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bruschi

blanch152 wrote: »

Not quite true. The Dublin County Board have looked several times at building a stadium. However, they have backed away from it, as it would take away from the money invested in juvenile participation and schools GAA.

yes, thats absolutely 100% true. Dublin county board, who put in zero money into the club coaching set up, have stopped any plans for development as they spent the money instead on juvenile participation. If you could find any link, comment or verification of any of those claims, I'd love to see them.

You have mentioned rubbish like this more than once, and it is absolutely ridiculous. There is a significant difference between capital and infrastructure expenditure by the GAA and coaching and games. They are not the same nor come through the same funding mechanisms. Repeatedly claiming other counties built stadiums or centres of excellence instead of investing in coaching is just nonsense. Dublin GAA put forward a partial share to the national stadium in Abbotstown, great to have facilities on your doorstep, better than most counties, but dont have to pay full whack for them. Great to have a stadium for home league games where you dont have to invest in it. But no, its the other counties who waste their money.

The GAA are the ones who have final say on whether counties or clubs put money into capital expenditure. The GAA are also the ones who have the final say in to who can avail of partially funded coaching in clubs. this thought that Dublin is some sort of Utopian place that was the only one who thought of this and the other counties are stupid is just so far from reality but yet despite multiple times being told this, you still keep peddling it as if it is some sort of verified fact.

billyhead

Dublin would have no problem in playing there home games in Parnell. Its just that the GAA try and cash in on the demand by playing their games in Croker. Hardly Dublins fault. Parnell Park is not called fortress Parnell for nothing;)

RedDevil55

You can't really compare attendances back in the 60s and 70s. The Irish population was considerably less and travel was much less straightforward (no motorways).

It's clear that attendances have fallen at Dublin games along with other counties.

Bonniedog

Would agree with last part. Would be great tie in with clubs from competing counties to do what LGFA does and offer incentives/freebies for league games. Could be done for most venues.

IRFU is brilliant at boosting attendances even for pretty meaningless European games especially involving two Irish clubs just by spending a few quid on good publicity. #

GAA seems to have a "build it and they will come" attitude. There is too much competition to take that dog in the manger attitude.

Dá mbeadh gúth gabhar agat, bí I lár an margadh!

The_Honeybadger

Bonniedog wrote: »

Attendances are in relative decline from unprecedented levels 2002 - 2011 when you had mad crowds for Tyrone/Armagh in CP, 50,000 and more for Westmeath/Laois Leinster final, sell outs for Dublin/Tyrone league games, and many more.

It was obviously part of the economic boom at the time. Economy has recovered but days of people flashing cards for events are long gone as credit is much more restricted now even if you are in steady job. That's one factor. GAA still gets huge attendances for big hurling and football games, sometimes in league if featuring major rivals, and are still way above historical levels.

So any "tanking" is only relative to the Tiger years which also saw far bigger crowds for club rugby and international soccer.

Dublin/Kerry league game will be 60,000 at least, I would be prepared to put money on that.

They have continued to slip in both competitions although I’d say the league has bottomed out hopefully. I wasn’t having a go btw.

I can understand the GAA’s reluctance to fund another stadium in Dublin but you can’t continue with 15-18k in a massive stadium like there was at times this year. If their marketing department was any good they get 30-40k at every CP league game by putting on good entertainment, letting juveniles in for free etc.

Bonniedog

Attendances are in relative decline from unprecedented levels 2002 - 2011 when you had mad crowds for Tyrone/Armagh in CP, 50,000 and more for Westmeath/Laois Leinster final, sell outs for Dublin/Tyrone league games, and many more.

It was obviously part of the economic boom at the time. Economy has recovered but days of people flashing cards for events are long gone as credit is much more restricted now even if you are in steady job. That's one factor. GAA still gets huge attendances for big hurling and football games, sometimes in league if featuring major rivals, and are still way above historical levels.

So any "tanking" is only relative to the Tiger years which also saw far bigger crowds for club rugby and international soccer.

Dublin/Kerry league game will be 60,000 at least, I would be prepared to put money on that.

The_Honeybadger

Bonniedog wrote: »

Average attendance was 23,000! More at the Mayo league game than at Kerry/Tyrone AI semi final. All Dublin's away games were full houses or close to it.

