The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

@gormdubhgorm your posts are too lengthy to keep quoting and debating for any extended period as it's too time consuming- we can pencil in some time this week for when we go around in circles again.

In response to your key points, the inter-county game is ruined as Dublin will continue to dominate indefinitely in the current setup as they are unfairly advantaged. People will lose interest both because of the victories but also the unfairness that they are founded on.

Re: the first half of the replay, good football for sure. Wouldn't say the highest standard ever however. There are problems with gaelic football, unrelated to Dublin (more to do with the rules as they currently are) that make it less enjoyable for the spectator these days- these things would include less long range point shooting, less high fielding from kickouts, excessive handpassing and others.

But the problem is that Dublin's superior strength and conditioning and bench mean they will always pull away from teams- Cork, Meath, Mayo and Kerry weren't all "unlucky" to be thrashed in the second half the way they were.

Financial doping is a good phrase as I've previously explained for the reasons mentioned in my last post. I've always said Dublin have some brilliant footballers. I'm sure they work hard too. But without the money they would not have as much success, without a doubt.

Once again you hark back to Ewan Mackenna. Other pundits were talking about the funding and splitting Dublin for various reasons this week- McStay, O'Rourke, Sean Moran- are they all brainwashed rabid Dublin haters too?

tritium wrote: »

But dublin had to be funded- they’d actually underachieved up to that point, partially, in football at least, due to the financial and administrative doping of the Kerry juggernaut over the decades but also due to wanton neglect of dublin as a fanbase. The only question now it’s worked to an extent (albeit it’s hard to say how emphatic a success it is as the result is blurred by the once in a lifetime talent that was in dublin at the same time) is how do we roll out a funding and development plan on a transferable way to other counties. Basically we should be aiming to move away from the historical model of the past hundred years where no one questions one team effectively being basically dropped into the AI at semi final stage almost every year and hovering up >60% of provincial titles to one where each province has 3-4 strong teams with a chance of winning. Splitting dublin is way down the list of actions to achieve that

There was no financial doping of Kerry compared to what has gone on in Dublin. If you want the provincials done away it, I've already said that would be fine- the answer wasn't to financially dope Dublin in response.

Also the provincials were less beneficial to Kerry for the last 30 or so years as A. Cork and Clare won more than Kerry from 1987 to 2000 and B. You had qualifiers/ quarter finals and later the super 8s which meant more games and chances for all teams.

This isn't a once in a lifetime Dublin team- they will keep winning indefinitely.

tritium wrote: »

I assume you’ll agree that the “financial doping” of Kerry over the decades is also unfair then even though they’ve also spent money well (and used the administrative advantages well also)

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Also applying term 'financial doping' to the Dublin GAA or any form of GAA is laughable in the exteme.
Even looking at the defintion from Collins dictiionary

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/financial-doping

"
financial doping
noun sport
1.
the situation in which a sports franchise borrows heavily in order to contract and pay high-performing players, jeopardizing their long-term financial future
2.
the situation in which the owner of a sports franchise invests his or her own personal wealth into securing high-performing players, rather than relying on the revenue the franchise is able to generate for itself"

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None of this seems remotely applicable to the GAA

https://www.gaa.ie/the-gaa/about-the-gaa/

"The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland’s largest sporting organisation. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.

It is part of the Irish consciousness and plays an influential role in Irish society that extends far beyond the basic aim of promoting Gaelic games."

Got a good laugh off this one, of of the most unintentionally hilarious posts on this thread.

kyote00 wrote: »

its probably time to move on as gaffer91 is 'trolling' at this stage.....

His tune has changed since these old posts - no sign of the doping ****e in 2013

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86318844&postcount=424

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86311516&postcount=184

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79752253&postcount=144

It was the ref doping here "
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86672743&postcount=1038
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86672353&postcount=1028
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86687265&postcount=1148

wow !
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86688121&postcount=1158

Some very, very good posts there, makes a good change from this thread. I've always slagged off the standard of officiating in Gaelic Games- refs can and do win or lose games and I've said as much. Most recently I commented on Wexford-Tipperary as a neutral, where if Tipperary lost, they could legitimately have blamed the ref.

