MayoAreMagic wrote: » You sound like that cotter lad that was on the prime time section about dublin financial doping. He claimed that in the 00s football in the capital was on its knees. They contested 4 all ireland semi finals in that period. That isnt on its knees, or anything like it. The fact is, if it isbonly 15 v 15, and all that baloney you just pushed, then why did dublin need the investment in the first place? Could dublin jot field 15 players in the 00s? The truth is you want it every way.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Phrases like 'begrudgers', '31v1', 'nobody said kerry should be split' and 'this is just a golden generation' you mean? The phrase financial doping on the other hand stands up to scrutiny completely... Instead of loading up on substances nobody else can use - i.e. doping, this is loading up one team with exponential amounts of cash that nobody else has access too. It is actually a very apt phrase.
omega man wrote: » Hadn’t realised you were from Kerry gaffer91. Explains your current state of depression with GAA and Dublin’s 5 in a row!
Bonniedog wrote: » Actually the 60s were a boom time for sports attendances in western Europe. Look at the crowds for GAA finals and league finals, League of Ireland and soccer internationals. It was a time when people had more money and leisure time and before they began to buy cars and TVs and overseas holidays in mass. Same happened in British soccer. That was a peak, and declined from early 70s due to the above factors kicking in. Noughties boom brought another peak, with a relative fall off but still historically high compared to any other era. Dublin got nothing like average crowds of 23,000 for Croke Park league games even in the 70s. And certainly not in the 90s.
gaffer91 wrote: » @gormdubhgorm your posts are too lengthy to keep quoting and debating for any extended period as it's too time consuming- we can pencil in some time this week for when we go around in circles again.
In response to your key points, the inter-county game is ruined as Dublin will continue to dominate indefinitely in the current setup as they are unfairly advantaged. People will lose interest both because of the victories but also the unfairness that they are founded on.
Re: the first half of the replay, good football for sure. Wouldn't say the highest standard ever however. There are problems with gaelic football, unrelated to Dublin (more to do with the rules as they currently are) that make it less enjoyable for the spectator these days- these things would include less long range point shooting, less high fielding from kickouts, excessive handpassing and others.
But the problem is that Dublin's superior strength and conditioning and bench mean they will always pull away from teams- Cork, Meath, Mayo and Kerry weren't all "unlucky" to be thrashed in the second half the way they were.
Financial doping is a good phrase as I've previously explained for the reasons mentioned in my last post. I've always said Dublin have some brilliant footballers. I'm sure they work hard too. But without the money they would not have as much success, without a doubt.
Once again you hark back to Ewan Mackenna. Other pundits were talking about the funding and splitting Dublin for various reasons this week- McStay, O'Rourke, Sean Moran- are they all brainwashed rabid Dublin haters too?
There was no financial doping of Kerry compared to what has gone on in Dublin. If you want the provincials done away it, I've already said that would be fine- the answer wasn't to financially dope Dublin in response.
Also the provincials were less beneficial to Kerry for the last 30 or so years as A. Cork and Clare won more than Kerry from 1987 to 2000 and B. You had qualifiers/ quarter finals and later the super 8s which meant more games and chances for all teams.
This isn't a once in a lifetime Dublin team- they will keep winning indefinitely.
Got a good laugh off this one, of of the most unintentionally hilarious posts on this thread.
Some very, very good posts there, makes a good change from this thread. I've always slagged off the standard of officiating in Gaelic Games- refs can and do win or lose games and I've said as much. Most recently I commented on Wexford-Tipperary as a neutral, where if Tipperary lost, they could legitimately have blamed the ref.
I wasn't aware of the financial doping in 2013 hence why I didn't factor it in, not sure when my awakening occurred. I have always thought a two way split of Dublin was justified on population grounds alone however.
More of a supporter of Gaelic Games as a whole than Kerry- for instance I would be just as quick to criticise any unfair advantages Kerry have if they were ruining the game in a manner equivalent to Dublin.