I remember back in 70s eing at Dublin/Kerry league game in Croke Park in autumn of 1975 and there was 25,000 at it That was remarked upon as having been the biggest league attendance for 20 years. And more than had been at any league FINAL since 1967 when Dublin and Galway home final was attended by 40,000.

You have a strange notion of how Dublin being good equates to attendances "tanking."!!

Dublin would have no objection to playing league games in Parnell, but it would mean tens of thousands not being able to attend.

I didn’t equate anything to Dublin being good or bad. Attendances across the board have been declining for years, check the GAA financial statements if you want to verify. I don’t mention Parnell park either. 23k in a 80k + stadium is not doing anybody any good is my point.

Another poster was making a false claim regarding why Dublin do not have their own stadium and I was merely correcting him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-gaa-chairman-rules-out-idea-of-a-new-30000capacity-venue-in-the-capital-37855539.html

Also in the article is details of the new grant aided COE planned in Dublin

Bonniedog

Average attendance was 23,000! More at the Mayo league game than at Kerry/Tyrone AI semi final. All Dublin's away games were full houses or close to it.

I remember back in 70s eing at Dublin/Kerry league game in Croke Park in autumn of 1975 and there was 25,000 at it That was remarked upon as having been the biggest league attendance for 20 years. And more than had been at any league FINAL since 1967 when Dublin and Galway home final was attended by 40,000.

You have a strange notion of how Dublin being good equates to attendances "tanking."!!

Dublin would have no objection to playing league games in Parnell, but it would mean tens of thousands not being able to attend.

The_Honeybadger

blanch152 wrote: »

Not quite true. The Dublin County Board have looked several times at building a stadium. However, they have backed away from it, as it would take away from the money invested in juvenile participation and schools GAA.

They backed away because they were told the GAA would not support such a project. It suits both parties down to the ground for Dublin to use Croke park. Or at least it did until home league attendances started tanking.

blanch152

Weepsie wrote: »

They also don't have the need. They have facilities several times over for training if they want them.

That said, other counties should join forces for shared training centres in accessible areas that would benefit way more than elite players

Not quite true. The Dublin County Board have looked several times at building a stadium. However, they have backed away from it, as it would take away from the money invested in juvenile participation and schools GAA.

omega man

beggars_bush wrote: »

the only county who haven't bothered to develop a centre of excellence, or a decent sized stadium is????
Dublin

Wait, you’re having a go at us for NOT having a new stadium and COE?? Imagine if we received grants for such projects, some of you would literally explode!! This is gold.

blanch152

beggars_bush wrote: »

the only county who haven't bothered to develop a centre of excellence, or a decent sized stadium is????
Dublin

Vanity projects versus mass juvenile participation.

Dublin have chosen the latter, and for that I am delighted.

gormdubhgorm

TrueGael wrote: »

If the DCB had to pay a huge chunk of Croke Parks redevelopment and upkeep costs they wouldn't be able to pay all the professionals in their backroom team and utilise altitude chambers and cryotherapy and all the other enhancers (i.e players wouldn't be fresh as a daisy after 75 mins)

Is Cryotherapy that unusual even the manager of the Kerry hurlers has used it for his players

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/kingdom-didnt-celebrate-out-of-respect-for-offaly-931249.html

A cryotherapy centre in Ennis Clare (not Dublin!)

https://www.efmc.ie/services/cryotherapy/

It is also been used by many other intercounty teams

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/gaa-turns-to-cryotherapy-in-appliance-of-science-468349.html

The Tipp and KK hurlers use crotheraphy in Whites Hotel Wexford.

Also the GAA's medical committee questioned the benefits of Cryotherapy

"It is the view of the GAA’s medical, scientific, and welfare committee that the weight of evidence on hypoxic (altitude) training has not yet scientifically proven the practice to be beneficial to on-pitch performance in Gaelic games and can potentially endanger the health and welfare of players, if not monitored and supervised correctly"

See the GAA guidelines here -

https://learning.gaa.ie/sites/default/files/GAA%20Guidelines%20for%20Appropriate%20&%20Safe%20Training%20for%20Gaelic%20Games%20-February%202018.pdf

This brings into question your 'fresh as a daisy' belief

There are also question marks over the benefits of high altitude training -

The warning relating to hypoxic (altitude) training is especially stark.