I wasn't aware of the financial doping in 2013 hence why I didn't factor it in, not sure when my awakening occurred. I have always thought a two way split of Dublin was justified on population grounds alone however.

omega man wrote: »

Hadn’t realised you were from Kerry gaffer91. Explains your current state of depression with GAA and Dublin’s 5 in a row!

More of a supporter of Gaelic Games as a whole than Kerry- for instance I would be just as quick to criticise any unfair advantages Kerry have if they were ruining the game in a manner equivalent to Dublin.

If anything, those posts show I genuinely do have no animosity towards Dublin. Like I have said, Dublin GAA will benefit from a split as well. I'm pleased to see this becoming a more common conversation these days.

Don't mind teams winning as long as it is on a level playing field (for instance Kilkenny).

Hadn’t realised you were from Kerry gaffer91. Explains your current state of depression with GAA and Dublin’s 5 in a row!

kyote00

its probably time to move on as gaffer91 is 'trolling' at this stage.....

His tune has changed since these old posts - no sign of the doping ****e in 2013

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86318844&postcount=424

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86311516&postcount=184

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79752253&postcount=144

It was the ref doping here "
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86672743&postcount=1038
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86672353&postcount=1028
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86687265&postcount=1148

wow !
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86688121&postcount=1158

Also applying term 'financial doping' to the Dublin GAA or any form of GAA is laughable in the exteme.
Even looking at the defintion from Collins dictiionary

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/financial-doping

"
financial doping
noun sport
1.
the situation in which a sports franchise borrows heavily in order to contract and pay high-performing players, jeopardizing their long-term financial future
2.
the situation in which the owner of a sports franchise invests his or her own personal wealth into securing high-performing players, rather than relying on the revenue the franchise is able to generate for itself"

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None of this seems remotely applicable to the GAA

https://www.gaa.ie/the-gaa/about-the-gaa/

"The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland’s largest sporting organisation. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.

It is part of the Irish consciousness and plays an influential role in Irish society that extends far beyond the basic aim of promoting Gaelic games."

tritium

gaffer91 wrote: »

You did post several charts and they did indeed show that Dublin's title count has drastically increased. I didn't comment on your "analysis" because it was a load of wordy garbage and it was irrelevant to the point I was making.

I'd qualify that and say more funding = more success, not necessarily a guaranteed victory in every code and every level every single year. But the actual evidence you seek has been provided many times, you have just chosen to disregard it as you are a biased Dublin supporter with your head in the sand. You'd rather see the inter-county game ruined than the playing field leveled- not a true supporter of Gaelic games in other words.

Many ways- enhanced backroom teams, improved development of talented players, improved standard of Dublin club competitions and many many more ways.

You realise the argument you are making is that money has no impact on sporting results- it's absolutely absurd.

Why do you keep repeating this lie? I've said numerous times that funding isn't the sole reason. Please stop lying so much.

It actually enhanced my argument, that's probably why you won't repeat it.

Not automatic i.e the money would have to be spent well. Dublin do seem to have done this in fairness. Although we're not talking peanuts here, we're talking tens of millions of euro.

"Financial doping" is a good term as it implies that the Dublin success is unfair, not attainable or replicable by any other county and gives them an unfair advantage on every other county. It also implies that they wouldn't have had this level of success without the money. All of this is completely true.

I think I may understand a little bit more about the GAA, and sport in general, than people who think funding is irrelevant so sporting outcomes in the 21st century, that home pitch advantage doesn't matter and that having a playing pool 6 times the average doesn't confer any advantage.

Any of those things individually would be a huge benefit but taken together you have the perfect storm for endless Dublin dominance.

And seriously- you and all Dublin fans should realise how tiresome this victim act is. You've been favoured hugely by the organisation and still you whinge.

