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The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

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There appears to be a perception that the moderators are attempting to shut down discussion of this topic and direct same off to a low traffic stickied thread.Nothing could be further from the truth.Our sole motive was to confine discussion to a single thread and prevent cross thread posting which was adversely affecting the enjoyment of fellow posters.

Can we please keep posts civil and constructive in nature.

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Firstly, any more mentioning of "financial doping" or any intimation that rules have been broken by Dublin or that Dublin have cheated are banned from now on. You can debate the issue of the funding that Dublin have received without resorting to that. There is zero evidence of it and posting about it will be considered trolling from here on in.

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kyote00

Financial doping argument doesnt stack up thought if you look properly at where the funding goes....Its just a Trumpesque bit of jingoism

It would be more in your interest to quiz your county boards on where the money given to each county goes - especially if you feel its not reflected in improved performances on the pitch...

rm75 wrote: »

All i can see is people repeating " financial doping".

When its pointed out that Kerrys are far more successful provincially we're told this is legitimate as is Kilkennys etc. Ignore that, ignore Galway and Mayos provincial success also!!

Only Dublins is illegitimate because eh eh financial doping.

Good summary of the thread i feel.

kyote00

Cork got 2.1m according to the GAA annual report !

beggars_bush wrote: »

Cork do not get more in coaching funding than Dublin.
What club in Cork gets to hire a full time GDA?
Where are those figures from?

aodomhnaill

The high horse brigade wrote: »

That's nonsense. I work away lots for work and struggle to sleep. There is nothing more comfortable than my own bed, even with a toddler joining me in the middle of the night to kick me a few times

Agreed, have heard a heap of lads banging on about how comfortable your bed was. Is it one of those memory foam mattresses? Been thinking about getting one.

The high horse brigade

rm75 wrote: »

I realise this might be hopelessly optimistic but any actual evidence to back that up, or did you pull that statement out of your ass?

No idea why you had to quote my post given your response had nothing to do with my point.

You sit back and watch as the rest of the country lose interest in the championship as the gulf widens as what's been happening in Leinster is now happening in the all Ireland.

The touch site quotes every reply

Bridge93

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Not a follower of your game but which would be the strongest team ?

North or south or the westside boys?

In a hypothetical I’d imagine north Dublin would be the strongest

odyssey06

The high horse brigade wrote: »

That's nonsense. I work away lots for work and struggle to sleep. There is nothing more comfortable than my own bed, even with a toddler joining me in the middle of the night to kick me a few times

You need to travel better!

Besides, these are young athletes. I am way more fussier about where I sleep than at 25. Could bed down anywhere back then unless it was a total kip.

And Kildare and Meath and all the Leinster counties are still sleeping in their own beds playing Dublin and getting hammered.

rm75

The high horse brigade wrote: »

You sit back and watch as the rest of the country lose interest in the championship as the gulf widens as what's been happening in Leinster is now happening in the all Ireland.

The touch site quotes every reply

Already pointed out the low attendences historically in Leinster. 30k at the 83 final between current and soon to be all ireland champions. We has a brief period where there was more competition than normal admitedly due to the weakness nationally of the province.

Kerry were getting very small crowds other than the final whilst dominating.
But facts dont seem to go down well on this thread!

Little between Dubs and Mayo last few years and assuming Kerry improve we will be at historical norms in terms of competitiveness.

The lack of competition in 3 of the 4 provinces historically has been pointed out again and again. The idea that 2 or 3 teams as serious contendors is an aberration has no basis in reality. We all know that apparently some people want to pretend thats not the case however!

Given you failed to provide evidence above, i'll take it you did indeed pull that statement out of your ass!

The high horse brigade

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kevin-mcstay-if-dublin-win-six-will-the-gaa-see-it-as-a-problem-1.4020060

omega man

Can those accusing Dublin GAA of financial doping please put the facts before us? How much and where this money specifically goes to and link it to our senior football team and their success. Thank you in advance.

ClanofLams

Thread is just around in circles.

Inability of the vast majority of Dublin fans to admit funding is a factor in their improvement continues to astound though.

Dublin footballers most dominant team of all time, whilst introducing six or seven new starters since winning first of five in a row is unparalleled.

Dublin women’s winning three in a row.

Dublin hurlers gone from losing to Westmeath in championship in ‘05 to winning national league and Leinster championship this decade, being a competitive top tier side beating the likes of Kilkenny and Galway in championship.

