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Random EV thoughts.....

Old diesel

The main motors forum has the motors chat thread for the little things one would like to say but might not justify a thread.

Thought it might be an idea for here re hybrids and EV stuff.....

To kick off - i wonder if a new measurement for EVs might be assuming a start trip at 100 percent......

A how much range do you get with a 15 minute stop.

With a 350 kw charging a Porsche Tayman might do very well with getting on for 400 miles...

A Leaf 62 not so good.

Obviously where a car can do more then 50 kw charging we would need both a 50 kw and a whatever the cars top rate is figure*.

*IF chargers are available

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eddhorse

Not sure where to put this :
Converted VW Van

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2rNt1WHiem/?igshid=2fckgg04eobu

ELM327

zg3409 wrote: »

Easygo app for iPhone now on the Apple app store. Android app already out a while. It will allow you to start free chargers such as lidl and pay chargers such as easygo in Monaghan

Cheers for the heads up, have downloaded the app
Will sign up for the non "PAYG" option when I get my next EV
Always want to show support for private networks

zg3409

Easygo app for iPhone now on the Apple app store. Android app already out a while. It will allow you to start free chargers such as lidl and pay chargers such as easygo in Monaghan

tom_tarbucket

slave1 wrote: »

180/140 Summer/Winter...depends on a lot of factors

ok, but at least gives a rough ballpark figure, thanks.

slave1

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Whats the real world range of a 3/4 year old 30kwh Leaf?

~170/135 Summer/Winter...depends on a lot of factors

tom_tarbucket

Whats the real world range of a 3/4 year old 30kwh Leaf?

redcup342

JPA wrote: »

It does seem that a lot of car reviewers go out of their way to make things difficult when they are put in EVs.
The story is too often about charging difficulties frequently of their own making due to ignorance or probably because it gives them something to write about.

Yep,

Seen many reviews of a guy just driving the car then talking vaguely about some card they gave him for the review and feeling range anxiety.

Plugs in and then starts mashing the card off the charger saying "oh it doesn't work, they said they enabled it for Europe"

WELL EVS aren't for EVERYONE I GUESS

Or that's at least how most of the reviews seem to go :pac:

Black_Knight

No problem. There first, go for it, but the inefficiency of DC charging at high % battery is frustrating, especially when a queue has built up. Switch to AC and get someone else on that DC goodness. Perhaps too much to ask for the average driver

kanuseeme

I pulled up to a charger with a nice lady charging her leaf 30, any way a minute later she let her window down to tell me she was 88% and wanted more, she was going to clonmel (50km) .. I don't blame her or any one wanting to charge to 100% its nice to have that little extra range,

When charging for charging comes in, that lady will still charge to 100% its her nature to be cautious, on the other hand, others will not have the free juice excuse for the name calling.

Black_Knight

krissovo wrote: »

West Cork is bad alright, I have had issues in Macroom and Brandon with public chargers and the local Leaf Mafia . Mind you I also plug my Leaf into the ESB charger while I shop in Supervalu Fermoy so I am part of the problem.:cool:

On a side note I have found a couple great charging points in business car parks for employees on my travels.

I've no problem with that, you have an EV, you're going to a shop which has a free charger. Charge while you shop.
Shop while you charge on the other hand, that's cheap at an idiotic level. That, and those just just park up for 3-4 hours to get free juice. :rolleyes:

krissovo

West Cork is bad alright, I have had issues in Macroom and Brandon with public chargers and the local Leaf Mafia

. Mind you I also plug my Leaf into the ESB charger while I shop in Supervalu Fermoy so I am part of the problem.:cool:

On a side note I have found a couple great charging points in business car parks for employees on my travels.

Black_Knight

Oh public charging stations, how i've enjoyed not visiting you... until today.

Had to make an impromptu spin down to west Cork today. GOM said I could make it there and back, but said I'd add a few KM to the range at the local fast charger before heading away.