If anything, those posts show I genuinely do have no animosity towards Dublin. Like I have said, Dublin GAA will benefit from a split as well. I'm pleased to see this becoming a more common conversation these days. Don't mind teams winning as long as it is on a level playing field (for instance Kilkenny).
MayoAreMagic wrote: » How many of those were on hold because of dublin's involvement in the all ireland series? If it is all about participation in Dublin, then holding off games for months is hardly going to encourage it... Talk is cheap. But the actions of dublin gaa shows that their senior team is the only show in town
Bridge93 wrote: » Yes let's move the Leinster semi finals and final out of Croke Park. What ground in Leinster should we play these games in? Nolan Park and O' Moore Park at 27,000 are the next largest. So will we take another hit to the communal coffers at get far less through the gates than want to go? Or will we play the Leinster championship in Tipperary or Cork?
Strumms wrote: » There is a golden generation of Dublin players and the conveyor belt of talent is being nurtured via hard work, coaching skill sets, dedication, kindness, instilled winning mindsets and overall effort...on behalf of parents, coaches, volunteers, current players, ex players, families. It’s 1000% from each and every angle. All people with jobs, responsibilities, families yet who are ALL of the mindset to help and support with a singular vision and team ethic.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Kerry Group is their sponsor. Fair play to them. Dublin have AIG, whom they get evem more money from. I dont see your point here. What do you think this proves?
StupidLikeAFox wrote: » Our club has all that dedication as well, but on top of all that volunteerism the GAA are giving your clubs money to employ a full time coach, to make sure the players are getting coached to a professional standard. Thats only available to the Dublin clubs unfortunately - I wonder which set of players would be better placed to realise their full playing potential?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » But with the smaller numbers in population the county games development administrators can cover clubs easier. It more feasible to do for clubs outside Dublin. As the sheer numbers in Dublin mean that the clubs have to get thier own GDA like Kilmacud or Cuala.
beggars_bush wrote: » No they can't. Our county has 3 full time coaches 50+ schools 40+ clubs Coaches down the country don't really visit clubs. I think our club has got ONE visit in the last 12 months And we have to pay a coaching levy to county board to support the coaching and games in the county Dubs don't have a clue about clubs outside the pale
gormdubhgorm wrote: Also I would argue with today's technology are games development admins really required to be there in person? All that is really needed are instructional videos, skype calls with volunteer coaches? All easily done with little cost. It is not that difficult to follow instruction is it? Just takes a bit of planning.
Happyilylost wrote: » If it's that easy to do you can send the Dublin ones down the country so.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Stands up to struntiny completely how? When the phrase refers to the purchasing of players in a professional context. Also the terms golden generation and begrdugers are used in the correct meaning - " begrudgery noun Irish informal resentment of any person who has achieved success"https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/golden-generation" " golden generation used, especially in sports reports, to refer to a group of skilful football, rugby, etc. players of similar ages who achieve success or are expected to achieve success for their country:" It has been proven that this is a golden generation of Dublin footballers beyond doubt. As there are 11 players still on the panel from the 2011 AI final team and 7 came from the 2013 AI final team. This is indisputable as it shows it is the same core of players. In contrast Kerry only have 2 surviving players on the panel from the 2011 AI final. If this is not a golden generation of players for Dublin I do not know what you think a golden generation of players
Bonniedog wrote: » The only serious hold is on the senior football championship which is back on track next week. Your own county also postponed the SFC until after the semi final did it not? Minimal disruption to other competitions. Senior hurling championship was not delayed after county hurlers were beaten, Dublin far better organised than many counties who were out of inter county senior months ago.