All coincidentally happening fifteen to twenty years after a massive disparity in funding happened. The funding had no impact at all it seems according to most on here. GAA is unique, the only sport or area where funding makes no difference whatsoever. Some leap of logic.

https://twitter.com/seanmcgoldrick1/status/1093268753725431808?s=21

rm75

Looking forward to some epic battles with Kerry over the next few years. Lets hope other counties arent as defeatist as people on this thread.

Something to look at on the mantlepiece while your posting excuses lads!

https://loveincrystal.com/collections/dublin-gaa-collection

Thread isnt going anwhere given the refusal of people to look at Kerrys domination of Munster.

ClanofLams

rm75 wrote: »

Something to look at on the mantlepiece while your posting excuses lads!

https://loveincrystal.com/collections/dublin-gaa-collection

Never really get these gloating posts. You were born in Dublin, well done. Unless you were involved in the team or back room Sunday, you didn’t accomplish anything just as those of us from outside Dublin who presumably weren’t involved in county set ups haven’t failed so don’t need excuses.

rm75

ClanofLams wrote: »

Never really get these gloating posts. You were born in Dublin, well done. Unless you were involved in the team or back room Sunday, you didn’t accomplish anything just as those of us from outside Dublin who presumably weren’t involved in county set ups haven’t failed so don’t need excuses.

I train an U10's kids team in dublin. Mostly putting out the gold cones we use up here and bringing them to their strength and conditioning sessions, pschology sessions and full time nutrionist. Off to bed now the 5am sessions would tire u out.

How many posts have u here yourself incidentally!

omega man

Games development funding is not financial doping no matter what you try to spin it.

However, of course the underage support has benefited us but that was the bloody aim after all! Imagine we blew it on a new stadium and a centre of excellence, now that would be something to moan about.

All My Stars Aligned

rm75 wrote: »

Looking forward to some epic battles with Kerry over the next few years. Lets hope other counties arent as defeatist as people on this thread.

Something to look at on the mantlepiece while your posting excuses lads!

https://loveincrystal.com/collections/dublin-gaa-collection

Thread isnt going anwhere given the refusal of people to look at Kerrys domination of Munster.

Good God. people will spend their money on some tacky crap

odyssey06

ClanofLams wrote: »

Thread is just around in circles.
Inability of the vast majority of Dublin fans to admit funding is a factor in their improvement continues to astound though.
Dublin footballers most dominant team of all time, whilst introducing six or seven new starters since winning first of five in a row is unparalleled.
Dublin hurlers gone from losing to Westmeath in championship in ‘05 to winning national league and Leinster championship this decade, being a competitive top tier side beating the likes of Kilkenny and Galway in championship.

All coincidentally happening fifteen to twenty years after a massive disparity in funding happened. The funding had no impact at all it seems according to most on here. GAA is unique, the only sport or area where funding makes no difference whatsoever.

Well then provide chart for every sport including every Olympics sport such as 100m and 10000 metres showing the correlation factor for development funding - not actual competing team funding. Distinguish between amateur and professional sports and for club versus territorial based sports.

You are the one making a universal claim. Back it up.

ClanofLams

rm75 wrote: »

I train an U10's kids team in dublin. Mostly putting out the gold cones we use up here and bringing them to their strength and conditioning sessions, pschology sessions and full time nutrionist. Off to bed now the 5am sessions would tire u out.

How many posts have u here yourself incidentally!

Can’t look on phone but less than you I would guess.

ClanofLams

omega man wrote: »

Games development funding is not financial doping no matter what you try to spin it.

However, of course the underage support has benefited us but that was the bloody aim after all! Imagine we blew it on a new stadium and a centre of excellence, now that would be something to moan about.

I have never used the term financial doping. Also have said Cluxton McCaffrey and Fenton are some of the greatest footballers of all time. Gavin excellent manager etc.

Agree with you of course that is the aim and clearly it worked. The disparity in funding is the issue - receiving fourteen times what Cork get when the population difference is three times is ridiculous.

omega man

Was just discussed on primetime there now. Reasonably balanced in fairness to RTE despite giving Mackenna some airtime.

Population is still an extremely unfair bench mark with regard to a perceived advantage.

Regardless this isn’t a Dublin issue. Up to the GAA to determine if there isn’t a level playing field. It’s also up to other county boards to take action and put their own plans in place as we did many years ago.

