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Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Jimmy Garlic

Climate saint Greta Trunburg is settling sail for UN climate talks in New York to demand that governments socially engineer and tax the little people into oblivion to save the planet. Accompanied by her film maker father who lives vicariously through her, a filthy rich aristocrat from Monaco and some German bloke the trip will no doubt vastly increase the wattage of her halo before she lectures us all about impending climate Armageddon in New York. Hopefully snaps from the trip will make it into Hello! Magazine.

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drunkmonkey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxNjLuifZD8

dvdman1

weldoninhio wrote: »

Sorry but you are talking nonsense. There is zero evidence, never mind irrefutable, that humans have any effect on climate change. Many theories, many projections, but zero actual evidence of a link.

There is evidence and consensus on mans role in climate change among scientists

"Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal" ......intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
Your disagreeing on that panels conclusions, how and on what basis?

Annasopra

Deleted User wrote: »

source?

You just quoted the poster giving their source

Annasopra

weldoninhio wrote: »

Sorry but you are talking nonsense. There is zero evidence, never mind irrefutable, that humans have any effect on climate change. Many theories, many projections, but zero actual evidence of a link.

This is absolute and utter drivel. There is mountains and mountains of evidence.

Wanderer78

screamer wrote:

Poor old Greta I think she just realized yesterday itâ€™s an imperfect world full of injustice and politicians on the whole are self-servers. I think kids sometimes have idealistic views which in reality wonâ€™t or donâ€™t work. This environment stuff is no different. Until or unless there are viable affordable alternatives to fossil fuels, most countries will continue to burn relatively cheap, dirty coal and oil. Thatâ€™s the way it is, and all the strikes/ show boating across the Atlantic and impassioned speeches wonâ€™t change that.

Scandinavian countries divesting their fossil fuel sovereign wealth fund, nothing to see here!

screamer

Poor old Greta I think she just realized yesterday it’s an imperfect world full of injustice and politicians on the whole are self-servers.
I think kids sometimes have idealistic views which in reality won’t or don’t work. This environment stuff is no different. Until or unless there are viable affordable alternatives to fossil fuels, most countries will continue to burn relatively cheap, dirty coal and oil. That’s the way it is, and all the strikes/ show boating across the Atlantic and impassioned speeches won’t change that.

Veritas Libertas

Always Tired wrote: »

People dont keep their phones for more than 2 years max, they become obselete very quickly. So they create huge amounts of waste. [...]Think of all the plastic and batteries that have to be disposed of from phones alone, it's massive amounts.

Mobile phones have made our lives more convenient but they have not necessarily made the world better, and from a pollution standpoint have made things worse. In fact most people still buy all those items you mentioned in addition to phones, which have batteries and are made of plastic.

Indeed. They also require rare earth minerals produced only in countries brazen enough to ruin the environment by extracting them.

I might add that a lot of the green energies are also often more damaging to the environment with the amount of co2 needed to produce them combined with their short life-spans(e.g. solar cells) and the waste in their disposal.

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If solar panels are clean, why do they produce so much toxic waste?

drunkmonkey

Always Tired wrote: »

So you think mobile phones being able to multitask is somehow helping what? Pollution and climate change? What? Where do you get that from? That's so wrong it's laughable.

Firstly, people still buy computers. And stamps. And tape recorders. And sat navs. And compasses (a rather bizarre inclusion to the list, but anyway since you put it in there it might interest you to know they are still being produced as being lost in the woods you might want a compass that doesnt run out of battery). And compasses, like stereos and tape recorders, are typically kept for years, a decade or more even. People still buy vinyl to this day. I still have a CD player and buy CDs.

People dont keep their phones for more than 2 years max, they become obselete very quickly. So they create huge amounts of waste. I worked at a phone shop back in 2006 that had a whole storeroom that was just a 3 foot high pile of old phones and that was in a small shop in a small town, 6 years before smartphones (which are replaced even more quickly) started to become popular. Think of all the plastic and batteries that have to be disposed of from phones alone, it's massive amounts.

Are houses more efficient? How? By having an amazon echo? Another electronic device that will be obselete in a few years? I thought you said our phones do everything now?