"The GAA’s Medical, Scientific and Welfare Committee does not recommend teams of any level pursue this activity as part of their preparation as this activity does involve a significant financial outlay for clubs and counties which could be more efficiently spent on other sports medicine or preparation supports."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-issues-warning-on-altitude-training-and-other-fads-827365.html

The GAA actually recommend Yoga and Pilates as a more beneficial, cost effective and safer option.

How much is a few yoga mats or yoga/pilates session going to cost?
It is hardly going to break the bank is it?

gormdubhgorm

beggars_bush wrote: »

the only county who haven't bothered to develop a centre of excellence, or a decent sized stadium is????
Dublin

I have already explained why but you did not seem to read the post.
economies of scale NAMA and so on

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-orourke-nama-overseeing-greatest-plundering-of-irelands-land-assets-since-cromwell-31317345.html

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/great-news-sports-fans-dublin-set-new-25000-capacity-stadium-110083

https://www.dublinlive.ie/sport/dublin-gaa-scrap-plans-spawell-13523171

Your previous post was also very revealing in your lack of knowledge when you mentioned Longford from 2006 and ignored the occasions in the championship 2015-2019 that Dublin played outside Croke Park.
The very years of dominance this whole thread was started to debate about!

You also ignored my point about the disadvantage for the Dublin hurlers, playing outside Parnell Park and the leinster councils greed keeping the footballers in CP.

What is the point in responding in great detail to your disingenuous factually incorrect posts - when you fail to address any of the points I made?

It is always whataboutery with you I notice, with very little grasp of real facts.
The Longford comment really showed you up. Also you did not read my previous post which answered the question you asked in the following one!
When you are challenged on it another whatabout is invented or it is simply repeated. Any cogent points put to you are simply ignored.

beggars_bush

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Backdoor argument this is a laughable one because as you well know Dublin have not had to use the backdoor since 2010.
Your lack of GAA knowledge or deliberate disingenuous nature is also being shown up in your post
As you seem to conveniently ignore that Dublin played laois in the championship in Nowlan park in 2016 -
lovely day it was too lots of Dubs eating icecreams great atmosphere.
Dublin also beat Carlow in 2017 in Portlaoise
Dublin hammered Wicklow in 2018 in Portlaoise
Dublin hammered louth in 2019 Portlaoise

Also the fact that Dublin are forced to play games in Croke Park is not solely down to Dublin it is also down to leinster council greed.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-council-to-cash-in-on-massive-dubs-earning-power-26542563.html

Basically Dublin football attendances are keeping the leinster council afloat as Dublin are still the cash-cow (despite falling attendances).
That money goes to leinster counties.

You also seem to ignore the fact that when the Dublin hurlers are forced to play in Croke park it is a definite disadvantage, as every man and his dog know that the hurlers play better in the tighter pitch of Parnell park.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/parnell-park-too-tight-for-intercounty-hurling-says-english-1.3871860

Do you view Croke Park as a neutral venue or home venue for the Dublin hurlers?
Or do you view it differently because the Dublin hurlers do not perform well in CP?

I well remember the times when the Dublin footballers were not successful and it was said that Kerry enjoy CP it suits thier football. Dublin struggled as they did not have the 'footballers' to cover the wide expanse.

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Now let's look at expertise -

You also ignore the East leinster coaching programme 11m plus given to Louth Meath, Kildare, Wexford

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-spends-record-11-1m-on-coaching-and-games-development/

"The Games Development outlay funded 345 coaches working in more than 600 schools coaching 360,000 children.

35 new coaches were deployed across Louth, Meath, Kildare, Wicklow, and Wexford as part of the new East Leinster Coaching Programme"

Look at the backroom team Cork are developing -

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/former-kildare-manager-cian-oneill-becomes-cork-senior-football-coach-951275.html

S&C coaches expertise 3rd level knowledge.