I assume you’ll agree that the “financial doping” of Kerry over the decades is also unfair then even though they’ve also spent money well (and used the administrative advantages well also)

tritium

gaffer91 wrote: »

It's been provided many times- see the charts Gachla and gormdubhgorm posted for an easily digestible and understandable snapshot of how Dublin successes at all grades in all codes have improved hugely since the financial doping started in the early 2000s (from a relatively successful base too). See how Leinster has been destroyed. See how Dublin have won 6 of the last 7 All-Irelands.

Again there is no begrudgery- I have no problem with success, just with success coming from an unfair platform, as Dublin's does. No animosity towards Dubs either. I just want the appropriate steps to be taken to ensure the survival of the game we all love- these steps will have to include splitting Dublin.

But dublin had to be funded- they’d actually underachieved up to that point, partially, in football at least, due to the financial and administrative doping of the Kerry juggernaut over the decades but also due to wanton neglect of dublin as a fanbase. The only question now it’s worked to an extent (albeit it’s hard to say how emphatic a success it is as the result is blurred by the once in a lifetime talent that was in dublin at the same time) is how do we roll out a funding and development plan on a transferable way to other counties. Basically we should be aiming to move away from the historical model of the past hundred years where no one questions one team effectively being basically dropped into the AI at semi final stage almost every year and hovering up >60% of provincial titles to one where each province has 3-4 strong teams with a chance of winning. Splitting dublin is way down the list of actions to achieve that

gaffer91 wrote: »

You did post several charts and they did indeed show that Dublin's title count has drastically increased. I didn't comment on your "analysis" because it was a load of wordy garbage and it was irrelevant to the point I was making.

I'd qualify that and say more funding = more success, not necessarily a guaranteed victory in every code and every level every single year. But the actual evidence you seek has been provided many times, you have just chosen to disregard it as you are a biased Dublin supporter with your head in the sand. You'd rather see the inter-county game ruined than the playing field leveled- not a true supporter of Gaelic games in other words.

Many ways- enhanced backroom teams, improved development of talented players, improved standard of Dublin club competitions and many many more ways.

You realise the argument you are making is that money has no impact on sporting results- it's absolutely absurd.

Why do you keep repeating this lie? I've said numerous times that funding isn't the sole reason. Please stop lying so much.

It actually enhanced my argument, that's probably why you won't repeat it.

Not automatic i.e the money would have to be spent well. Dublin do seem to have done this in fairness. Although we're not talking peanuts here, we're talking tens of millions of euro.

"Financial doping" is a good term as it implies that the Dublin success is unfair, not attainable or replicable by any other county and gives them an unfair advantage on every other county. It also implies that they wouldn't have had this level of success without the money. All of this is completely true.

I think I may understand a little bit more about the GAA, and sport in general, than people who think funding is irrelevant so sporting outcomes in the 21st century, that home pitch advantage doesn't matter and that having a playing pool 6 times the average doesn't confer any advantage.

Any of those things individually would be a huge benefit but taken together you have the perfect storm for endless Dublin dominance.

And seriously- you and all Dublin fans should realise how tiresome this victim act is. You've been favoured hugely by the organisation and still you whinge.

Come on it is clear you are playing a game here I already clearly listed all the Dublin club fooball champions beaten by Longford, Wicklow, Roscommon and Galway county champions 2013 -2019.
I also listed how the intercounty hurlers for Dublin have dipped since 2013.
Yet you have somehow managed to twist this into supporting your arguments!

How is the intercounty game ruined?
Dublin have clearly raised the bar with a fantastic level of tactical astuteness and skill level

Look at this tactical analysis by non Dubs how Dublin managed to survive with 14 men in the drawn game.

You obviously must have been walking the dog during the first half of the second Dublin v Kerry final?
Have you ever seen a standard higher?
It is clear Dublin have improved the GAA and drove Kerry on to improve as well.
Contrary to your gaelic football is ruined hyperbole.

