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Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Jimmy Garlic

Climate saint Greta Trunburg is settling sail for UN climate talks in New York to demand that governments socially engineer and tax the little people into oblivion to save the planet. Accompanied by her film maker father who lives vicariously through her, a filthy rich aristocrat from Monaco and some German bloke the trip will no doubt vastly increase the wattage of her halo before she lectures us all about impending climate Armageddon in New York. Hopefully snaps from the trip will make it into Hello! Magazine.

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Thelonious Monk

And living standards shouldnt be measured on materials and consumption or GDP. Sometimes less is more and you cant buy happiness.

Pa ElGrande

The yellow vests protests are still ongoing you remember the ones sparked by trying to eliminate worker access to fossil fuels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwKtVo5whVY

Thelonious Monk

MrMusician - how do you expect living standards to stay the same without messing up the whole planet or are you happy to be on that trajectory?

MrMusician18

KyussB wrote: »

The majority of the main posters here claiming there are no solutions, are the same ones who were dismissing solutions presented to them, as 'Communism!' earlier.

These are the same people, who would see Capitalism self-destruct through gradual climate change.

Many of these people are Libertarians who have retooled their rhetoric, against climate change - several of the posters in this thread have been citing Libertarian/oil-oligarch think tanks and all.

What are the solutions? because I'd like to hear them.
Every solution I've seen involved reducing living standards, be that either through taxation and/or the introduction of new more expensive technologies. The alternative is to shrink the human population, which brings it's own problems.

There is no solution that allows for carbon reduction whilst at the same time elevating or even maintaining living standards.

Pa ElGrande

KyussB wrote: »

The majority of the main posters here claiming there are no solutions, are the same ones who were dismissing solutions presented to them, as 'Communism!' earlier.

These are the same people, who would see Capitalism self-destruct through gradual climate change.

Many of these people are Libertarians who have retooled their rhetoric, against climate change - several of the posters in this thread have been citing Libertarian/oil-oligarch think tanks and all.

They actually quoted from the socialists that wrote the green new deal and it is endorsed by the communist party of America.

Capitalism is not a system of government and your linking it with climate change clearly demonstrates your agenda where feasibility is being replaced by ideology, and anybody that pushes back on your extremism and expresses common sense are labelled as an enemy of the environment, a denier and someone who needs to be morally punished.

Rockbeast2

* Sorry, PalGrande :-(

I do respect your posts. Sorry for venting in wrong place.

whisky_galore

Micky 32 wrote: »

But didn't a load of green councillors get voted in though?

Can you quantify 'a load'?

Is it like 'a hape'?

jimmynokia

JMMCapital wrote: »

She’s a great little girl bless her.

She is nothing but a puppet on a string told what to say backed by certain media only a few have called out on her antics and have a real approach on it.

Jimmy Garlic

Micky 32 wrote: »

But didn't a load of green councillors get voted in though?

Exaggerated way beyond belief. A party that was basically wiped out nearly a decade ago gained a handfull of council seats in the usual areas they haunt, ie middle class suburbs. The "green wave" was purely pr spin peddled by the Irish media, where real journalism is rarer than unicorns.

KyussB

The majority of the main posters here claiming there are no solutions, are the same ones who were dismissing solutions presented to them, as 'Communism!' earlier.

These are the same people, who would see Capitalism self-destruct through gradual climate change.

Many of these people are Libertarians who have retooled their rhetoric, against climate change - several of the posters in this thread have been citing Libertarian/oil-oligarch think tanks and all.

Pa ElGrande

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

I earn . . .

Start your own topic this is not that thread.

Rockbeast2

I earn quite a bit over 50k a year.

Why did a certain City Council outbid me when the 1-bed apartment I've been renting/living in for 6 years went up for sale?

The "Council Person" actually brought 4 MEN ( from Nigeria - yeah, yeah, yeah, not a racist, have black friends, etc.) into my apartment upon a viewing and asked what they would like to be changed...

It's a 1-bed apartment
Why are my taxes being used to outbid me?
Refugees from Nigeria?
Those 4 lads will never work.
I have the viewing on camera, with clear audio, so sue me and be damned.

