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Is it time to lift the beef pickets?

Muckit

Could we get a vote going on this mods?

I'll nail my colurs to the mast and say a reluctant Yes at this stage.

Fair play to all farm organisations, individual.farmers and members of the public that supported the protests and those that fought on our behaves at the beef talks to hammer out a deal.

I think the increases to QA are welcome but base price quotes should be higher and not dip below a sustainable level.

If a deal was struck, it should be honoured and followed through on by us farmers, and in turn by the factories on their end of the deal.

Just my thoughts on things at the moment.

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whelan2

Can we got back on topic , please ?

Danzy

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

I couldn't give 2 fecks whether you marched or not. It was the comparison to the majority of hard working farming grafters to the spongers (not your good self) that were the majority protesting on the water charges which were mainly lefty liberal socialist sh1tes that would swallow a shovel before they'd use it.

If it was just those the Gov't would have been able to push it through.
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FG knew it was hitting their own support or people that would throw them a 2.

It was middle Ireland that was turning out on massive numbers.

greysides

whelan2 wrote: »

Can we got back on topic , please ?

Mod: Sounds like a good idea.

Good loser

Bandon ended around 4 pm.

How many are left?

Quantum Erasure

update posted on agriland at 11pm,

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/farmer-protest-update-what-picket-lines-have-stood-down/

A total of 20 farmer protests outside meat processing plants across the country have now officially stood down, AgriLand understands.
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It is understood that efforts will now continue to bring a close to the remaining farmer protests at: Liffey Meats in Ballyjamesduff, Co. Cavan; Slaney Meats near Bunclody, Co. Wexford; Kepak in Ennis, Co. Clare; Liffey Meats in Ballinasloe, Co. Galway; and Kepak in Clonee, Co. Dublin.

greysides

Slaney?? It was mu understanding that they were gone from Friday week last. The factory had remained closed though.....

Gael23

Next the Vegans will put up pickets as lorries of cattle arrive to be killed.

yosemitesam1

Gael23 wrote: »

Next the Vegans will put up pickets as lorries of cattle arrive to be killed.

What happens if they do? Would the gards clear them

Base price

Four mediators endorsed to represent farmers - https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/farmer-mediators-endorsed-to-represent-10-picket-lines/

Robson99

What is the story now with regard to the couple of factories being picketed.???
Don't see the point in only protesting outside a few...
I'm pretty sure those now protesting have no cattle to kill and are just ****ing things up on those that have

kk.man

Robson99 wrote: »

What is the story now with regard to the couple of factories being picketed.???
Don't see the point in only protesting outside a few...
I'm pretty sure those now protesting have no cattle to kill and are just ****ing things up on those that have

Blood and stones come to mind at this stage.

Water John

Cattle went into factory in Bandon yesterday for a kill on Monday.

Cavanjack

Water John wrote: »

Cattle went into factory in Bandon yesterday for a kill on Monday.

Cattle killed now won’t get the extra bonuses will they not until the last of the pickets are gone?

Water John

Suspect their feedlot, their on a different price anyway.

Gawddawggonnit

What’s the story on this?

https://youtu.be/pVG2XFrl-LE

Good loser

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

What’s the story on this?

https://youtu.be/pVG2XFrl-LE

Hot stuff.
Haranguing question after question.

Plenty of 'I want to know'. But no interest in answers. One track minds.

jaymla627

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

What’s the story on this?

https://youtu.be/pVG2XFrl-LE

Sounds like a farmer/farmers where supplying sheds, a factory was bankrolling the rest cattle/feed etc and their was a bit of messing around the vat ( reads like the vat was been payed to farmer on finished animals that where actually the factories who where probably getting it back of farmer) which would be illegal if I’m not mistaken

amacca

Good loser wrote: »

Hot stuff.
Haranguing question after question.

Plenty of 'I want to know'. But no interest in answers. One track minds.