The phrase you use 'financial doping' was coined by a French soccer manager in a professional sport where players can be purchased.
It was then appropriated as a misguided form of insult for Dublin GAA from a shock jock journalistic who merely looks to be a WUM regardless of the subject.
Then the likes of yourself buy into this because you are willing to be brainwashed and unwilling to make any credible analysis.
You are his 'market'

Looking at your points about financial doping you say it implies that Dublin have an unfair advantage.
No it does not. It implies that it is nothing to do with Dublin's skill and tactics etc.
It is a blinkered viewpoint and is merely an easy soundbite with no real evidence when looked at Dublin GAA as a whole.
You say Dublin would not have had success without money and it is completely true? How is it completely true?

Can tactical ingenuity, speed of thought and mental strength be bought?
How many of Dublin's finals in the five in a row were won by more than one score?

Also you erroneously make the hyperbolic claim that other counties cannot replicate the success Dublin have achieved.
Recently Kerry have just done it in minor football. Cork have eclipsed it in ladies football.
And most telling of all in the first game v Kerry it was clear Kerry were adopting Dublin's tactics of the high press. So it can clearly be replicated and very nearly worked.

Also you go on about the 'home' pitch the Dublin hurlers do terribly when forced to play in Croke Park outside Parnell Park. Do you view Croke Park as the hurlers home pitch as well? Or does it not matter to you because they are not good there it does not suit your argument?

Also you speak of the playing pool having a large playing pool surely means there is more funding required not less.
A large playing pool does not automitcally equate to a high standard - otherwise China would be doing well in soccer world cups.
There is also the added problems of vast areas of Dublin which have no GAA or just one club for a large population.
You never seem to see those issues surprisingly.
Also economics of scale and so on -Example tyrone built a completed centre of excellence for 1m less than the price of just a site of land the DCB bought in the spawell.
You only seem to know one phrase 'financial doping' which is from the school of Donald Trump thinking 'Crooked Hillary' 'Drain the swamp'.
The simple people then get swayed by the phrases if they are repeated often enough.
With no real scrutiny attached to them.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Again you are deliberately using my username to take my post out of context of any real analysis.

You did post several charts and they did indeed show that Dublin's title count has drastically increased. I didn't comment on your "analysis" because it was a load of wordy garbage and it was irrelevant to the point I was making.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You have yet to provided actual evidence that more funding = success in the GAA.

I'd qualify that and say more funding = more success, not necessarily a guaranteed victory in every code and every level every single year. But the actual evidence you seek has been provided many times, you have just chosen to disregard it as you are a biased Dublin supporter with your head in the sand. You'd rather see the inter-county game ruined than the playing field leveled- not a true supporter of Gaelic games in other words.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Where exactly has this money contributed to the improvement of players?

Many ways- enhanced backroom teams, improved development of talented players, improved standard of Dublin club competitions and many many more ways.

You realise the argument you are making is that money has no impact on sporting results- it's absolutely absurd.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You seem to be under misguided impression that funding is the sole reason for Dublin footballs success.

Why do you keep repeating this lie? I've said numerous times that funding isn't the sole reason. Please stop lying so much.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Look at intercounty hurling, club football your argument falls apart - I won't repeat all those again

It actually enhanced my argument, that's probably why you won't repeat it.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You seem to still be of the misguided believe that more funding equates to success automatically. Therefore if is some form of 'doping'.

Not automatic i.e the money would have to be spent well. Dublin do seem to have done this in fairness. Although we're not talking peanuts here, we're talking tens of millions of euro.

"Financial doping" is a good term as it implies that the Dublin success is unfair, not attainable or replicable by any other county and gives them an unfair advantage on every other county. It also implies that they wouldn't have had this level of success without the money. All of this is completely true.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

By the very fact you use the phrase 'financial doping' indicates a lack of knowledge by you on how the GAA works, and clearly indicates that you have a high level of begrudgery despite your faux protestations to the contrary.

I think I may understand a little bit more about the GAA, and sport in general, than people who think funding is irrelevant so sporting outcomes in the 21st century, that home pitch advantage doesn't matter and that having a playing pool 6 times the average doesn't confer any advantage.