Kerry expertise:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-back-keanes-strong-team-to-get-young-stars-to-the-top-level-37402983.html

Mayo expertise:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/james-horan-predicts-exciting-times-for-mayo-ahead-of-mike-solan-battle-37351419.html

Donegal expertise:

https://donegalgaa.ie/2019/03/05/aaron-kyles-appointed-as-donegal-coaching-and-games-development-manager/

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Now let's look at facilities -

Tyrone have a centre of excellence costing 8m

https://www.the42.ie/tyrone-garvaghey-project-1124677-Oct2013/

http://tyronegaacentre.com/

A whole 1m less than the entire site of land the spawell that Dublin purchased.

https://www.echo.ie/tallaght/article/gaa-to-sell-nine-acres-in-spawell

What do you think of that disparity in cost and economies of scale?

Then the plan for a new stadium had to be shelved because of NAMA and prohibitive costs.

Connacht GAA has a GAA centre in Mayo

http://connachtgaa.ie/connacht-gaa-centre-services/

With more plans afoot

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dome-where-the-heart-is-in-connachts-ambitious-3million-plan-38044542.html

Mayo GAA plan a centre of excellence in castlebar

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0823/987091-mayo-unveil-plans-for-castlebar-centre-of-excellence/

Oh and Croke Park gave Mayo GAA a 5m loan for Mchale park payable over 29 years

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/croke-park-bailout-to-save-mayo-millions-31020519.html

Donegal have had a centre of excellence for years

https://donegalgaa.ie/2014/06/06/centre-of-excellence-lights-up/

Kerry spent 7m on thier centre of excellence

http://www.kerrygaa.ie/centre-of-excellence/

Cork GAA was given millions to help them with PUC

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/pairc-ui-chaoimh-revamp-cost-spirals-over-100m-892010.html

The way you are talking you would swear the other counties are just paupers with no expertise/facilities or knowledge.

the only county who haven't bothered to develop a centre of excellence, or a decent sized stadium is????
Dublin

gormdubhgorm

beggars_bush wrote: »

How many backdoor games away from Croke Park did ye have to play?
The last ye were down in longford ye barely got out of the place

Most counties cannot afford to develop their players from U8 up to minor like Dublin do in the clubs with huge funding from central GAA
and then run a professional type setup for U20 and senior panels using the huge sponsorship money bring generated and gate receipts from league games in Croke Park
And most counties don't have the money to develop facilities to do compete either

Backdoor argument this is a laughable one because as you well know Dublin have not had to use the backdoor since 2010.
Your lack of GAA knowledge or deliberate disingenuous nature is also being shown up in your post
As you seem to conveniently ignore that Dublin played laois in the championship in Nowlan park in 2016 -
lovely day it was too lots of Dubs eating icecreams great atmosphere.
Dublin also beat Carlow in 2017 in Portlaoise
Dublin hammered Wicklow in 2018 in Portlaoise
Dublin hammered louth in 2019 Portlaoise

Also the fact that Dublin are forced to play games in Croke Park is not solely down to Dublin it is also down to leinster council greed.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-council-to-cash-in-on-massive-dubs-earning-power-26542563.html

Basically Dublin football attendances are keeping the leinster council afloat as Dublin are still the cash-cow (despite falling attendances).
That money goes to leinster counties.

You also seem to ignore the fact that when the Dublin hurlers are forced to play in Croke park it is a definite disadvantage, as every man and his dog know that the hurlers play better in the tighter pitch of Parnell park.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/parnell-park-too-tight-for-intercounty-hurling-says-english-1.3871860

Do you view Croke Park as a neutral venue or home venue for the Dublin hurlers?
Or do you view it differently because the Dublin hurlers do not perform well in CP?

I well remember the times when the Dublin footballers were not successful and it was said that Kerry enjoy CP it suits thier football. Dublin struggled as they did not have the 'footballers' to cover the wide expanse.

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Now let's look at expertise -

You also ignore the East leinster coaching programme 11m plus given to Louth Meath, Kildare, Wexford

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-spends-record-11-1m-on-coaching-and-games-development/

"The Games Development outlay funded 345 coaches working in more than 600 schools coaching 360,000 children.

35 new coaches were deployed across Louth, Meath, Kildare, Wicklow, and Wexford as part of the new East Leinster Coaching Programme"

Look at the backroom team Cork are developing -

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/former-kildare-manager-cian-oneill-becomes-cork-senior-football-coach-951275.html

S&C coaches expertise 3rd level knowledge.