We're all using the same heat, coal etc. Wind and wave power we actually missed the boat on because we were too busy bailing out banks and creating Irish water to invest in it.

You saying millennials can't remember or dont realize that we used to need more than one device to do certain tasks, and that these advances mean the world is better now is actually proving the point that a lot of the older generation understand as much about climate change as Trump does about windmills.

Mobile phones have made our lives more convenient but they have not necessarily made the world better, and from a pollution standpoint have made things worse. In fact most people still buy all those items you mentioned in addition to phones, which have batteries and are made of plastic.

You might be in a bit of a minority there with your CD's and tape recorder. As for your house being more efficient because of an Amazon echo I think you completely missed the point.
That 3ft pile of mobile phones if full of gold and copper, people will pay you so they can recycle them.

weldoninhio

Tell me how wrote: »

No, of course not, it's been changing since day dot.

But, there is irrefutable evidence that the current rate of change is much greater than anytime outside of a catastrophic event and that it is as a consequence of human action.

The impact of this change does not bode well for future generations therefore, we should try to curtail it.

Sorry but you are talking nonsense. There is zero evidence, never mind irrefutable, that humans have any effect on climate change. Many theories, many projections, but zero actual evidence of a link.

seamus

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I've noticed though too that there are growing strong strong links between climate change deniers and varying strands of the far right.

Because ultimately their goal is the same; The accumulation and retention of personal wealth at any cost. There's a reason oil companies have thrown a trillion dollars over the last 30 years at fighting climate policy.

Hal3000

Always Tired wrote: »

So you think mobile phones being able to multitask is somehow helping what? Pollution and climate change? What? Where do you get that from? That's so wrong it's laughable.

Firstly, people still buy computers. And stamps. And tape recorders. And sat navs. And compasses (a rather bizarre inclusion to the list, but anyway since you put it in there it might interest you to know they are still being produced as being lost in the woods you might want a compass that doesnt run out of battery). And compasses, like stereos and tape recorders, are typically kept for years, a decade or more even. People still buy vinyl to this day. I still have a CD player and buy CDs.

People dont keep their phones for more than 2 years max, they become obselete very quickly. So they create huge amounts of waste. I worked at a phone shop back in 2006 that had a whole storeroom that was just a 3 foot high pile of old phones and that was in a small shop in a small town, 6 years before smartphones (which are replaced even more quickly) started to become popular. Think of all the plastic and batteries that have to be disposed of from phones alone, it's massive amounts.

Are houses more efficient? How? By having an amazon echo? Another electronic device that will be obselete in a few years? I thought you said our phones do everything now?

We're all using the same heat, coal etc. Wind and wave power we actually missed the boat on because we were too busy bailing out banks and creating Irish water to invest in it.

You saying millennials can't remember or dont realize that we used to need more than one device to do certain tasks, and that these advances mean the world is better now is actually proving the point that a lot of the older generation understand as much about climate change as Trump does about windmills.

Mobile phones have made our lives more convenient but they have not necessarily made the world better, and from a pollution standpoint have made things worse. In fact most people still buy all those items you mentioned in addition to phones, which have batteries and are made of plastic.

I’d also like to add that stamps and compasses don’t need to charged.

Always Tired

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We are consuming less. We are changing. Take your phone rewind 20yrs you needed a stereo, CD's, sat nav, compass, computer, stamps, a tape recorder, the list goes on and that's just one device. Cars are improving, houses more efficient, public transport is more widespread. Solar/Wind/Wave energy are all happening. The world is getting better.
Greta or the millennials don't realise any of this there too young.

So you think mobile phones being able to multitask is somehow helping what? Pollution and climate change? What? Where do you get that from? That's so wrong it's laughable.

Firstly, people still buy computers. And stamps. And tape recorders. And sat navs. And compasses (a rather bizarre inclusion to the list, but anyway since you put it in there it might interest you to know they are still being produced as being lost in the woods you might want a compass that doesnt run out of battery). And compasses, like stereos and tape recorders, are typically kept for years, a decade or more even. People still buy vinyl to this day. I still have a CD player and buy CDs.

