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Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

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This is the tenth incarnation of our Brexit discussion thread, so Ive copied ACDs comments from the last thread to here. Same warnings etc still apply:

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Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1173601651996991488

The protesters were British expats apparently.

[Deleted User]

Bettel, " we will not grant another extension, just for the sake of granting another extension!", Boris will get his no-deal Brexit simply by sitting on his hands!
The letter requesting another extension becomes worthless.

[Deleted User]

That was some speech and series of answers from the Luxembourg PM. The power of the EU on full display right there as the head of a nation of a population of 600k takes such an important stand.

Joe_ Public

Deleted User wrote: »

Bettel, " we will not grant another extension, just for the sake of granting another extension!", Boris will get his no-deal Brexit simply by sitting on his hands!
The letter requesting another extension becomes worthless.

Have to say he sounded very sincere when he was making that statement so something will likely have to change in the UK for that extension request to stand a better chance. The subtext of it might have been get rid of this PM, force a GE and then you will get your extension, but thats reading between the lines.

lawred2

Joe_ Public wrote: »

The Express is just so preposterously biased, even hardened brexiteers must be ashamed by it. There'll be a story later with a headline saying the Lux prime minister slammed for his treatment of Boris Johnson and its source will be a couple of angry tweets from some twitter no marks with 50 followers between them!

They are not ashamed of it. It echoes exactly what their own thoughts are

[Deleted User]

briany wrote: »

Yeah, but that's playing at home. Johnson didn't want to play away.

Boris is well used to "playing away".

Ask the ex wives. :pac:

Professor Moriarty

J Mysterio wrote: »

Not sure if you've made this up or not, but it's fully believable.

It's true.

[Deleted User]

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Have to say he sounded very sincere when he was making that statement so something will likely have to change in the UK for that extension request to stand a better chance. The subtext of it might have been get rid of this PM, force a GE and then you will get your extension, but thats reading between the lines.

The only reading between the lines I see is, "Ireland brace yourself, we will protect the single market!" In the event of a no-deal, you'll have to decide about the hard border.

briany

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Have to say he sounded very sincere when he was making that statement so something will likely have to change in the UK for that extension request to stand a better chance. The subtext of it might have been get rid of this PM, force a GE and then you will get your extension, but thats reading between the lines.

I'd say forcing a 2nd referendum would be a better bet. The opposition have the parliamentary numbers to get this over the line, in theory. Not that the opposition are unified in their thinking - far from it, but as things come to the crunch and real desperate panic sets in, and Boris looks content to know that simple inertia will get Brexit over the line, voting for a 2nd ref would be the move that pulls the UK plane out of its determined nosedive.

PropJoe10

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Have to say he sounded very sincere when he was making that statement so something will likely have to change in the UK for that extension request to stand a better chance. The subtext of it might have been get rid of this PM, force a GE and then you will get your extension, but thats reading between the lines.

I would say that a no-confidence vote in Johnson and a temporary government before a GE would do the trick there.

Joe_ Public

Deleted User wrote: »

The only reading between the lines I see is, "Ireland brace yourself, we will protect the single market!" In the event of a no-deal, you'll have to decide about the hard border.

On the other hand, he was very warm in his words about Leo and reassuring in their commitment to Ireland and the GFA, however much the border question is going to sting. I read that as them saying, look this is going to be tough for you, but you'll get every assistance from us we can give you.

Nate--IRL--

Deleted User wrote: »

The only reading between the lines I see is, "Ireland brace yourself, we will protect the single market!" In the event of a no-deal, you'll have to decide about the hard border.

There is no decision.

Nate

Joe_ Public

briany wrote: »

I'd say forcing a 2nd referendum would be a better bet. The opposition have the parliamentary numbers to get this over the line, in theory. Not that the opposition are unified in their thinking - far from it, but as things come to the crunch and real desperate panic sets in, and Boris looks content to know that simple inertia will get Brexit over the line, voting for a 2nd ref would be the move that pulls the UK plane out of its determined nosedive.

That seems complicated to me for a couple of reasons. What do you base the referendum on and you also have to count on getting an extension beyond january which the eu has to offer.

[Deleted User]

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

There is no decision.

Nate

In that case, hard border it is and all the troubles that come with it.

boggerman1

After today's stunt by the incredible sulk the sooner the UK leaves the better.Johnson/cummings wants a crash out so let them have it.the EU needs to move on with life and leave England sew in its mess

Nate--IRL--

Deleted User wrote: »

In that case, hard border it is and all the troubles that come with it.