Kerry expertise:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-back-keanes-strong-team-to-get-young-stars-to-the-top-level-37402983.html

Mayo expertise:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/james-horan-predicts-exciting-times-for-mayo-ahead-of-mike-solan-battle-37351419.html

Donegal expertise:

https://donegalgaa.ie/2019/03/05/aaron-kyles-appointed-as-donegal-coaching-and-games-development-manager/

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Now let's look at facilities -

Tyrone have a centre of excellence costing 8m

https://www.the42.ie/tyrone-garvaghey-project-1124677-Oct2013/

http://tyronegaacentre.com/

A whole 1m less than the entire site of land the spawell that Dublin purchased.

https://www.echo.ie/tallaght/article/gaa-to-sell-nine-acres-in-spawell

What do you think of that disparity in cost and economies of scale?

Then the plan for a new stadium had to be shelved because of NAMA and prohibitive costs.

Connacht GAA has a GAA centre in Mayo

http://connachtgaa.ie/connacht-gaa-centre-services/

With more plans afoot

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dome-where-the-heart-is-in-connachts-ambitious-3million-plan-38044542.html

Mayo GAA plan a centre of excellence in castlebar

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0823/987091-mayo-unveil-plans-for-castlebar-centre-of-excellence/

Oh and Croke Park gave Mayo GAA a 5m loan for Mchale park payable over 29 years

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/croke-park-bailout-to-save-mayo-millions-31020519.html

Donegal have had a centre of excellence for years

https://donegalgaa.ie/2014/06/06/centre-of-excellence-lights-up/

Kerry spent 7m on thier centre of excellence

http://www.kerrygaa.ie/centre-of-excellence/

Cork GAA was given millions to help them with PUC

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/pairc-ui-chaoimh-revamp-cost-spirals-over-100m-892010.html

The way you are talking you would swear the other counties are just paupers with no expertise/facilities or knowledge.

Floppybits

marvin80 wrote: »

When Kilkenny did the 4 in a row people were getting bored of it but even then Tipp were getting closer to them all the time and did the business in 2010 to end Kilkenny's dominance.

I don't think any team is getting close to Dublin for another while.
Dublin are a bit like the bouncer in this video!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CflAuLGyRTw

In each of Dublins All Ireland wins they have been pushed well except for 2018. In saying that Kerry look to be a coming force, Cork as well if they manage their successful underage teams properly and Donegal are there or there about's. As for the rest well Tyrone need to take a long hard look at their management and tactics, they need to freshen things up, they have the players, Mayo unfortunately need to rebuild, it is a wait and see on Galway with the new management.

The league will be interesting to see who is coming through and chanllenge Dublin.

marvin80

Floppybits wrote: »

Some folk really have taken Dublin winning 5 in a row well, you'd be worried about them. I wonder the response be the same if any other county won 5 in a row or is it just Dublin?

When Kilkenny did the 4 in a row people were getting bored of it but even then Tipp were getting closer to them all the time and did the business in 2010 to end Kilkenny's dominance.

I don't think any team is getting close to Dublin for another while.
Dublin are a bit like the bouncer in this video!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CflAuLGyRTw

tritium

Floppybits wrote: »

Reading that last part had that song "Let's do the Time warp again" going through my head. Maybe that's the problem in some counties that they are stuck in a time warp in terms of county board, structures and tactics but I guess its easier to bash Dublin rather than take an honest look at themselves.

I am loving the 5 in a row, the only thing annoying me is waiting 2 poxy weeks for the homecoming. I know the traffic in Dublin is bad but taking 2 weeks to get from the Gibson hotel to merrion square is stretching it. ðŸ˜

Pretty much this. People bang on about Leinster being uncompetitive now but completely miss that in terms of competing for AIs Leinster hasn’t really been competitive for a very long time. If you take dublin out of the mix what have you got- Meath have 4 wins in 32 years in two clusters of good teams that punched above leinsters typical weight. Before that it was 1967 when they previously won an AI. Kildare won one in 1928 and made a final in 1998. Louth last won in 1957, Laois never, Offaly 1982, Wexford 1918. So 5 all lielands for Leinster in 32 years if dublin are excluded. In the same period Kerry alone have won 7, and 10 in the twenty years prior to that

That’s not dublin’s fault by the way, those teams have generally had Leinster success (dublin’s historical hold on Leinster is much weaker than say Kerry’s in Munster), they just haven’t been able to do the business post Leinster. The post back door environment has actually made this more stark, teams like Kildare shipping 7 goals against Kerry;