Zap Map told me the charger had been in use for the last 30 minutes, so I was hoping when i'd arrive it'd be nearly free'd up. Arrived to a Leaf30 charging away, so I said i'd wait. During my wait, a 2nd leaf arrived at some point, so there's now 2 of use waiting to charge.
25 minutes later, Leaf30 unplugs, but something's odd. Did my ESB card auth that quickly? Surely not!? Turns out this guy charged to full until the charger cut him off (with 2 people waiting to use the charger), then to "stop the charge" he swiped his card. So when I connected up the CCS to my car, I was actually charging off of his card. Had to ring E-Cars to disconnect me when I was ready to go. :mad:

Top it off, destination charger in Clonakilty seemed to be working fine, other than I couldn't recognise my car and thus wouldn't start charging. Leaf40 was charging on the other port (and idly fully charged when I got back from lunch - I parked in a regular space in the end).

I understand Leaf30 guy had every right to charge to 100% (or whatever Leafs charge to), but the ignorance is quite frustrating. Fees can't come in quick enough.

JPA

rolion wrote: »

Don't get it...so there is a rich offer of new and second hand PHEV Outlanders but some of us has to wait for Merc Audi and BMW to bring their own...is that some brand loyalty,shame or snobbish !?

I don't know what this means.

rolion

Don't get it...so there is a rich offer of new and second hand PHEV Outlanders but some of us has to wait for Merc Audi and BMW to bring their own...is that some brand loyalty,shame or snobbish !?

Old diesel

The Audi can potentially do 10 to 80 percent in 26 mins when charger is capable of allowing the Audi go at full speed .

10 to 96 percent in around 37 minutes.

This is a car with an 80 kwh available battery capacity so a fair amount of energy going in fast.

That's at an Ionity charger - and Ionity happens to be the place they charged at the start.

No times given for Ionity charging - it's fine to show that charging can be crap with bad chargers .

But why no mention of how cars did on Ionity .

Would give an opportunity to critique the poorer quality chargers .

JPA

It does seem that a lot of car reviewers go out of their way to make things difficult when they are put in EVs.
The story is too often about charging difficulties frequently of their own making due to ignorance or probably because it gives them something to write about.

Old diesel

They used the worst network in the UK and lo and behold - some bright spark in the comments interprets this as saying EVs "cant do a small journey".

The question was posed as to the value of Bjorn Neylands 1000 km challenges .

And the value is illustrating what EVs can do when all people see is "I'm being forced into this thing that doesn't work".

What the magazine did was to do 250 miles on day 1 and check into a hotel with no charging .

So we get delays on way back.

That's not really the proper EV future with better infrastructure though .

The proper future is that on that trip planned as they did - you would charge over night on a destination charger at hotel.

Its then an easy trip.

If you want to do that trip there and back in one day then on a 250 mile range car - it's probably 2 x 25 minute stops in future at high speed chargers.

And that could drop further.

Ecotricity are only 50 kw chargers - but that Etron is a proven 150 kw charging car at ultra fast chargers.

That's 150 kw to fairly high SOC.

Merc is 107 kw on Ionity and still holds a good speed up to high SOC

(SOC = state of charge)

What it took to recharge

Lumen

Electric SUV megatest: Mercedes EQC vs luxury rivals
Merc's EV faces a tough, real-world test against rivals, the Audi E-tron, Jaguar I-Pace and Tesla Model X
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/electric-suv-megatest-mercedes-eqc-vs-luxury-rivals

Guess which one wouldn't charge properly? :pac:

Surprisingly the eTron has almost the range of the X in this test, despite having much lower WLTP, and it's also the cheapest (albeit slowest). It seems like Tesla really does need to sort its road noise out if it's to compete in this segment.

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The Black Oil

Bjorn's on some uploading spree tonight.

charlieIRL

McGiver wrote: »

Nissan granny is 6m. You can buy OEM type1 to 3pin 10m granny for about 300.

There’s a granny cable coming with the car but it will only be used at home the odd time (I’ll be doing most of my charging at work)
I won’t be getting a home charger for a while I think so the granny one will have to do

SuprSi

I'd love that, would ahve the x5 40e now except it only has 20km range at best

BMW now have the X45e for sale. Looks great, 24Kw battery and 6 cylinder petrol engine giving decent range on battery alone, depending on where you look, but over 40 miles is the minimum I've seen quoted.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/x5/2020/2020-bmw-x5-xdrive45e-plug-in-hybrid-first-drive-review/

McGiver

Nissan granny is 6m. You can buy OEM type1 to 3pin 10m granny for about 300.

zg3409

charlieIRL wrote: »

Cheers thanks a million. I live out the country so can feed the cable through a small window no problem. It can go directly to a socket which is also near the fuse box!! How long are granny cables? Or is there a generic length (i.e. 5m or so?) I must see how close I’d have to park tpcthe house.

