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Fire in Douglas - See Mod note in post #506

BurnsCarpenter

Anyone know what's going on? Looks close to m & s maybe.

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Colibri

TK Maxx staff have relocated to the store in town with a number of them going to Homesense, for the meantime.

Chris_5339762

I was not rubbernecking as I was a passenger (disclaimer!) but coming along the south ring yesterday morning there were a lot of people in the top canteen(?) right above tesco on the top floor. Presumably they are using that as a base?

Cork Trucker

Has demolition begun?

Scranton Strangler

That’s the Tesco canteen the staff have been in all week transferring stock to other stores.

TheDriver

Does anyone know if they got the small number of good but trapped cars out??

Cork Trucker

Aldi are beginning construction on their new store once the cinema shuts on October 10th, expected to open in March 2020, I’m sure the traders in the Douglas Village shopping centre won’t be happy about that

zilog_jones

Why do we need another Aldi? The Ballyphehane and Mahon stores are both about 3km from that location (less than 10 minute drive).

Cork Trucker

zilog_jones wrote: »

Why do we need another Aldi? The Ballyphehane and Mahon stores are both about 3km from that location (less than 10 minute drive).

Don’t forget Aldi in Grange as well

dulux99

Because the shop will make money. It's hardly a local amenity, Aldi will stick a shop wherever it thinks it'll make money. They don't put a shop somewhere because they feel it'll be a great addition to the area culturally

snotboogie

dulux99 wrote: »

Because the shop will make money. It's hardly a local amenity, Aldi will stick a shop wherever it thinks it'll make money. They don't put a shop somewhere because they feel it'll be a great addition to the area culturally

I guess the question is more directed at the councilors who gave this planing permission

kub

zilog_jones wrote: »

Why do we need another Aldi? The Ballyphehane and Mahon stores are both about 3km from that location (less than 10 minute drive).

This has been planned for around 6 years at least

JP Liz V1

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Aldi are beginning construction on their new store once the cinema shuts on October 10th, expected to open in March 2020, I’m sure the traders in the Douglas Village shopping centre won’t be happy about that

Lidl to follow soon so

Are all cars gone from Douglas Village SC now?

Hogzy

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Lidl to follow soon so

Are all cars gone from Douglas Village SC now?

The burnt ones are still there anyway!

zilog_jones

Anyone know what's happening? There doesn't appear to have been any activity there for a while now.

Dbu

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Lidl to follow soon so

Are all cars gone from Douglas Village SC now?

Lidl were refused planning permission beside in Barrys field in the last few months.

Cork Trucker

Dbu wrote: »

Lidl were refused planning permission beside in Barrys field in the last few months.

Imagine if they were approved, and they might still go back for permission, at the moment you have, irrespective of the recent fire, Tesco, Marks & Spencer, Dunnes, Soon to be Aldi, Iceland only up the road and if Lidl are eventually approved, that's all just in the Douglas area, pull in Grange/Frankfield and you have Super Valu and the other Aldi. I've never seen so many supermarkets in such close proximity, it's a major traffic bottleneck already, wait until the shopping centre reopens just after this new development. Also i never knew that the relief road at the multistorey car park is privately owned by Clayton Love and not by the city council.

Cork Trucker

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Lidl to follow soon so

Are all cars gone from Douglas Village SC now?

The cars that were burned out are coming down with the demolition phase i think.

dulpit

At this point is it fair to assume that the stories regarding the possibility somebody drove the car into the car park while it was already on fire is not true? Surely if it was something would have come out somewhere?

kub

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Imagine if they were approved, and they might still go back for permission, at the moment you have, irrespective of the recent fire, Tesco, Marks & Spencer, Dunnes, Soon to be Aldi, Iceland only up the road and if Lidl are eventually approved, that's all just in the Douglas area, pull in Grange/Frankfield and you have Super Valu and the other Aldi. I've never seen so many supermarkets in such close proximity, it's a major traffic bottleneck already, wait until the shopping centre reopens just after this new development. Also i never knew that the relief road at the multistorey car park is privately owned by Clayton Love and not by the city council.