In effect what posters using the Leinster argument seem to be saying is they’d rather lots of people could win Leinster but no one in Leinster ever was at a level to win an all ireland than Leinster as a whole was actually strengthened and competitive in the AI

Truly bizarre to be honest

Floppybits

Some folk really have taken Dublin winning 5 in a row well, you'd be worried about them. I wonder the response be the same if any other county won 5 in a row or is it just Dublin?

omega man

@gaffer91 your cherry picked responses are weak at best. I’ve seen no evidence from you which even slightly backs up your financial doping claims.

Can I ask if the answer to your problem is ‘split dublin’ then how does that address your funding or croke Park advantage complaints?

Edgware

beggars_bush wrote: »

I don't hate Dublin

I love the GAA and GAA clubs.

the current setup is turning an awful lot of people outside Dublin off the county game. Players included

I was actually in a club in Dublin today to meet a friend

What was turning " an awful lot of people" off the county game was the ****e park the bs defensive football a lot of coaches were trying to impose on teams over the ast few years.
At least teams like Dublin, Kerry have left that behind. Teams like Cork at underage have been successfull this year playing good football. Even in defeat you could see the
skill and determnation in the Kerry team.
Dublin have lead the way and across the age groups have shown how to develop teams

blanch152

gaffer91 wrote: »

You guys are like a broken record- None of those teams had unfair advantages, Dublin have many. It's not just the victories, but the fact it's coming from a position of immense privilege.

Voluntary amalgamations can be offered, but as Dublin will likely never agree to a split (at least until it's too late and the inter-county game is dead and can't be resurrected), they will have to have an enforced split. There will be benefits for the GAA in Dublin despite this split being opposed though, for sure.

I have previously posted this reply to you outlining Kerry's unfair advantages for over a century, yet you ignore it in your replies and keep spouting nonsense.

blanch152 wrote: »

What a load of bitter nonsense, particularly the bits I am quoting from your post.

Kerry have benefitted unfairly since the introduction of inter-county competition by the provincial system.

That is doubled down by the failure of the GAA to promote hurling outside of Munster and Kilkenny. That has meant Kerry got a free ride to All-Ireland semifinals for decades, all because of an unfair and biased structure that lumped Kerry into a province dominated by hurling. Institutional discrimination in favour of Kerry.

Most of the posters on this issue come from three counties - Meath, Kerry and Mayo. Why? Because they have no interest in equal competition, only in doing down what they see as the obstacle to their county’s provincial or All-Ireland success.

As I keep saying, splitting Kerry, amalgamating other counties and restructuring the competition are what is needed to ensure a level competition. Splitting Dublin would be a part of that overall package. This is immediately rejected by the anti-Dubs because of their own selfish motives.

Bonniedog

Its being organised by Dublin City Council.

I would not trust them to organise the boiling of an egg. They have banned flags and banners supporting Dublin teams from bridges in the city, which tells you a lot actually that they have put up flags for all sorts of other reasons over the past few years.

In fact student union type gestures are the only things they seem capable of doing with any degree of competency.

Floppybits

Strumms wrote: »

Begrudgers won’t be lining up to recognize that, they were even pissing and moaning in the latter stages of the AI final with the Dubs managing possession instead of booting it randomly forward giving the opposition an opportunity to regain possession and score...that’s what you are up against. Don’t let begrudgers grind you down or take from your enjoyment of the drive for five or indeed the sprint for six....

Reading that last part had that song "Let's do the Time warp again" going through my head. Maybe that's the problem in some counties that they are stuck in a time warp in terms of county board, structures and tactics but I guess its easier to bash Dublin rather than take an honest look at themselves.

I am loving the 5 in a row, the only thing annoying me is waiting 2 poxy weeks for the homecoming. I know the traffic in Dublin is bad but taking 2 weeks to get from the Gibson hotel to merrion square is stretching it. 😁

The_Kew_Tour

I think until every county gets their act together and treat players and fans with respect at all times then not much use pointing the finger at Dublin

From a Cork fan point of view, the County Board and its ilk have spent years just abusing their power and been greedy. Certain players not picked cause they ain't from certain clubs etc. Politics basically

So maybe if Cork did what the Dublin clubs are doing and do it for some period then we could talk. I reckon it's not much better in other counties.