Any of those things individually would be a huge benefit but taken together you have the perfect storm for endless Dublin dominance.

And seriously- you and all Dublin fans should realise how tiresome this victim act is. You've been favoured hugely by the organisation and still you whinge.

gaffer91 wrote: »

It's been provided many times- see the charts Gachla and gormdubhgorm posted for an easily digestible and understandable snapshot of how Dublin successes at all grades in all codes have improved hugely since the financial doping started in the early 2000s (from a relatively successful base too). See how Leinster has been destroyed. See how Dublin have won 6 of the last 7 All-Irelands.

Again there is no begrudgery- I have no problem with success, just with success coming from an unfair platform, as Dublin's does. No animosity towards Dubs either. I just want the appropriate steps to be taken to ensure the survival of the game we all love- these steps will have to include splitting Dublin.

Again you are deliberately using my username to take my post out of context of any real analysis.
You have yet to provided actual evidence that more funding = success in the GAA.
Has more funding in development grants for Derry meant more success than Donegal for example ?
Where exactly has this money contributed to the improvement of players?
They are amateur lads working for a living.
You seem to be under misguided impression that funding is the sole reason for Dublin footballs success.
Look at intercounty hurling, club football your argument falls apart - I won't repeat all those again
You seem to still be of the misguided believe that more funding equates to success automatically. Therefore if is some form of 'doping'.

By the very fact you use the phrase 'financial doping' indicates a lack of knowledge by you on how the GAA works, and clearly indicates that you have a high level of begrudgery despite your faux protestations to the contrary.

Happyilylost wrote: »

Mentioned in both articles

Fair enough but I’m sure there’s more than only 1000 pp holders.

Happyilylost

omega man wrote:

There are DCB â€˜Parnell passâ€™ season tickets as well as separate GAA Dublin season tickets.

Mentioned in both articles

Happyilylost wrote: »

10,000 season ticket holders??? Seriously lads let's try and stick to some sort of facts.

https://www.wearedublin.com/football/dublin-supporters-outnumber-tyrone-fans/

https://www.irishexaminer.com › ...
Web results
Dublin fans could outnumber their Omagh hosts on Saturday - Irish Examiner

More or less same article from two sources putting the figure no where near 10,000. Be impossible for the Gaa to allow numbers to reach that amount with the number of small stadiums around the country.

There are DCB ‘Parnell pass’ season tickets as well as separate GAA Dublin season tickets.

Happyilylost

omega man wrote: »

What would be the loss of revenue for the gaa in taking dublin out for all those games? Croke Park would be empty most of the year. Who benefits from this?
How many thousands of fans will miss out on seeing these games due to Parnell Parks capacity? Dublin have at least 10K season ticket holders if not more.

10,000 season ticket holders??? Seriously lads let's try and stick to some sort of facts.

https://www.wearedublin.com/football/dublin-supporters-outnumber-tyrone-fans/

https://www.irishexaminer.com › ...
Web results
Dublin fans could outnumber their Omagh hosts on Saturday - Irish Examiner

More or less same article from two sources putting the figure no where near 10,000. Be impossible for the Gaa to allow numbers to reach that amount with the number of small stadiums around the country.

omega man wrote: »

@gaffer91 you still haven’t provided any evidence of financial doping. You just waffle on repeating the same bitter begrudging crap.

It's been provided many times- see the charts Gachla and gormdubhgorm posted for an easily digestible and understandable snapshot of how Dublin successes at all grades in all codes have improved hugely since the financial doping started in the early 2000s (from a relatively successful base too). See how Leinster has been destroyed. See how Dublin have won 6 of the last 7 All-Irelands.

Again there is no begrudgery- I have no problem with success, just with success coming from an unfair platform, as Dublin's does. No animosity towards Dubs either. I just want the appropriate steps to be taken to ensure the survival of the game we all love- these steps will have to include splitting Dublin.

@gaffer91 you still haven’t provided any evidence of financial doping. You just waffle on repeating the same bitter begrudging crap.

