brexit by 31 Oct. after all.
Parliament will be under someone else's management by then.

robinph

Sound issues in the BBC Studio and think the presenter was just saying to the producer whilst thinking she was off air that she wasn't going to go back to speaking with the Brexit person who was just talking nonsense to her and ignoring the questions being asked.

jem

all I can say is WOW

Enzokk

Does this mean that parliament can vote against recess after Labour's conference, so the Tories lose out on theirs while the other had their own? I think they could, but I would let the Tories have their conference and let Johnson try to justify what he did in front of the nation and lose some more votes.

54and56

Absolutely loved listening to that ruling by Lady Hale in the Supreme Court.

BoJo the hooligan, his advisers and his No Deal fanatic followers have now had the legs cut from under them.

Does BoJo resign for lying to the Queen and unlawfully Proroging Parliament?

Also, Jacob Rees Mogg the ultra Aristocratic snob has now had his reputation permanently destroyed for his role in lying to the queen.

Isn't it wonderful to see the rule of law calmly take apart the Brexit Bully Boys.

What a historic day.

devnull

House of Commons to be recalled by Bercow without delay.

ambro25

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Laws lost because of prorogation (incl one against domestic abuse) are now back on the table.

Will Boris appeal SC decision to Europe now?

I don't see that he can, domestic constitutional matters lie outside the jurisdiction of the CJEU.

VinLieger

Would love to be sitting with the Queen when that came through

one armed dwarf

prunudo wrote: »

Wow, I didn't think they'd actually find against the government, even though I knew it was morally wrong.

I suspected they would but the unanimity of the verdict is very shocking and dramatic.

Surely this is the end for this government.

devnull

Johnson will just ignore this ruling and suggest that they have taken sides now as has been flagged.

Taken sides in Boris speak = Acted in a way that was not biased towards us.

The Daily Mail will now go in overdrive and the judges are now going to need protection.

Fair play to them though, despite high levels of intimidation, they've stood their ground.

These people deserve praise for standing up for what was right under incredible pressure

LeinsterDub

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Laws lost because of prorogation (incl one against domestic abuse) are now back on the table.

Will Boris appeal SC decision to Europe now?

He can't it's not an interstate issue.

Inquitus

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Will Boris appeal SC decision to Europe now?

He can't this is as far as it can go.

Seth Brundle

Laws lost because of prorogation (incl one against domestic abuse) are now back on the table.

Will Boris appeal SC decision to Europe now?

Thargor

Unanimous that he decieved the Queen, there's no squirming out of that.

MrMusician18

Seth Brundle wrote: »

PMs advice to queen was unlawful, void and of no effect

Parliament has not been prorouged

LeinsterDub

Prorogation void and of no effect! Parliament has not been prorogued