Strazdas wrote: » There's a bit of a siege mentality with them. They hate anyone who is opposed to Brexit and who doesn't believe in it. That would be half the UK and most of the rest of the world.
Strazdas wrote: » Isn't it very telling that when he goes to an EU state, there isn't a single British person to support him? Pro-Johnson people would have been free to stand there and cheer him on.
Leroy42 wrote: » Again, we are back to thinking that Johnson is going to pull a fast one and magically deliver against the odds. But there is no evidence of his ability to do anything close to that. Johnson clearly has charisma but he has never shown any ability. He has lost 6 votes already. He has lost 20+ MPs in the last few weeks. But the media in the UK continues to put faith that not only will he get a deal from the EU but somehow get a divided house to pass it.
Igotadose wrote: » Watch the All-Ireland final here on the outskirts of west kerry on Saturday at the local tigh tabhairine. Chatting at the pub, I was surprised that the locals thought there'd be a deal. Just a matter of faith - they all wanted a deal (farming and fishing being the 2 employers here besides the various State jobs and tourism.) I pointed out the best deal was Remain, it seemed like I was speaking Greek. Also a strong sentiment was that the locals wanted Brexit to end, not a lot of love for the UK here (Martin Ferris was a long-time TD for the area), but all wanted 'a deal.' It didn't compute with them when I pointed out what you were saying, Johnson is beyond inept, setting a record for most lost votes at the start of his premiership, lost more than Thatcher after 11 years, etc. Lots of faith in that there would be a deal. Ahh well.
Enzokk wrote: » As for those facts, Faisal Islam has a thread about business and their reaction to no-deal..... That is on relocation's, seems that just about 2/3rds aren't planning to relocate but the rest are planning to, have already drawn up plans or are in the process of doing so.
pauldla wrote: » Had a quick look through some of the Brexit groups on FB (Leave Means Leave and Brexit News, to be exact) and the general consensus there is that Johnson did the right thing by not speaking, the 'press conference' was a set-up, and Luxembourg don't produce anything and only sponge off the UK etc etc (things go downhill from there). It's very hard to reach out to that mindset.
54and56 wrote: » German friend of mine who is a senior guy with a car parts manufacturer told me they have two facilities in the UK employing close to 2,000 people. Their Brexit planning is complete and very straightforward. Option 1 - If there's a Withdrawal Agreement they carry on with their UK factories. Option 2 - If there's a No Deal Brexit his immediate job is to shut down both factories straight away. No if's or but's. Hanging around seeing how things may or may not play out in a No Deal Brexit is too risky for them financially. They know what it'll cost them to shut both factories down straight away and move production elsewhere in the group so that is what they have resolved to do. The decision is made, it's only a question of whether events will trigger Option 1 or Option 2.
Peregrinus wrote: » It means - if it means anything - that he has, or thinks he has, a strategy which will prevent the Benn Bill from having its intended effect and result in an extension, but he doesn't want to disclose that strategy in case, once people know what it is, they will find a way to counter it.
CelticRambler wrote: » Bettel made reference to a flaw in the Remain campaign in the UK, one which I have previously said applied also to the EU: that not enough was said loudly and clearly about how and why the EU was a force for good in the lives of ordinary UK citizens.
Deleted User wrote: » Bettel, " we will not grant another extension, just for the sake of granting another extension!", Boris will get his no-deal Brexit simply by sitting on his hands! The letter requesting another extension becomes worthless.
Joe_ Public wrote: » Have to say he sounded very sincere when he was making that statement so something will likely have to change in the UK for that extension request to stand a better chance. The subtext of it might have been get rid of this PM, force a GE and then you will get your extension, but thats reading between the lines.
Igotadose wrote: » Understandable, but wow must suck to be the lad has to fire a couple thousand people. I imagine your friend is fairly highly placed and this is solid info. I don't envy your friend even a little, this is business though. I thought (US experience here) closing facilities in the UK is a 'big deal,' takes a long time and the government, at least in the past, tried to mitigate the impact on the employees, they had long periods of time with some compensation. My experience though is the early 2000's working for a US firm that closed a UK office,as I recall the employees could come to work for 6 weeks on something like full salary to look for jobs via the office computers, etc.
Call me Al wrote: » I also saw several references to ingratitude after the Brits had to rescue their country from the Germans during WW2, and the fact that since the population there is so small they're an insignificant country.. It's a predictable depressing script at this stage.
Akrasia wrote: » All Boris has to do for the next two weeks is travel around Europe and insult the families and national heroes of the Heads of State of the EU27 in the hope that one of them will hold a grudge and veto an extension.
Igotadose wrote: » I recall the employees could come to work for 6 weeks on something like full salary to look for jobs via the office computers, etc.
briany wrote: » I'd say forcing a 2nd referendum would be a better bet. The opposition have the parliamentary numbers to get this over the line, in theory. Not that the opposition are unified in their thinking - far from it, but as things come to the crunch and real desperate panic sets in, and Boris looks content to know that simple inertia will get Brexit over the line, voting for a 2nd ref would be the move that pulls the UK plane out of its determined nosedive.
CelticRambler wrote: » Remember: for another 44 days, the 50m Brits who didn't vote or Brexit are EU citizens too.
DOCARCH wrote: » That struck me as potentially part of the strategy yesterday. Get to a point where no extension is offered.
knipex wrote: » Apparently the people booing him were British. In the main British migrants but British none the less.
Akrasia wrote: » I'd love for a 2nd ref to be called with the options being remain or May's deal because remain would almost certainly win, but Corbyn is a leaver and given the opportunity he will probably get a different deal with different 'red lines' that will change the numbers on a 2nd referendum,
knipex wrote: » I sincerely doubt it. Corbyn is toxic to large swathes of voters.
Enzokk wrote: » For anyone looking for a link, here is the Supreme Court hearing on youtube - Guardian page.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDH4TGDMvFw
Igotadose wrote: » Understandable, but wow must suck to be the lad has to fire a couple thousand people. I imagine your friend is fairly highly placed and this is solid info.
Igotadose wrote: » I don't envy your friend even a little, this is business though. I thought (US experience here) closing facilities in the UK is a 'big deal,' takes a long time and the government, at least in the past, tried to mitigate the impact on the employees, they had long periods of time with some compensation. My experience though is the early 2000's working for a US firm that closed a UK office,as I recall the employees could come to work for 6 weeks on something like full salary to look for jobs via the office computers, etc.
lawred2 wrote: » Don't know why but I feel like the only likely outcome is one that falls on the side of government..
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » While I enjoyed Bettel introducing a dose of reality, I can't help but feel this was a tactical misstep. We all know Johnson and co. are preparing to play the blame game and no doubt the Brexiters will seize on this as evidence of the EU's unacceptable attitude. Even listening to Channel 4 news earlier they were talking about how Bettel was making the most of his moment.