Correct.

Nate

Joe_ Public

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I would say that a no-confidence vote in Johnson and a temporary government before a GE would do the trick there.

Have always had a feeling in the pit of my stomach that the legislation on its own would prove inadequate and we'd be back to the conundrum of temporary governments and who would lead it and all the malarkey we saw the last time it cropped up. Far from straightforward, but i still think it might end up being the only way.

PropJoe10

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Have always had a feeling in the pit of my stomach that the legislation on its own would prove inadequate and we'd be back to the conundrum of temporary governments and who would lead it and all the malarkey we saw the last time it cropped up. Far from straightforward, but i still think it might end up being the only way.

Likewise. Get someone reasonable in there with moderate and realistic views (Kenneth Clarke comes to mind) before a GE, and I'd say the EU would be okay with another extension. If that doesn't happen, then its a No Deal unfortunately.

quokula

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1173607985911873542

The BBC really is nothing more than a Tory propoganda distributor these days.

Itssoeasy

Strazdas wrote: »

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The brexiteer Pram is being emptied of toys on social media. The general tone is how dare the EU do this to a U.K. Prime minister ?

Good.....'they don't like it up 'em' as Corporal Jones would say.

Dads army ?

boggerman1

Laura k showing she is totally out of her depth.clueless.meanwhile on lbc farage is having a field day about the nasty European's and the "humiliation" of poor old Johnson.even a reporter on lbc that I thought was ok on lbc Theo usherwood is now spouting the propaganda of plucky Britain.

Joe_ Public

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Likewise. Get someone reasonable in there with moderate and realistic views (Kenneth Clarke comes to mind) before a GE, and I'd say the EU would be okay with another extension. If that doesn't happen, then its a No Deal unfortunately.

If it does come down to it and then fails to materialise, then it'll be because all those mps who kept telling us no deal was the worst thing that could possibly happen their country didn't actually turn out to be the case. I would imagine many of them are just hoping it doesnt have to come to making that choice, we'll just have to wait and see i guess.

SeaBreezes

The UK don't want any deal as that would mean paying tax on their offshore accounts and that is the whole point of bankrolling Brexit.. who cares how the peasants suffer after a hard exit and crash. Dont Boris, JRM and Farage all make MORE money the harder they can crash the economy? And their paymasters?

Boris had nothing new and is wasting EU diplomats time to pretend like he wants a deal. EU are frustrated at being played like this, and express thus frustration. Playing right into the hands of Brexiteers... 'how dare this foreigner of a small country tell us how to behave'
Media stir up the racist and no deal Brexit becomes a 'we'll show them'

Either way the 1% win.

storker

briany wrote: »

Yeah, but that's playing at home. Johnson didn't want to play away.

That makes a change...

Strazdas

Johnson seemed to tell Laura K on BBC News at 6 he would break the law if necessary to leave the EU on Oct 31

serfboard

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Boris had nothing new and is wasting EU diplomats time to pretend like he wants a deal. EU are frustrated at being played like this

You have to wonder if this is another part of the "gaming" strategy of Cummings - p1ss the European leaders off so much that they won't grant an extension.

In which case they should do as Andrew Adonis suggested, and give the UK an extension of 500 years!

Zubeneschamali

Deleted User wrote: »

In that case, hard border it is and all the troubles that come with it.

For a short while until the UK comes to its senses. A month, perhaps.

prunudo

Strazdas wrote: »

Johnson seemed to tell Laura K on BBC News at 6 he would break the law if necessary to leave the EU on Oct 31

Was it just me or was the audio of Bettel of a bad quality in that report, were they trying to prove a point as why Boris didn't go out. Certainly didn't sound as audible as snippets on other news outlets that I've heard of the speech.

A Shropshire Lad

British PM humiliated by Luxembourg

How the mighty have fallen

Seth Brundle

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The only reading between the lines I see is, "Ireland brace yourself, we will protect the single market!" In the event of a no-deal, you'll have to decide about the hard border.

This was always going to be the case if the UK chose the default exit.
We suffer from their choices but it's a no brain decision for us to stay within the EU.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In that case, hard border it is and all the troubles that come with it.

Anyone who starts that crap again is a traitor to Ireland.
However a hard Brexit is the most likely thing to help deliver a united Ireland!