Pa ElGrande

For the person that asked it depends on which temperature dataset you want to use but if you go with the HADCRUT dataset then it's 0.3 C rise over 20 years and only 1 C over the pre-industrial era and if you are worried about floods and droughts there continues to "be a lack of evidence and thus low confidence regarding the sign of trend in the magnitude and/or frequency of floods on a global scale."

Floods and Droughts

There continues to be a lack of evidence and thus low confidence regarding the sign of trend in the magnitude and/or frequency of floods on a global scale over the instrumental record. There is high confidence that past floods larger than those recorded since 1900 have occurred during the past five centuries in northern and central Europe, western Mediterranean region, and eastern Asia. There is medium confidence that modern large floods are comparable to or surpass historical floods in magnitude and/or frequency in the Near East, India and central North America. {2.6.2, 5.5.5}Compelling arguments both for and against significant increases in the land area affected by drought and/or dryness since the mid-20th century have resulted in a low confidence assessment of observed and attributable large-scale trends. This is due primarily to a lack and quality of direct observations, dependencies of inferred trends on the index choice, geographical inconsistencies in the trends and difficulties in distinguishing decadal scale variability from long term trends. On millennial time scales, there is high confidence that proxy information provides evidence of droughts of greater magnitude and longer duration than observed during the 20th century in many regions. There is medium confidence that more megadroughts occurred in monsoon Asia and wetter conditions prevailed in arid Central Asia and the South American monsoon region during the Little Ice Age (1450 to 1850) compared to the Medieval Climate Anomaly (950 to 1250). {2.6.2, 5.5.4, 5.5.5, 10.6.1}

source

And tidal gauge data sea levels were rising at a similar rate in the early 20th century, so there is no evidence of acceleration, as the IPCC admitted in AR5 when back in 1992 they were experting 5mm per annum it has not happened.

It is very likely that the mean rate of global averaged sea level rise was 1.7 [1.5 to 1.9] mm yr–1 between 1901 and 2010, 2.0 [1.7 to 2.3] mm yr–1 between 1971 and 2010, and 3.2 [2.8 to 3.6] mm yr–1 between 1993 and 2010. Tide-gauge and satellite altimeter data are consistent regarding the higher rate of the latter period. It is likely that similarly high rates occurred between 1920 and 1950. {3.7}

source

So if you listen to the scientists the reality is that the world’s climate is not becoming more extreme, nor is it changing faster than expected. And it certainly is not "scary".

Micky 32

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The green wave that was talked up by the IT/RTE at the euro elections turned out to be nothing more than a ripple.

I'd be hugely surprised if they make great gains. When people see that their policy is effectively taking away the nice things in life, they will be seen as the true party of austerity (in the Puritan sense).

Who genuinely is going to vote for a party that means they will no longer be able to afford a holiday?

But didn't a load of green councillors get voted in though?

Wanderer78

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The green wave that was talked up by the IT/RTE at the euro elections turned out to be nothing more than a ripple.

I'd be hugely surprised if they make great gains. When people see that their policy is effectively taking away the nice things in life, they will be seen as the true party of austerity (in the Puritan sense).

Who genuinely is going to vote for a party that means they will no longer be able to afford a holiday?

largely disagree, the green wave is here to stay, but the votes maybe not turn up in parties such as the green party, its interesting to watch major parties such as ff and fg scramble to address this, and their polices are becoming more green. the green wave is actually working by influencing the direction of all political parties, i personally think major parties such as ff and fg will always play a significant role in irish politics, but smaller parties such as the greens will continuously try influence them, with reasonable success in some cases.

ive always places the greens at the higher end of my ballot paper, because i believe in what they believe in, but i would disagree with some of their polices, strongly sometimes

MrMusician18

Wanderer78 wrote: »

You're gonna be very upset next year then

The green wave that was talked up by the IT/RTE at the euro elections turned out to be nothing more than a ripple.