People dont keep their phones for more than 2 years max, they become obselete very quickly. So they create huge amounts of waste. I worked at a phone shop back in 2006 that had a whole storeroom that was just a 3 foot high pile of old phones and that was in a small shop in a small town, 6 years before smartphones (which are replaced even more quickly) started to become popular. Think of all the plastic and batteries that have to be disposed of from phones alone, it's massive amounts.

Are houses more efficient? How? By having an amazon echo? Another electronic device that will be obselete in a few years? I thought you said our phones do everything now?

We're all using the same heat, coal etc. Wind and wave power we actually missed the boat on because we were too busy bailing out banks and creating Irish water to invest in it.

You saying millennials can't remember or dont realize that we used to need more than one device to do certain tasks, and that these advances mean the world is better now is actually proving the point that a lot of the older generation understand as much about climate change as Trump does about windmills.

Mobile phones have made our lives more convenient but they have not necessarily made the world better, and from a pollution standpoint have made things worse. In fact most people still buy all those items you mentioned in addition to phones, which have batteries and are made of plastic.

seannash

Randle P. McMurphy wrote: »

So much vitriol and hatred in this thread aimed at a 16yo girl. So much ignorance and denial. She has more courage, intelligence and gumption than the lot of you put together.

This is not a remark on greta more a remark on this comment.
She doesn't have more courage or intelligence than most. I know plenty of 16 year olds than could do what she is doing. She is reading a carefully crafted speech which is most likely written for her.
She knows her topic well, like a lot of 16 year old kids who obsess over their interests.
Trotting out the she has more courage and intelligence line is very rarely true.
I personally hate her delivery of her message. She comes across as bratty.
I dont disagree with what she says though.

Ultimately she wont make the slightest bit of difference, shes just an interesting guest speaker who is flavour of the month for political circles to trot out at events like this. Do people really think her talk has changed anyone's opinion in that room?

[Deleted User]

Randle P. McMurphy wrote: »

So much vitriol and hatred in this thread aimed at a 16yo girl. So much ignorance and denial. She has more courage, intelligence and gumption than the lot of you put together.

source?

Randle P. McMurphy

So much vitriol and hatred in this thread aimed at a 16yo girl. So much ignorance and denial. She has more courage, intelligence and gumption than the lot of you put together.

gctest50

Everyones favourite Self-loading-ballast have any answers for teh big polar meltdowns yet or does she need a few more free cruises ?

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

So we allow a misguided youth to dictate what and when is "too late". Just because she has a tantrum? We already know what the actual pedictions are - we certainly don't need someone making up their own. It helps nothing.

It helps in raising the public awareness for a need for action. When was the last time 4M people marched for action on climate change before Greta?

Also, again, please read this slowly because it is a fact and yet you keep ignoring it, Greta is not trying to dictate beyond that people listen to the scientists. That's her message. Try not to keep getting it wrong.

Tell me how

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Too late for what? Do you think that if humans stop emitting Co2 the climate will stop changing?

No, of course not, it's been changing since day dot.

But, there is irrefutable evidence that the current rate of change is much greater than anytime outside of a catastrophic event and that it is as a consequence of human action.

The impact of this change does not bode well for future generations therefore, we should try to curtail it.

Annasopra

KyussB wrote: »

The denialists are the same as the right-wing Libertarian cult from earlier in the decade - same network of think-tanks and everything - you can best spot them, as they are always raving about Communists/Marxists etc. - even though nobody here is Marxist/Communist, and nobody in Ireland, outside of Libertarians on Boards perhaps, gets rabid about conspiracy theories involving Communists.

They have exactly the same style of disrupting constructive debate. Same network of think-tanks. Same imperviousness to evidence. Same uncritical regurgitation of easily discredited sources - especially the regular use of argument-by-YouTube (videos that nobody watches). Same style of appeal-to-emotion based arguments, dividing debate into a dichotomy of two tribalistic sides, coupled with backslapping, browbeating, and trying to maintain an echo chamber of denialist views.

It's astroturfing. Boards gets targeted for it, because anywhere else the same comments get voted out of view.

I've noticed though too that there are growing strong strong links between climate change deniers and varying strands of the far right.

SafeSurfer

Tell me how wrote: »

gozunda wrote: »

Oh people can figure it out just fine I'm sure. I'm sure there will be. And is that *need* for action predicated on geta's doomsday scenario with civilisation going tits up in 10 years time - which is at odds with the 'science'?