The high horse brigade

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2019/0917/1076503-do-the-boys-in-blue-have-an-unfair-advantage-in-the-gaa/

omega man

The high horse brigade wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2019/0917/1076503-do-the-boys-in-blue-have-an-unfair-advantage-in-the-gaa/

Did you actually read this?

One piece states: “Monaghan, for example, has a population of just 60,483 – so, in fact, its games development funding of €124,000 means it gets almost €2 per person, so about double what Dublin gets“.

But but population...

I also noted this beauty regarding capital grants: “While Dublin did not get any support under this heading, Cork’s cash under this heading included €1,333,334, with Laois getting €415,504 and Longford getting €1,065,196.”.

It goes on to say when grants are excluded Dublin gets the most funding. How convenient.

The high horse brigade

omega man wrote: »

Did you actually read this?

What you think i wrote it?
I'm just posting it here because it's relevant to this topic, one that is being discussed not just here but in conversations all over the country. There's a huge disaprity that needs to be addressed

omega man

The high horse brigade wrote: »

What you think i wrote it?
I'm just posting it here because it's relevant to this topic, one that is being discussed not just here but in conversations all over the country. There's a huge disaprity that needs to be addressed

OK, here’s another extract:

The county that got the most was not Dublin, which got €1,998,074 in total but was, in fact, Cork which received €2,197,045. Others who got six-figure sums were Galway (€1,155,267), Laois (€1,013,075) and Longford (€1,530,749).“

What part of the article you posted clearly demonstrates a “huge disparity”?

The high horse brigade

omega man wrote: »

What part of the article you posted clearly demonstrates a “huge disparity”?

Yeah, They left out this bit
https://twitter.com/seanmcgoldrick1/status/1093268753725431808?s=21

omega man

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Yeah, They left out this bit
https://twitter.com/seanmcgoldrick1/status/1093268753725431808?s=21

That’s a picture of a piece of paper with typed up figures and no source of origin...

Regardless the figures been thrown around are probably relating to games development funding over many years. How does that work out per head of population??

RedDevil55

omega man wrote: »

Did you actually read this?

One piece states: “Monaghan, for example, has a population of just 60,483 – so, in fact, its games development funding of €124,000 means it gets almost €2 per person, so about double what Dublin gets“.

But but population...

I also noted this beauty regarding capital grants: “While Dublin did not get any support under this heading, Cork’s cash under this heading included €1,333,334, with Laois getting €415,504 and Longford getting €1,065,196.”.

It goes on to say when grants are excluded Dublin gets the most funding. How convenient.

Why would Dublin get any capital grants? They get free use of an 82,000 capacity stadium, which was paid for by everyone in the country. Meanwhile Pearse park in Longford needed to be repaired because of issues with the foundations. That is why they got a capital grant.

There is a clear difference with games development money.

Utopia Parkway

Martina1991 wrote: »

There are only 5 counties in Munster and 12 in Leinster.

Even statistically its a lot easier to win with fewer opponents.

And apart from Kerry they are all mainly hurling counties first. Football a distant second.

blanch152

The high horse brigade wrote: »

You sit back and watch as the rest of the country lose interest in the championship as the gulf widens as what's been happening in Leinster is now happening in the all Ireland.

The touch site quotes every reply

Interest in the championship has a long way to fall before it reaches the low level of the Kerry four-in-a-row. It is actually surprising how well attendances have kept up compared to that era.

omega man

RedDevil55 wrote: »

Why would Dublin get any capital grants? They get free use of an 82,000 capacity stadium, which was paid for by everyone in the country. Meanwhile Pearse park in Longford needed to be repaired because of issues with the foundations. That is why they got a capital grant.

There is a clear difference with games development money.

Redevelopment of Parnell Park, new stadium maybe? I thought we shouldn’t be playing in croke Park for home matches..

Again we don’t even have a centre of excellence. The funding goes into kids for gods sake!

MattressRick

Is this thread for football related matters too?
Anyways, if cluxton and Gavin step away and Kerry keep the same team, I can see Dublin being beaten next year.
Evan comerford might be good but is untested in finals. There'll never be another cluxton. So if those 2 go I feel it would make a few counties lick their lips about next year. That Kerry team could beat Dublin without cluxton, but they could be beaten themselves next day out.