kyote00 wrote: » Did you read the article - it says AIG have same amount
MayoAreMagic wrote: » The phrase is Financial Doping. There is nothing in that phrase that connects the financial goings on specifically or exclusively to purchasing of players. It is simply, exactly what it says - doping of finances. Re your spiel about golden generations. It isnt. That is just the way it is now. It is just a normal generation for dublin. You are evaluating the dublin team in terms of their opposition, who have on average 1/12th of their population and an even smaller fraction of their cash. It is the equivalent of putting a run of the mill heavyweight into the lightweight division. He doesnt have to be a special heavyweight to look good in that company, but if you only view him in that competition, he will look special
gaffer91 wrote: » There was no financial doping of Kerry compared to what has gone on in Dublin. If you want the provincials done away it, I've already said that would be fine- the answer wasn't to financially dope Dublin in response. Also the provincials were less beneficial to Kerry for the last 30 or so years as A. Cork and Clare won more than Kerry from 1987 to 2000 and B. You had qualifiers/ quarter finals and later the super 8s which meant more games and chances for all teams.
gaffer91 wrote: » More of a supporter of Gaelic Games as a whole than Kerry- for instance I would be just as quick to criticise any unfair advantages Kerry have if they were ruining the game in a manner equivalent to Dublin. If anything, those posts show I genuinely do have no animosity towards Dublin. Like I have said, Dublin GAA will benefit from a split as well. I'm pleased to see this becoming a more common conversation these days. Don't mind teams winning as long as it is on a level playing field (for instance Kilkenny).
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I suggest you look at the dictionary on the defintion of financial doping.https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/financial-dopinghttps://www.thefreedictionary.com/financial+doping Nowhere does it mention amateur players. It mentions the 'purchasing of players. Unless there is something new in the GAA I am uawre unaware of? Of course it is a golden generation there has been a clear slide in standard as I have already stated - minor, u21, league. even a young Kerry team took Dublin to a draw, the Dublin bench is creaking with old bones. There are 11 still on the panel from the 2011 final and seven from 2013 final . If that is not a golden generation I ask you what is your definition of it? You must have a different grasp of the English language than I do? I also ask you to look at the number of Kerry players that are left on the panel from 2011. There are just two a blind man would be able to see the contrast with the Dublin panel. But as usual you have your own wilful blindness and only see what you want to see. Did you know the starting 15 on the Mayo team had a younger average age then that of Dublin when they faced each other in the SF? Cheer up! Mayo are league champions and got to AI football semi, only to be beaten by the best generation/team ever to be witnessed in your lifetime. The level of tactics in the GAA has being brought on leaps and bounds in no small part because of this Dublin team. I expect Kerry to continue those levels and in future improve on it. If your fellow countymen had the same defeatist attitude as you, they would not keep plugging away year after year. Maybe you should just watch the rugby - I hear connacht rugby are doing well?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Coming through the qualifiers means you have no choice but to postpone it. When they won connacht they were playing their club championship games when there was gaps available. Dublin have also reduced their club championship to involving very few games. It doesnt sound well run, it sounds like the club scene is a nuisance and that the inter county scene is the only show in town. Dublin club players seem to have a pretty crap time of it, but ye the fans dont seem to care.
blanch152 wrote: » It is particularly difficult for Mayo supporters to live with Dublin's success. This decade has seen the greatest Mayo team of all time. Unfortunately, they are now on the downhill slope, not having won an All-Ireland because they came up against the greatest team of all time. The Dublin team of the 1970s was similarly unlucky, but it managed to squeeze two All-Irelands during the era of the second greatest team of all time. The thing is, these things come round again.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Not particularly. Im comfortable in the knowledge that mayo had the best county team in the country in the mid 2010s. Dublin are not a county team. They are a financially doped provincial side. Only a fool would take their financial five in a row seriously or count any of those wins as meaningful. History will treat the period from 2013 on with derision and scorn, you cant see it coming because you are too caught up in your own hubris. Id much rather mayos record to be honest.
dunnerc wrote: » What a load of bitter nonsense , You are fooling nobody
omega man wrote: » As has been repeated here before his post exposes the reason why many want Dublin split etc. It’s not about a level playing field for ALL counties, it’s about wanting a better opportunity to win AIs for their own county.