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Think it was 16 championship games. 9 league games then as well plus 3 concerts I think.

Take Dublin out of there bar the neutral game in Super 8s, Leinster Final and All Ireland Semi and final and it would be 14 championship and 5 league games so 19 games in total this year (albeit league hurling final and quarter finals usually wouldn't be held there).

And at that would be by a distance most used stadium for County games. And you know what I forgot the club finals ( intermediate and junior as well not just Paddy's Day) and also lower tier hurling finals. Not sure I have much position on the argument in general only that yeah it is an advantage. No harm highlighting it but not a caveat to 5 in a row.

What would be the loss of revenue for the gaa in taking dublin out for all those games? Croke Park would be empty most of the year. Who benefits from this?
How many thousands of fans will miss out on seeing these games due to Parnell Parks capacity? Dublin have at least 10K season ticket holders if not more.

tritium wrote: »

Nah, if you were pro Gaelic games you’d have explained how you plan to make the leitrims of this world successful

Instead you’ve explained how you’d make Kerry the top dog again on the back of all the historic advantages they’ve built up over weaker counties.

Well the first thing to do to help Leitrim is to actually ensure the survival of the competition- people are rapidly losing interest in this uncompetitive farce because of Dublin's unfair advantages. So splitting Dublin would indeed help the smaller counties, partly by just ensuring they have a competition to compete in.

kyote00 wrote: »

Incorrect. They don't get millions more.

Most of your post is just the usual nonsense but I don't even know how someone can have read any of these threads and still draw this conclusion.

The Games development funds are easily searched for- Dublin received over 10 times as much as Cork, the next highest, receiving 15.4 million more. THey also received money from the Irish sports council in the late 2000s, adding up to around 5 million. They also have sponsorship deals that dwarf every other county.

This isn't even counting Croke Park and the other facilities Dublin have on their doorstep that they contribute little or nothing towards.

blanch152 wrote: »

I have previously posted this reply to you outlining Kerry's unfair advantages for over a century, yet you ignore it in your replies and keep spouting nonsense.

You posted something but you'd forgive me for thinking you were joking because it was such inane drivel.

The provincial structure can be done away with, it's only really beneficial for weaker counties these days to give them a chance to challenge for some silverware. Anyway, it may have been a very small historical advantage to Kerry, but it's not a patch on the financial doping, population and other advantages Dublin enjoy.

Also, provincial championships didn't help teams from the semi-finals onwards back in the day, the quarter finals on until 2017 and the super 8s onwards currently- Dublin enjoy the benefits of their financial doping, population and home advantage for ALL games.

Again, it's not just the outcomes for Dublin- it's the fact they enjoy unfair advantages that need to be rectified.

omega man wrote: »

@gaffer91 your cherry picked responses are weak at best. I’ve seen no evidence from you which even slightly backs up your financial doping claims.

Can I ask if the answer to your problem is ‘split dublin’ then how does that address your funding or croke Park advantage complaints?

I've already answered this- bascially regarding funding, it ensures that the financial doping is dispersed among 4 teams rather than just one and so will have less effect (this will also help the population).

Croke Park is a separate issue- teams will have to play away or at neutral venues more frequently.

Floppybits wrote: »

Some folk really have taken Dublin winning 5 in a row well, you'd be worried about them. I wonder the response be the same if any other county won 5 in a row or is it just Dublin?

No other county is unfairly advantaged like Dublin are- why do people not understand it's not just the victories but the fact they come from a position involving financial doping and massive population advantage?

bruschi wrote: »

But again, a poster from Roscommon makes a point and in response he gets some guff about the Kerry group and yerra. Which has what to do with his point?

This isnt a Dublin dominance thread about their nearest competitors, this is about all the other counties wanting to be afforded the same funding and coaching opportunities that up until recently were 100% only given to Dublin and now only have a minuscule amount of counties who have partial access to it.

