joe40 wrote: » . . . the world is undoubtedly facing a huge crisis caused by climate change.
The_Brood wrote: » Pretty much every major street protest in Dublin on social issues is filled with Communist/Soviet union flags (carried by young/not old people) who seem utterly oblivious/not giving a damn about the history behind the Soviet union.
KyussB wrote: » Ok, every major protest in Ireland is a Communist conspiracy - got it... It has nothing at all to do with the various single-digit membership anarchist/Communist etc. societies in the major colleges - who don't even have enough intellect to get the classroom heating fixed, without first holding a protest about it - rather than just ask the fucking janitor. These idiots are the ones who conspired to gather 10k+ people for a climate protest. This is the level of ridiculous hysteria you only get from Libertarians - they should be confined to a section of Boards with their Marxist mates - since they can't stop going on about them.
sabat wrote: » This is really resembling an Aquarian doomsday cult at this stage. The messianic virginal leader, a specific end of the world date (12 years left), the deliberate recruitment of masses of young people etc.
cfuserkildare wrote: » You would need to convince both China and India to cut emissions first Good luck with that.
weldoninhio wrote: » Maybe they’ll do a Jonestown and leave the rest of us to get on with things.
Pa ElGrande wrote: » This will be my last post for a while, suffice to say there is no climate crisis, we live in different climate zones across the planet and as humans are very adaptable to the situations. The next crisis that will affect us all in one way or another here in Ireland will be economic in origin.
is_that_so wrote: » One expects posters to have a little sense of decorum and that's uncalled for. EDIT: I see even you thought better of the vile original post.
Tell me how wrote: » This is comical Ali levels of denial. Suffice to say, at this point, you are choosing to ignore the documented evidence. Wilful ignorance I think is the term which covers it best. You are not choosing to use evidence to suggest there is not a problem, you are simply choosing to ignore it. I think it is important to be clear about that.
Pa ElGrande wrote: » Despite the fact that the global population has grown massively since the turn of the 20th century there are much less weather related deaths since we have been able to adapt to normal range of weather extremes that occur within the various climate zones. It is you that is ignoring the evidence and succumbing to the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming cult by failing to review the evidence that shows the weather events are not showing any particular trend one way of the other, we are generally able to deal with those and protect ourselves as evidenced by the graph I showed.
Pa ElGrande wrote: There is a precedent for Greta lookup the story of the 15 year old Nongqawuse. Greta is just telling us a scary story about a boogie man that she believes and encourages us to join the hunt to capture and kill the boogie man before it kills more people. She has no special insight, just substitute CO2 for the boogie man and it begins to make sense why she might claim to see it, in the same manner of a frightened child when you put them to bed.
Pa ElGrande wrote: We have tended to throw off traditional religions across Europe in recent decades, however, we still have what you could describe as a spiritual capacity, (in this case the cult of Gaia), to transcend present misery with deified hope, belief and prayer for a better future. Thus, the people around Greta furnish the problem, feed and stoke it into uncertainty, misery, hell fire and damnation, then present the solution. Now where have we heard that before? Salvation is at hand, oldest trick in the book. You might consider Greta's personal difficulties relating to people and trying to make sense of the world, then it might not be surprising that she would subconsciously tap into the spiritual realm and approach the world with a religious fervour that tries to persuade everyone around her.
Pa ElGrande wrote: Anyway I have a flight to catch to JFK, so who knows I may run into Greta in person over the next week. :rolleyes:
Tell me how wrote: » She's in America, or do you disbelieve the news around that also? I am more likely to meet her than your good self.
weldoninhio wrote: » JFK is in America buddy.
joe40 wrote: » Greta is not important, and everyone knows she is not a scientists and she has never claimed to be a scientist.She is simply raising awareness, and promoting the IPCC reports.Everything else is just noise, but it is the thing people that who don't want to accept climate change is a problem latch onto.It is easy to ridicule what you call alarmism, but the world is undoubtedly facing a huge crisis caused by climate change.