I hope whenever that multi storey is reopened that The City Council insist on some changes most especially on the M&S side where this road meets the junction there.

In all my time I have never seen traffic moving so freely during the morning rush hour from the Douglas Court side. Then of course the East Douglas Exit from the N40 no longer has any issues either thanks to the disappearance of the traffic from the Well Road that used to back up the right turning lane heading for the Shopping Centre and invariably block the traffic turing towards the Village from the N40.

Chris_5339762

Yes that is true, but at the expense of much, much worse traffic on the N40 westbound over the Douglas Viaduct because everyone is coming in the N28 direction.

Hibernicis

kub wrote: »

In all my time I have never seen traffic moving so freely during the morning rush hour from the Douglas Court side.

So very true. Driving through Douglas hasn’t been this easy for a long long time

kub wrote: »

I hope whenever that multi storey is reopened……..

One does hope that it will be reopened……… But will it ??

zilog_jones wrote: »

Anyone know what's happening? There doesn't appear to have been any activity there for a while now.

Rumors abound. Tesco apparently quite happy that they can service the market from Wilton/Mahon Point and seriously considering using this as an opportunity to pack up their tent on a store that was barely profitable. Which would start a domino effect and seriously undermine the case for rebuilding. Which would nicely lead in to freeing up the site for a spot of lucrative apartment development.

Of course I don’t believe any of this for a moment. But you never know, do you.

Death knell for Douglas “Village”were it to come to pass.

zilog_jones

I mean more what are the immediate plans? I thought demolition was supposed to start a couple of weeks ago?

dory

The traffic is amazing since the road closed. Pity there’s not a way to reopen Tesco but keep that road closed off.

Cork Trucker

dory wrote: »

The traffic is amazing since the road closed. Pity there’s not a way to reopen Tesco but keep that road closed off.

I'd be in favour of restoring it to the way it was pre multistorey when that road was the car park,that and reinstating the roundabout. But sure, the monkeys with the keys to the cash safe know best.

airy fairy

I remember when planning went in for that carpark, and the public right of way being the reason the road went in there?
I'd imagine Clayton Love doesn't own it anymore though? Surely the county council own that road...city council now?

Cork Trucker

airy fairy wrote: »

I remember when planning went in for that carpark, and the public right of way being the reason the road went in there?
I'd imagine Clayton Love doesn't own it anymore though? Surely the county council own that road...city council now?

Clayton Love confirmed to the echo yesterday he still owns that road, hence it is still closed, he has complete control over it. To be fair it is better maintained that most roads around it.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/No-plan-to-reopen-the-Douglas-shopping-centre-road--312ae922-08a1-4541-8c39-1015b53eb0df-ds

The road, which has become a widely used route linking Douglas east and west, and connecting the village to the South Ring Road, faces the entrance to the Douglas Village shopping centre’s overground car park and is under the ownership of its developer, Clayton Love.

airy fairy

What kind of planner let's a business own a road so important right through the middle of a busy village?
Makes sense now why it's been closed.
I know the road was the old carpark, but still you'd think he'd have to sign over that area to develop a multi storey, as a condition of planning.

Cork Trucker

Deirdre Forde is looking for the road to be signed over, unsure how he managed it, but that road is his baby, i'd love to know was the plaza his idea as well.

Dbu

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Deirdre Forde is looking for the road to be signed over, unsure how he managed it, but that road is his baby, i'd love to know was the plaza his idea as well.

I will be honest, the traffic has never moved better in Douglas in early morning or evening now that stupid lights combo at that junction are not in play

Cork Trucker

Dbu wrote: »

I will be honest, the traffic has never moved better in Douglas in early morning or evening now that that stupid lights combo at that junction are not in play

And you're 100% correct, i'm hoping (what little there is) that they will just redesign it in a way that means the road stays closed, before the redevelopment that shopping centre was still busy but the traffic was still flowing better than it had been upto August 31st. Alas it won't happen as Clayton Love has said it will be rebuilt as it was.