That poster that commented about Kerry Group did not make much sense I agree.
As for the coaching and funding for coaching.
I would argue that there are many cost effective ways of giving coaching to all in this day and age.
All it would take is a bit of innovation.
There could be coaching seminars given online, instruction videos and so on.
Then the games development administrator does not have to be there physically, as any coach in a club can view the tips and drills.
Some people seem to mention 'sports science' as if it was Dublin that invented it and other counties are unaware of it's mystical powers or something.
Most counties have access to third level institutions or people with third level training - S&C, games analysis.
It all boils down to preparation, practicing the skills, rest recovery and nutrition.
It is not as complicated or as expensive as some like to make it out that it needs to be.
Nevermind all the latest fads about cryotherapy/high altitude training and the like. Where there is not proof that it is actually more beneficial than yoga/pilates for GAA players on the field of play.

If a county like leitrim was given 10m how do you think this would benefit them?
For a start most of it would have be pumped into more facilities and infrastructure that would even be before you get to any coaching.
Even though Leitrim have thier own 'Centre of Excellence' already

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2019/0907/1074500-leitrim-wall/

But I assume they would like more infrastructure as Leitrim is only a small county.

Leitrim currently has three full time games administrators for a population of just over 30,000 and a total of just 24 clubs.

https://www.leitrimobserver.ie/news/national-sports/369643/meet-leitrim-s-gdas.html

These are people that obviously fulfilled these criteria

https://www.leitrimgaa.ie/2017/09/job-advertisement-games-development-administrator-leitrim-gaa/

"Excellent Gaelic football coaching skills with a minimum of 3 years’ practical coaching experience in a professional or voluntary capacity;
Third Level degree in Sports Science or a related area;
Award 1 level GAA coaching qualification;
Clear and detailed knowledge of the GAA’s coaching schemes and initiatives;
Strong organisation and problem solving skills with a demonstrable ability to work in high-pressure situations;
Exceptional interpersonal and teamwork skills with a demonstrable ability to build and sustain good relationships and manage conflict;
Strong administrative, IT and reporting skills;
Demonstrable ability to effectively manage multiple projects and deadlines; hands-on approach to getting things done."

I don't think other counties are as badly off as people are making out. The main difference is of course is the quality of player and the quality of manager they have to work with. All the sports science in the world is not going to change that.

mountgomery burns

Strumms wrote: »

Parnell Park has a published capacity of 13,499. Therefore not fit for purpose. Because of its location is not suitable for expansion.

To suit the ‘Dublin not in croker’ brigade should the Dubs invest millions in building ANOTHER stadium ? Enabling Croke Park to become a white elephant with about four to six games and one concert per year ? A facility not exactly overburdened as it is just seeing say 8-10 days of usage out of 365 if you include potential replays and gigs etc ? That’s not a good scenario. A stadium operational for one day every 52 on average.

Look at building or expanding stadiums outside Dublin. Though do Parc Ui Caoimh or Semple require expansion for their usage and demand for tickets ?

No easy solution, the more it’s looked at the status quo seems while not perfect, the lesser ‘evil’ certainly...

Think it was 16 championship games. 9 league games then as well plus 3 concerts I think.

Take Dublin out of there bar the neutral game in Super 8s, Leinster Final and All Ireland Semi and final and it would be 14 championship and 5 league games so 19 games in total this year (albeit league hurling final and quarter finals usually wouldn't be held there).

And at that would be by a distance most used stadium for County games. And you know what I forgot the club finals ( intermediate and junior as well not just Paddy's Day) and also lower tier hurling finals. Not sure I have much position on the argument in general only that yeah it is an advantage. No harm highlighting it but not a caveat to 5 in a row.

bruschi

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I find this post somewhat ironic. Considering this whole thread was instigated due to an obsession with Dublin, by those predominately outside Dublin.

In answer to your question those other counties get mentioned because some view them all as the nearest/former competitors to Dublin - in Leinster and outside Leinster.
Personally I do not have Mayo on that list anymore Kerry have usurped them.
Also I would include Donegal in the list for sure.