“My name is Greta Thunberg, I am 16 years old, I come from Sweden and I want you to panic,”
" I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day."
"Around the year 2030, 10 years 252 days and 10 hours away from now, we will be in a position where we set off an irreversible chain reaction beyond human control, that will most likely lead to the end of our civilisation as we know it."
"Please stop saying something globally bad is going to happen in 2030. Bad stuff is already happening and every half a degree of warming matters, but the IPCC does not draw a “planetary boundary” at 1.5°C beyond which lie climate dragons".
gozunda wrote: » She is a misguided kid screaming armegedon ...
Tell me how wrote: » The Swedish Parliament, The EU Parliament, the UK Parliament, the US congress, the UN are not in the habit of inviting screaming misguided children to speak to them. The fact that Greta has been invited to these places amongst others is evidence that she has a message worth listening to.Why does this infuriate you so much?
Tell me how wrote: » The Swedish Parliament, The EU Parliament, the UK Parliament, the US congress, the UN are not in the habit of inviting screaming misguided children to speak to them.
gozunda wrote: » Lol. It doesn't. Just pointing out the BS - does that annoy you? The UN are well known for coming out with various false figures - which they later redact but only after much of the damage is done unfortunately. But yes the kid is a populist figurehead pushed by others and politicians love a good PR opportunity. It's not that hard to figure out now is it ... I take it you are a greta groupie? :pac:
Veritas Libertas wrote: » Those places(most) also hosted Anita Sarkeesian(Working to end online harassment and bullying of women). Look where she is now. Greta is the latest fad.
Deleted User wrote: » people have answered your probing questions two or three times in the last few pages tellmehowyou dont ever seem to acknowledge any of the points made, and prefer to instead make personal comments i wonder if they'll stop responding to you sooner or later. would seem the best option really.
gozunda wrote: » I take it you are a greta groupie? :pac:
Rockbeast2 wrote: » I hope Smell Me Why is getting paid for spewing this nonsense.
Tell me how wrote: » gozunda wrote: » She is a misguided kid screaming armegedon ... The Swedish Parliament, The EU Parliament, the UK Parliament, the US congress, the UN are not in the habit of inviting screaming misguided children to speak to them. The fact that Greta has been invited to these places amongst others is evidence that she has a message worth listening to. Why does this infuriate you so much?
Tell me how wrote: » What's your point? Would you have described her as a screaming misguided child also?
SafeSurfer wrote: » So the message she has related is a. I want you to panic. b. I don’t want you to listen to me, listen to the scientists. Is there a possibility that these institutions of power want to whip up the fear and panic peddled by Greta so they can persuade people that the increase in their power and control over people’s freedom is necessary? Do you not think that it is unusual within a 12 months of starting a campaign a child is being invited to address parliaments and the UN, without any expertise or solutions? Only offering emotion and calling upon those present to panic?Do you not contemplate for a moment that she is being manipulated in order to manipulate you?
Veritas Libertas wrote: » My point that your argument to authority isn't a great one, I've seen lots of crazy speak at the U.N. and the houses of congress of which you speak. Greta may have a good message, but who is she to assume she knows more than us? Isn't she a child? People are alluding to the fact that this is all in vain, and not productive other than making people feel better about themselves. I probably wouldn't describe her like that. If she genuinely feels she's making the world a better place somehow, then that only proves how she is being co-opted by those around her.
Tell me how wrote: » Honestly, you really need to listen to her. She literally has said, 'how can I have the answers, I am a child'.
Veritas Libertas wrote: » How do you believe she is doing good for the world? (If you believe that to be the case)
Tell me how wrote: » She is drawing attention to the need for action on our industrial, economic, societal and environmental practices because we are irreparably damaging the planet which will have seriously negative impacts for future generations in the very near future. But, she is right in her message, and she is doing what she can. That is all she can do.
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