LeinsterDub wrote: » https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1175141143283154944 In brexit Britain there is only room for the true believers everyone else is a counter revolutionary. If you aren't a true believer you can join the party for lost boys the Lib Dems
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » The Telegraph has the termerity to ask if the EU is serious about a backstop solution!https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2019/09/20/eu-serious-fixing-northern-ireland-backstop-problem/ And again they put the point about the UK not putting in any border infrastructure. I don't have the heart to tackle that lie any more.
GM228 wrote: » Headshot wrote: » Has anyone been keeping up with the court proceedings? Any legal experts saying anything on what side the supreme court with go in favour of? Personally id be amazed if it goes agains the Government, I suspect the Judges wont want to get involved in politics and just do what the court in London did Various legal experts are of the opinion the Government will loose, however as Lady Hale (the President of the Supreme Court) stated today, don't make assumptions.
Headshot wrote: » Has anyone been keeping up with the court proceedings? Any legal experts saying anything on what side the supreme court with go in favour of? Personally id be amazed if it goes agains the Government, I suspect the Judges wont want to get involved in politics and just do what the court in London did
Financial Times wrote: The court may or may not be able to plug the gaps in this unprecedented case with its extraordinary facts. But whichever way the judges decide, there will remain a wider worrying gap between a determined executive and ready access to checks and balances. On any view, a complicated Supreme Court case, the outcome of which nobody can predict, should not be all that stands in the way of arbitrary government.
Deleted User wrote: » The EEC morphing into a much closer federal union which prevented individual deals with other countries really pissed off some of the elite in the UK.
trellheim wrote: » YET . Got conference still to come on the 29th and then after that the fun really begins. Remember this is NOT about the EU its all UK internal politics. In other news Labour conference starts tomorrow and exactly as expected the infightings started, why does the left at every turn shoot itself in the foot its the same in Ireland
LeinsterDub wrote: » In brexit Britain there is only room for the true believers everyone else is a counter revolutionary. If you aren't a true believer you can join the party for lost boys the Lib Dems
LeinsterDub wrote: » ltd440 wrote: » Corbyn supporters, although may only be a bit of a warning to the deputy to stay on message with Jeremy https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1175141143283154944 In brexit Britain there is only room for the true believers everyone else is a counter revolutionary. If you aren't a true believer you can join the party for lost boys the Lib Dems
ltd440 wrote: » Corbyn supporters, although may only be a bit of a warning to the deputy to stay on message with Jeremy
A Shropshire Lad wrote: » The other point about that would be that Scotland would look at this 'special status' for NI and say, hang on, we want that too! Christmas for the SNP
Infini wrote: » ltd440 wrote: » Holy crap, I mean no one should be surprised by the craziness of the Labour Party by now, but starting a split when entering possibly the most important election in 70 years???. Boris can't believe his luck I'd say Whos pushing to abolish the deputy position though? Is it Jeremy because it really isnt the time for this carryon.
ltd440 wrote: » Holy crap, I mean no one should be surprised by the craziness of the Labour Party by now, but starting a split when entering possibly the most important election in 70 years???. Boris can't believe his luck I'd say
From what Tony Connelly has reported tonight, it's obvious the UK aren't putting forward credible alternatives to the backstop.
Infini wrote: » Whos pushing to abolish the deputy position though? Is it Jeremy because it really isnt the time for this carryon.
The reason the EU is making warm noises is not because they like UK 'non-papers', but because they can see Johnson is utterly cornered and hope he might 'pivot' to a manageable deal. But in truth, I think there is first a much bigger question to address. Why would Boris Johnson risk it? Because step back from the minutiae of this 'deal' issue and what is clear is that we are in a General Election campaign. This is not a government, its a campaign machine. So if we view Johnson's decision post Party Conference through that political prism, then what? The EU's rejected slice n dice and he can: a) pivot to a deal, some version of NI-only, or maybe extended transition etc and in doing so take a HUGE risk. I don't know about you, but I don't trust those Labour votes materialising. And if they don't, then Boris Johnson goes into the next election have BOTH pivoted towards a compromise his Brexit base are gonna hate AND failed to meet his Oct 31 'do or die' deadline. That's a double whammy. Would it not be more politically rationale not to muddy the waters? To stand rock solid on the backstop and keep burnishing those hard-Brexit, bucaneering Britain credentials and enter the inevitable election campaign unsullied by compromise? In short, there is a notional prize of doing a deal and getting Brexit over the line by October 31 before the election is appealing...but that's probably only possible with a deal that enrages the base and anyway has a high chance of failing in London. Seems to me that Steve Barclay Madrid speech fits that pattern...keep tilting at the notional deal, and then - come October 17 Council - you can call the EU all manner of names as you prepare to hit the campaign trail demanding a majority to get the job done. I guess all will be revealed after Party Conference and at the point when the 'negotiations' hit the customs buffer... To pivot, or not to pivot, that is the question...Parliament has already nobbled you once, why give them the satisfaction of doing so again? I hear the Letwin plan of using an extension to create a 'zombie' government while Parliament passes a Withdrawal Bill subject to a referendum, but that feels a stretch to me. And once the extension is forced, will Labour really be able to shirk an election? At that point Johnson valiantly (after Court fights etc) loses the battle but seeks to rally Brexit forces to his standard to win the war. All of which makes me weary - and sceptical about talk of a deal; greater forces are at play here than the viability of customs technologies. In short: Johnson is in a corner. My gut says he feints and counters, rather than sues for peace.
woohoo!!! wrote: » I came across a tweet earlier that in a negotiation where one side increasingly doesn't trust the other side, they demand precise, legally binding proposals or precisely the opposite of what Johnson is doing. Other trading blocs and countries are already pricing this untrustworthiness in.
LeinsterDub wrote: » https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1175125903518687233 I'm not sure Labour understand the rules of the game. Anytime it seems they've an open goal they go and shoot themselves in the foot
Tell me how wrote: In 8 months time, when people are talking about FG being a joke and sure look at the childrens hospital and the homeless issue and swinggate etc, I hope they also recognize the individual qualities some people have. I hate it when people just look at the party (FF, FG, SF, Lab, whoever) and discount everyone within because of a perceived ethos which the party have. I've always respected Micheal Martin similarly (introduced smoking ban which was revolutionary at the time).
beggars_bush wrote: » That's exactly what Johnson and co want
cml387 wrote: » Enough for Britain to say that"We did our best but the EU were totally intransigent" If Tony Connolly's tweets are correct (and let's face it he has seldom been wrong before) it's game over.
lawred2 wrote: » time to break off talks now really - just getting insulting at this stage
