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Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

johnnyskeleton

This is the tenth incarnation of our Brexit discussion thread, so Ive copied ACDs comments from the last thread to here. Same warnings etc still apply:

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Professor Moriarty

J Mysterio wrote: »

Boris came out and was roundly booed.
I don't think they will have the conference with the booing.

And......it's cancelled.

Headshot

How does this look that the Luxembourg PM Xavier having new conference on his own without BJ....

It's great to see the Luxembourg PM backing Ireland all the way and the crowd cheering him on. Great to have friends across Europe

Strazdas

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

And......it's cancelled.

What on earth happened......he left the Lux PM to face the music alone?

Kermit.de.frog

Headshot wrote: »

How does this look that the Luxembourg PM Xavier having new conference on his own without BJ....

It's great to see the Luxembourg PM backing Ireland all the way and the crowd cheering him on. Great to have friends across Europe

Really laying in.

"Won't let Varadkar down"

"No new proposal, time for talk is over"

"No extension unless valid reason"

The crowd cheered when he was talking about the border.

Zubeneschamali

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

5. I can't see the Brexit Party or UKIP making any serious inroads into the Tory vote

UKIP are history, but the polling shows that IF Brexit does not happen in October, the Brexit Party takes something like 10% from the Tories in a subsequent election.

By my reckoning, there were 67 seats where the Tories won by less than a 10% margin, with 8 going to the LDs and the rest to Labour.

[Edit: this is not my prediction, just the result of applying a 10% bite out of the tory vote globally to all the 2107 results. Other things will also have changed since then]

Headshot

Xavier Bettel is really laying it into Brexit

Go wan Luxembourg PM

Seth Brundle

Headshot wrote: »

It's great to see the Luxembourg PM backing Ireland all the way and the crowd cheering him on. Great to have friends across Europe

Indeed...

PM Xavier Bettel wrote:

The Irish are part of the EU family

Strazdas

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Really laying in.

"Won't let Varadkar down"

"No new proposal, time for talk is over"

"No extension unless valid reason"

The crowd cheered when he was talking about the border.

He's accusing Johnson of waffling / spoofing in public and no new real proposals.

quokula

VinLieger wrote: »

Labour and specifically Corbyn have been consistent in their fence sitting, nothing more.

If half the electorate vote for one thing, and the other half vote for the opposite, the responsible thing to do is to find common ground and find a way to compromise, rather than just pretend you can just suppress half the country and they'll quietly fall in line.

Calina

Bettel is one hell of a speaker. I think it speaks volumes that he came out, highlighted the right to demonstrate and did his job as PM.

Guardian has covered this. But I wonder how much other - eg - TV news coverage there will be later.

Itssoeasy

I'd buy the Luxembourg PM a pint. He's not sugar coating the mess that brexit is. Fair play and the anti EU cant say it's the bigger countries like France and Germany doing this.

Enzokk

This is so weird, having only one leader present making a statement and taking questions. It is a bad look not taking any questions because of some protests. It was mentioned on Remainiacs that Johnson wants to be liked more than anything else and this is not happening. It must be grinding him that he is despised and probably why he is not facing up to the press.

Strong finish to the press conference. Brexit is a mess you made, don't blame us for it.

Headshot

Was anyone else clapping when Xavier Bettel finished with the news conference

PropJoe10

This Luxembourg PM isn't holding back anyway! Showing Johnson up for the spoofer that he is. This situation is an absolute disgrace of the highest degree.

Seth Brundle

Headshot wrote: »

Xavier Bettel is really laying it into Brexit

Go wan Luxembourg PM

That was some speech!
There can't be any doubt now in WM about the Eurpoean sentiment towards the current situation.

Itssoeasy

Calina wrote: »

Bettel is one hell of a speaker. I think it speaks volumes that he came out, highlighted the right to demonstrate and did his job as PM.

Guardian has covered this. But I wonder how much other - eg - TV news coverage there will be later.

Well the sky news reporter is saying he seemed to be playing the camera.

J Mysterio

That was excellent from Bettel, he destroyed the UK political class and in particular the Tories. Called them perfectly on their disgraceful behaviour. Another PR disaster from Johnson. Skipping out from a press conference to boos and then being told the hard truth. The game is up.

Strazdas

Calina wrote: »

Bettel is one hell of a speaker. I think it speaks volumes that he came out, highlighted the right to demonstrate and did his job as PM.

Guardian has covered this. But I wonder how much other - eg - TV news coverage there will be later.

Johnson running away to boos and the Lux PM being so passionate should make the UK bulletins.

It sounds like he was exasperated with Johnson's bluffing today.

lawred2

Hopefully some kind poster will share a replay of Bettel's conference... at work here

Headshot

lawred2 wrote: »

Hopefully some kind poster will share a replay of Bettel's conference... at work here

Go to 14:32

Strazdas

lawred2 wrote: »

Hopefully some kind poster will share a replay of Bettel's conference... at work here

It's a great conference. The anti-Johnson protesters are all cheering Bettel as he takes questions.

Calina

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Calina wrote: »

Bettel is one hell of a speaker. I think it speaks volumes that he came out, highlighted the right to demonstrate and did his job as PM.

Guardian has covered this. But I wonder how much other - eg - TV news coverage there will be later.

Well the sky news reporter is saying he seemed to be playing the camera.

What I mean is how much the UK news will highlight Johnson's no show at the press conference. I suspect it will not be the top story.

briany

So, no extension without a good reason? Think it's time for HM Opposition to break that emergency glass.

PropJoe10

Strazdas wrote: »

Johnson running away to boos and the Lux PM being so passionate should make the UK bulletins.

It sounds like he was exasperated with Johnson's bluffing today.

I'd say that's only the tip of the iceberg of how exasperated they all are. Two years of negotiation down the drain, spoofing and blame game now fully underway in Downing Street.

It only convinces me more and more that the idea of a civilised and orderly Brexit is an impossible fantasy. The UK hasn't put forward any concrete ideas because no options exist. Simple as. It's going to be either May's deal, a crash out, or the end of Brexit.

Zubeneschamali

Calina wrote: »

I suspect it will not be the top story.

Time to dust off the Iran War/Trump/Coronation Street stories to hide this embarrassment.

Adamcp898

Em, why wasn't the press conference just moved indoors?

The response to this from Brexit/Boris/Tory supporters is quite obvious and will only entrench things even further (if possible). And that was without the Luxembourg PM deciding to proceed alone.

[Deleted User]

Wow, Bettel is really Pissed Off.

Was anybody watching it on the BBC news? The news presenter was very funny at the end of the press conference.

"The prime minister speaking there with clarity and passion"

*pause*

"The Luxemburg prime minister"

farmchoice

Calina wrote: »

What I mean is how much the UK news will highlight Johnson's no show at the press conference. I suspect it will not be the top story.

it will probably be pretty much ignored, after leo tore him apart to his face last week i assumed it would be all over the British media, hardly a peep.

[Deleted User]

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Em, why wasn't the press conference just moved indoors?

Yup, how were the protesters so close?

There is a touch of a setup about it but the British diplomats should surely have known a protest was a possibility and been prepared to work around it???

Rather strange.

VinLieger

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Em, why wasn't the press conference just moved indoors?

The response to this from Brexit/Boris/Tory supporters is quite obvious and will only entrench things even further (if possible). And that was without the Luxembourg PM deciding to proceed alone.

Why should they move it inside to protect his fragile ego?

And tbh he would have got far more play with the hard brexiteers if he stood up in front of the podium and let the crowd shout over him every time he uttered a lie or nonsense answer.