Meath are only ever mentioned in the context of mismanagement from a position of strength.
I know first hand from a cousin ingrained in Meath GAA that things were let slide gradually over a number of years in Meath.
Kildare are another example.
People mention Dublin's dominance in Leinster - but never seem to question how the former great traditional leinster counties Meath/Kildare have fared in the qualifiers or outside leinster or super 8's?
That cannot be blamed on Dublin.

But again, a poster from Roscommon makes a point and in response he gets some guff about the Kerry group and yerra. Which has what to do with his point?

This isnt a Dublin dominance thread about their nearest competitors, this is about all the other counties wanting to be afforded the same funding and coaching opportunities that up until recently were 100% only given to Dublin and now only have a minuscule amount of counties who have partial access to it.

MayoAreMagic

blanch152 wrote: »

Vanity projects versus mass juvenile participation.

Dublin have chosen the latter, and for that I am delighted.

Nobody else really has that option though. Other counties have to plow money into stadia, and by the nature of that investment, they are going to need loans to do it. What you are saying is akin to the guy who stays at home with his parents forever giving out to the young couple who got a mortgage to buy their home and subsequently have to pay for it.

Re vanity projects - sure the entire dublin project was a vanity project. They were winning leinsters quite regularly and contesting semi finals as often as most. The desire to financially dope them was implemented as a play thing of the, since disgraced, taoiseach at the time... How their fans cant understand why their county doesn't get the respect kery or kilkenny got, frankly, tells a story about their own fans more thn anything else.

bruschi wrote: »

what has the Kerry group got to do with a poster from Roscommon asking a question? Why Dublin people seem to be obsessed with Mayo Kerry and Meath over all this I dont know.

I find this post somewhat ironic. Considering this whole thread was instigated due to an obsession with Dublin, by those predominately outside Dublin.

In answer to your question those other counties get mentioned because some view them all as the nearest/former competitors to Dublin - in Leinster and outside Leinster.
Personally I do not have Mayo on that list anymore Kerry have usurped them.
Also I would include Donegal in the list for sure.

Meath are only ever mentioned in the context of mismanagement from a position of strength.
I know first hand from a cousin ingrained in Meath GAA that things were let slide gradually over a number of years in Meath.
Kildare are another example.
People mention Dublin's dominance in Leinster - but never seem to question how the former great traditional leinster counties Meath/Kildare have fared in the qualifiers or outside leinster or super 8's?
That cannot be blamed on Dublin.

Strumms

Parnell Park has a published capacity of 13,499. Therefore not fit for purpose. Because of its location is not suitable for expansion.

To suit the ‘Dublin not in croker’ brigade should the Dubs invest millions in building ANOTHER stadium ? Enabling Croke Park to become a white elephant with about four to six games and one concert per year ? A facility not exactly overburdened as it is just seeing say 8-10 days of usage out of 365 if you include potential replays and gigs etc ? That’s not a good scenario. A stadium operational for one day every 52 on average.

Look at building or expanding stadiums outside Dublin. Though do Parc Ui Caoimh or Semple require expansion for their usage and demand for tickets ?

No easy solution, the more it’s looked at the status quo seems while not perfect, the lesser ‘evil’ certainly...

Bonniedog

omega man wrote: »

Why would a county board be offered funding? I appreciate its easier said than done but county boards can’t sit back and wait for money.
They’ll have to fight their corner and put their best foot forward if they want investment.
However I wouldn’t trust many a county board to successfully implement large scale funding projects, a lot of them aren’t fit for purpose.

That's the thing. Kerry, Kilkenny, Tipp, Donegal, Limerick, Tyrone have had good financial backing and used it well.

Others have not. They've spent it on individual teams or grossly over paid staff and neglected their grass roots.

Key difference to me is that the top counties which have mostly always been the same top counties have structures and a tradition (which is basically a mixture of experience and historical pride and commitment to standards) that will always drive them to be competitive. Same as in any other aspect of life.

Men like Cody and Sheedy and Gavin and Harte are men completely committed to that tradition. Other counties don't have it and probably never will, no matter what the circumstances,

Ce la vie.