Yes Dublin have advantages, but until other Counties buck up they cant talk

Strumms

Floppybits wrote: »

There is a real whiff of "I'm not racist but" on this thread. The amount of folk saying "I'm not anti Dublin but" or "I like Dublin but". Just be honest and admit it, you can't stand Dublin. For most on here it doesn't matter what Dublin do they will still find something to moan about, even when Dublin weren't winning anything there was moaning, why are they not winning All Irelands wuth their population? Dublin are a joke.

If Dublin played every single match away from Croke Park you would still have moaning like " Dublin playing all their outside means some of us smaller counties will never get to play there" or " we need Dublin back on Croke Park the money hangouts for our county board to p1ss up against wall has dried up "

Just can't win

Exactly, but don’t forget you are not dealing and engaging with reasonable well meaning people. The five in a row to them or what they want you to ‘believe’ is because we ‘always play in croker’ and some mythical ‘full time’ nonsense even though every player, backroom person, Doctor, manager etc has a FULL TIME JOB outside of the GAA or is studying... go figure, no professional set up, GAA secondary to studies and putting food on the table for themselves and families.

They are a seriously good team, the best who have played the game by virtue of their attitude, hard practiced ability, dedication to their craft and county.

Begrudgers won’t be lining up to recognize that, they were even pissing and moaning in the latter stages of the AI final with the Dubs managing possession instead of booting it randomly forward giving the opposition an opportunity to regain possession and score...that’s what you are up against. Don’t let begrudgers grind you down or take from your enjoyment of the drive for five or indeed the sprint for six....

bruschi

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Ah get out of it.

The underlying tone throughout this entire argument is an anti Dublin sentiment.

Dublin is the cause of all our problems, as if we didn't make any of them ourselves.

Not saying this is everyones argument, but its certainly the case for a lot of posters. And this is unreasonable, and will not go any further than argument.

If you really favoured a stronger GAA championship - then why wouldn't you consider the approach of joining other counties together instead of splitting Dublin. But you don't consider this. Its pure anti Dublin, nothing to do with pro GAA.

I was actually in Dublin once to see Santa in Arnotts - so see, I'm really not anti Dublin..... give us a break.

the whole intercounty structure as a competition is a terrible format. The country isnt big enough for 32 teams broken down by archaic boundaries. If a new sport was to start up and format a competition, it wouldnt be as it is now. Dublin wouldnt be considered one team and Leitrim one team. It makes little sense. There would be regionalised teams based on population and resources. To make any change it would have to completely and utterly demolish the existing set up and start from scratch and that will never happen. There would be a clear break between the old county based format and a regional based one so all records etc would be confined to history.

It will never happen so it's pointless even talking about it.

Floppybits

There is a real whiff of "I'm not racist but" on this thread. The amount of folk saying "I'm not anti Dublin but" or "I like Dublin but". Just be honest and admit it, you can't stand Dublin. For most on here it doesn't matter what Dublin do they will still find something to moan about, even when Dublin weren't winning anything there was moaning, why are they not winning All Irelands wuth their population? Dublin are a joke.

If Dublin played every single match away from Croke Park you would still have moaning like " Dublin playing all their outside means some of us smaller counties will never get to play there" or " we need Dublin back on Croke Park the money hangouts for our county board to p1ss up against wall has dried up "

Just can't win

Tombo2001

beggars_bush wrote: »

I don't hate Dublin

I love the GAA and GAA clubs.

the current setup is turning an awful lot of people outside Dublin off the county game. Players included

I was actually in a club in Dublin today to meet a friend

Ah get out of it.

The underlying tone throughout this entire argument is an anti Dublin sentiment.

Dublin is the cause of all our problems, as if we didn't make any of them ourselves.

Not saying this is everyones argument, but its certainly the case for a lot of posters. And this is unreasonable, and will not go any further than argument.

If you really favoured a stronger GAA championship - then why wouldn't you consider the approach of joining other counties together instead of splitting Dublin. But you don't consider this. Its pure anti Dublin, nothing to do with pro GAA.

I was actually in Dublin once to see Santa in Arnotts - so see, I'm really not anti Dublin..... give us a break.