Guess we are all feked if that's the case so ...

Sure we can just wait until it's too late and then say sure no one told us.
Or, wouldn't it be great if it was just after we had left the planet ourselves, if we knew that would be the case, sure we wouldn't have to worry about it all.

Too late for what? Do you think that if humans stop emitting Co2 the climate will stop changing?

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

Sure we can just wait until it's too late and then say sure no one told us.Or, wouldn't it be great if it was just after we had left the planet ourselves, if we knew that would be the case, sure we wouldn't have to worry about it all.

So we allow a misguided youth to dictate what and when is "too late". Just because she has a tantrum? We already know what the actual pedictions are - we certainly don't need someone making up their own. It helps nothing.

Tell me how

Emmalynn Scary Piecemeal wrote: »

As you said, first you heard of it..easier to blow the world is ending trumpet.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/climate.nasa.gov/news/2844/fire-below-ice-above-volcanoes-glaciers-and-sea-level-rise.amp

https://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=295861&org=NSF&from=news
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/12/scientists-discover-91-volcanos-antarctica

Remember a saying about being granted the wisdom to recognizing what can be changed and what can't be and having the wisdom to know the difference.

Ring any bells for you?

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

Oh people can figure it out just fine I'm sure. I'm sure there will be. And is that *need* for action predicated on geta's doomsday scenario with civilisation going tits up in 10 years time - which is at odds with the 'science'?

Guess we are all feked if that's the case so ...

Sure we can just wait until it's too late and then say sure no one told us.
Or, wouldn't it be great if it was just after we had left the planet ourselves, if we knew that would be the case, sure we wouldn't have to worry about it all.

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

Once more those who still can't figure it out

* there needs to be action .

Oh people can figure it out just fine. I'm sure there will be'. Btw is that *need* for action predicated on geta's doomsday scenario with civilisation going tits up in 10 years time? - which is at odds with the 'science'.

Guess we are all feked if that's the case so ...

uck51js9zml2yt

Tell me how wrote: »

After action was taking to reduce the numbers of CFC's being used in products......

Volcano's melting the glaciers? First I've heard, was it this evening was it?

As you said, first you heard of it..easier to blow the world is ending trumpet.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/climate.nasa.gov/news/2844/fire-below-ice-above-volcanoes-glaciers-and-sea-level-rise.amp

https://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=295861&org=NSF&from=news
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/12/scientists-discover-91-volcanos-antarctica

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

Unfortunately your endless withering on about greta doesn't.

From the tantrum today she is not obviously not happy with anybody. For sure she is not 'pointing to the science' when she continues to claim that civilisation is going to end in exactly 10 years etc etc. But hey go ahead just ignore the bits that don't sit well with your vision of greta the messiah leading the way and having a virtual meltdown when she doesn't get it ...

Once more those who still can't figure it out.

Tell me how wrote: »

People aren't worshipping at any alter. They are agreeing with her points.
There needs to be action

Scientists need to take the lead.

Governments need to empower, support and listen to the scientists.

Jeff2

Greta "you stole my dreams".

No, your dad did any other did and your her youth.

gozunda

quokula wrote: »

You can use all the anecdotes you want but that doesn’t change the fact that CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is still increasing and temperatures are still rising.

Hmmm let's see - ever increasing numbers of humans and a corresponding increase in the use of of natural resources and increased overall consumption. Now for the world of me - I cant figure out what the problem might be. Any ideas?

quokula

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We are consuming less. We are changing. Take your phone rewind 20yrs you needed a stereo, CD's, sat nav, compass, computer, stamps, a tape recorder, the list goes on and that's just one device. Cars are improving, houses more efficient, public transport is more widespread. Solar/Wind/Wave energy are all happening. The world is getting better.
Greta or the millennials don't realise any of this there too young.

You can use all the anecdotes you want but that doesn’t change the fact that CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is still increasing and temperatures are still rising.

Junkyard Tom

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The only ones who stole her childhood were her demented Marxist parents.

So it's a Marxist conspiracy is it? I wonder what reactionary dimwit you heard this from.. Paul Joseph Watson? Carl Benjamin?