I'd be hugely surprised if they make great gains. When people see that their policy is effectively taking away the nice things in life, they will be seen as the true party of austerity (in the Puritan sense).

Who genuinely is going to vote for a party that means they will no longer be able to afford a holiday?

Rockbeast2

The tide has turned.

The lies are exposed.

To paraphrase leo vampire: Let's reduce our carbon emissions by increasing the population by (at least 20%)...??

How does that work exactly?

* I note for the record that the vampire one has no children.

Thelonious Monk

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I can't tell if it's a girl or a boy. I can't tell if it's American or Irish. Probably gender neutral. If thats the future of this country we're ****ed

So youre giving me sh*t over living in a council estate and you cant stand kids nowadays who talk different. What type of people are you able to tolerate?

Wanderer78

Fan of Netflix wrote:

Problem is Fianna Fail might make a coalition with them and give Eamon Ryan power again. They only need 5 or 6 seats. Hopefully by next May people will be sick of their BS again.

You're gonna be very upset next year then

Fan of Netflix

Micky 32 wrote: »

The scary part is the Greens could gain momentum, with all these upcoming voters, the greens are rubbing their snobby rich hands with these young protestors..

I think we've hit peak Green Party. They are a bunch of arrogant clowns that half wrecked the country before.

Problem is Fianna Fail might make a coalition with them and give Eamon Ryan power again. They only need 5 or 6 seats. Hopefully by next May people will be sick of their BS again.

Wanderer78

Rockbeast2 wrote:

I can prove at least one "Greta supporter" is a paid shill.

There's far more of us on the books, it's easy money to be honest

Pa ElGrande

seamus wrote: »

If it reduces usage and encourages change to things that pollute less, then it helps.

Who it disproportionately affects is irrelevant.

I see a problem with your grand plan, it's not very green because you ignored recycling the humans that are surplus to your requirements.

Rockbeast2

It's a cult and in this cult the prophets get paid.

I can prove at least one "Greta supporter" is a paid shill.

Treat the environment well, that IS an issue, but if anyone tells you that you can affect the climate, they are either brainwashed or braindead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtBwoinDS18

Micky 32

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

He's typical Green Party. Astounding arrogance

The scary part is the Greens could gain momentum, with all these upcoming voters, the greens are rubbing their snobby rich hands with these young protestors..

Gaoth Laidir

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I know, right?
Well unfortunately the real world isn't really working out is it, we're destroying everything. The American accent that kids have that grates on you so much isn't specific to Dublin by the way, you'll find them all over Ireland. I wouldn't let it bother you.

Yes, such as that freckled red-haired Irish cáilín from Limerick featured on the news on Thursday as she prepared her propaganda. I can't quite place her accent but I may have been California. No, New Mexico. Or was it Idaho? Actually, it may have had a slight bit of Limerick in it too, but very faint.

Micky 32

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I can't tell if it's a girl or a boy. I can't tell if it's American or Irish. Probably gender neutral. If thats the future of this country we're ****ed

I really wouldn't like to be living in this country in the next 10-20 years, especially with attitudes of a certain above poster.

Fan of Netflix

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Sure who cares if the poor go cold in their houses.

Who it disproportionally affects is irrelevant, yeah Seamus.

He's typical Green Party. Astounding arrogance

Fan of Netflix

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

I see what you mean about the American accent. This enterprising one is from Skibereen and has all the politicians lingo of saying nothing substantive while taking up air time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr7fF8WjUiM

https://twitter.com/FFFireland

I can't tell if it's a girl or a boy. I can't tell if it's American or Irish. Probably gender neutral. If thats the future of this country we're ****ed

MrMusician18

seamus wrote: »

If it reduces usage and encourages change to things that pollute less, then it helps.

Who it disproportionately affects is irrelevant.

Sure who cares if the poor go cold in their houses. It might lead to a decrease in the surplus population...

Who it disproportionally affects is irrelevant, yeah Seamus.

Micky 32

suicide_circus wrote: »

especially if its not you

Oh don't worry it won't. Pity there are rules on this forum for getting banned ( deep breaths)