I don't know ...that FG errand boy had a one track mind too......whats going to happen all them cattle when the weather turns ad nauseum.....perhaps its out of context but I didn't find much to admire in his "performance"

I notice he wouldn't engage whatsoever on

feedlots distorting trade....unfair advantage due to vat

offal trade acting as a nice little valve for processors to control trade

irony of keeping 30 month limit despite climate targets etc etc

conflicts of interests with political class etc seemingly screwing the primary producer

.......it seems like the only way to have a hope with sleeveens l is to sow it into them repeatedly into a public a forum as possible.....no point in having a reasoned debate when the other side refuses to address points and instead uses subtle threats...make a good point fairly and its merely brushed under the carpet while the same boyos stay on the gravy train year after year

Nobbies

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

What’s the story on this?

https://youtu.be/pVG2XFrl-LE

That's alo mohan if i,m not mistaken. Chicken famer in the past i believe. Was prominent in the i.f.a some years back i think?remember reading about vat irregularities some years back in chicken farming. full extent i dont know.

Bigbird1

Any word of factorys back killing tomorrow or any time this week now that the protests are over?

Water John

Some posters think we shouldn't be showing up this VAT issue!!!
This is brewing since 2016 when it was noted to the Irish by the EU. But nothing was done about. Wonder how the rest of us would do if we had a VAT issue?

I think all factory pickets have now stood down.

K.G.

I always smile when i hear lads bitching about feedlots. Never once did i hear a fella in a mart saying they weren't accepting bids from a factory feed lot.

Base price

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/final-beef-protests-officially-stand-down-tonight/

Water John

Might not be happy with it but Liffey Meats seems to have guaranteed price of
€3.50 for steers and €3.60 for heifers for six weeks. Better than the €3.20 it seemed to be heading for a few weeks ago.

memorystick

Water John wrote: »

Might not be happy with it but Liffey Meats seems to have guaranteed price of
€3.50 for steers and €3.60 for heifers for six weeks. Better than the €3.20 it seemed to be heading for a few weeks ago.

So the pickets were a success. Well done to everyone who picketed and shame on the snakes who watched from beneath their stones!

_Brian

Water John wrote: »

Might not be happy with it but Liffey Meats seems to have guaranteed price of
€3.50 for steers and €3.60 for heifers for six weeks. Better than the €3.20 it seemed to be heading for a few weeks ago.

Surely a sensible result.
Six weeks is as much as could be expected, even though Brexit is unlikely it’s still an issue to be weary off for all businesses.

Know of lads been holding cattle that they need the cash back on badly, this will be a relief for many.

Water John

Liffey Meats I think supply Lidl and both come out of this a little better than the rest. It should be remembered.

Gael23

Has killing resumed at most factories today?

Bass Reeves

There was a lot of nativity on both sides. However by far the biggest nativity was on the processor and large finisher side. Loads of so called experts have been proven wrong.
While some of Beefplans thinking was not realistic mainly there price talking of 4.5/kg. Processor and large finisher's have created a mess for themselves.

For processors a light has been shone on there businesses that will be hard to turn off. 30 month limit and predatory pricing on certain animal types mainly bulls will put pressure on them to change these tactics.

Another issue for them is VAT on there own feedlots and larger finisher's killing over 1k cattle / year. If we assume that these finisher's kill over 100k/year if the law changes it will cost them 5-7 million euros and that is at present prices when prices rise you can add another million to that.

Generic producer groups have been approved and thus will force up prices and facilitate forward pricing especially for winter and early summer cattle. And Wrangler I know according to you they existed already but these are a totally different beast to your idea of a PG. As well we may see the HR and AA PG's able to negotiate national base prices

Processors as well face the problem that Courts and the law is not an option to stop/manage these strikes/protests. Farmers will not be reluctant to go again and from now on will insist on negotiation while pickets are in place. As well contrary to some experts here chill room's only stay full for so long. I was sick of telling lads that meat can only stay in a chill room for 3-4 weeks max after that there is only a week on the supermarket shelf. As well you cannot replace 30k + of cattle with Polish it any other beef and processing space is also an issue.

The new Beef Forum will be more farmer friendly and will side more with farmers than if processor's had behaved after the first part of the protest. The Government will not want a rehash of this during an election next year and the sword of VAT and maybe labour rules may be held over the processor's.

While no side can claim an outright victory the farmers have changed the rules of the game.

manjou

also having been at liffy a good bit seen alot more of beef industry than realised. There isent as much of a oversupply as people think or being told it did not take many days of no killing to empty stocks and if farmers had banded together better an stoped kill altoghter a week would have been alot. they can pay more but they cannot. there is a huge elephant in room controlling all with rendering plants. 3.75 was on offer last Monday till the factories were told if you pay that your offal will not be processed so that will have to be addressed . but I think alot was achieved and some good came out of it.