Generally the car comes with one, and there is no standard length. Also some cars connect middle front, others front side, others where the old petrol filler is. So depending on how you park you may need to add the length of the car. Nissan seems to be 6 metres

charlieIRL

Cheers thanks a million. I live out the country so can feed the cable through a small window no problem. It can go directly to a socket which is also near the fuse box!! How long are granny cables? Or is there a generic length (i.e. 5m or so?) I must see how close I’d have to park tpcthe house.

zg3409

charlieIRL wrote: »

Can you use a granny cable in any 3 pin socket in a house? or does it need a dedicated socket straight from the fuseboard?

Yes and no. First issue is getting cable from inside to outside, many granny cables are quite short so may not reach inside the house. Next getting the cable in and closing the window or door securely overnight can be an issue. In my case the granny cable plug and control box would not fit through the letter box. I used a short extension cable with a waterproof socket on the end, and thus could fit through the letter box, and would work on rainy nights. You must fully unreel the cable as it WILL catch fire otherwise. I would also recommend using a socket close to the fuseboard and one with little wear and tear such as the hallway socket. I replaced my socket with a brand new one, just to be safe and I charged first at daytime in case anything overheated and started a fire. The cables do get quite warm after a couple of hours. Lastly granny cables charge quite slowly typically 10 amp or 2000 watts. This can be a problem if you need a full charge and have a large battery. A typical modern 64kwh car might take 30 hours to fill up, but you are unlikely to need that much range each day and overnight is probably OK for 160km commute.

charlieIRL

Can you use a granny cable in any 3 pin socket in a house? or does it need a dedicated socket straight from the fuseboard?

unkel

krissovo wrote: »

Our American friends have only just recently realised that cars can & should go around corners fast, both left & right corners :P

I heard NASCAR have recently moved away from carburetted engines?

:rolleyes:

KCross

Mike9832 wrote: »

Merc are putting the same 30kWh pack in the Sprinter van too apparently, which should give 80km or so range

I like the road they are going down, as long as they offer full BEV too

I'm a little torn on the road that the Germans are going down.... its very heavy on the PHEV side.

I can understand their reasoning though with the price of batteries and WLTP emissions targets and the need to stay profitable.

If they can offer PHEV with a worst case 50km+ range all year round then I could accept that but if they offer token EV range (30km) just to meet their emissions targets then I'm against it.

Having said that the recent PHEV announcements from Merc, PSA and BMW have all been decent, spec wise. I'm definitely going to drive a few of them unless some decent BEV's become available at better price points.

Looking forward to what comes out of the Frankfurt motor show. It sounds like there will be a slew of EV stuff at it!

Mike9832

KCross wrote: »

I'm still on the fence as to how PHEV works with diesel but if they have got it right it will work like any other PHEV.... the engine kicks in when you need the burst of power (i.e. use that 300hp all you like) and then once you are up to cruising speed you are on electric. That 140hp with instant torque will be ideally suited to this kind of heavy SUV.

You shouldnt look at a PHEV as one or the other. Use both motor and engine as required.

And it can tow upto 3500kg.... thats going to be a popular choice for horseboxes!

Merc are putting the same 30kWh pack in the Sprinter van too apparently, which should give 80km or so range

I like the road they are going down, as long as they offer full BEV too

KCross

krissovo wrote: »

The Merc is good effort and sounds great on paper but who could live with electric only 140hp doing the weekly commute when you have over 300 available. Its ok if you are nose to tail for most of it but I certainly would not have discipline. Its great flexibility though even though its inefficient use of resources.

I'm still on the fence as to how PHEV works with diesel but if they have got it right it will work like any other PHEV.... the engine kicks in when you need the burst of power (i.e. use that 300hp all you like) and then once you are up to cruising speed you are on electric. That 140hp with instant torque will be ideally suited to this kind of heavy SUV.

You shouldnt look at a PHEV as one or the other. Use both motor and engine as required.

And it can tow upto 3500kg.... thats going to be a popular choice for horseboxes!