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Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

johnnyskeleton

This is the tenth incarnation of our Brexit discussion thread, so Ive copied ACDs comments from the last thread to here. Same warnings etc still apply:

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Zubeneschamali

Calina wrote: »

I suspect it will not be the top story.

Time to dust off the Iran War/Trump/Coronation Street stories to hide this embarrassment.

PropJoe10

Strazdas wrote: »

Johnson running away to boos and the Lux PM being so passionate should make the UK bulletins.

It sounds like he was exasperated with Johnson's bluffing today.

I'd say that's only the tip of the iceberg of how exasperated they all are. Two years of negotiation down the drain, spoofing and blame game now fully underway in Downing Street.

It only convinces me more and more that the idea of a civilised and orderly Brexit is an impossible fantasy. The UK hasn't put forward any concrete ideas because no options exist. Simple as. It's going to be either May's deal, a crash out, or the end of Brexit.

briany

So, no extension without a good reason? Think it's time for HM Opposition to break that emergency glass.

Calina

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Calina wrote: »

Bettel is one hell of a speaker. I think it speaks volumes that he came out, highlighted the right to demonstrate and did his job as PM.

Guardian has covered this. But I wonder how much other - eg - TV news coverage there will be later.

Well the sky news reporter is saying he seemed to be playing the camera.

What I mean is how much the UK news will highlight Johnson's no show at the press conference. I suspect it will not be the top story.

Strazdas

lawred2 wrote: »

Hopefully some kind poster will share a replay of Bettel's conference... at work here

It's a great conference. The anti-Johnson protesters are all cheering Bettel as he takes questions.

Headshot

lawred2 wrote: »

Hopefully some kind poster will share a replay of Bettel's conference... at work here

Go to 14:32

lawred2

Hopefully some kind poster will share a replay of Bettel's conference... at work here

Strazdas

Calina wrote: »

Bettel is one hell of a speaker. I think it speaks volumes that he came out, highlighted the right to demonstrate and did his job as PM.

Guardian has covered this. But I wonder how much other - eg - TV news coverage there will be later.

Johnson running away to boos and the Lux PM being so passionate should make the UK bulletins.

It sounds like he was exasperated with Johnson's bluffing today.

J Mysterio

That was excellent from Bettel, he destroyed the UK political class and in particular the Tories. Called them perfectly on their disgraceful behaviour. Another PR disaster from Johnson. Skipping out from a press conference to boos and then being told the hard truth. The game is up.

Itssoeasy

Calina wrote: »

Bettel is one hell of a speaker. I think it speaks volumes that he came out, highlighted the right to demonstrate and did his job as PM.

Guardian has covered this. But I wonder how much other - eg - TV news coverage there will be later.

Well the sky news reporter is saying he seemed to be playing the camera.

Seth Brundle

Headshot wrote: »

Xavier Bettel is really laying it into Brexit

Go wan Luxembourg PM

That was some speech!
There can't be any doubt now in WM about the Eurpoean sentiment towards the current situation.

PropJoe10

This Luxembourg PM isn't holding back anyway! Showing Johnson up for the spoofer that he is. This situation is an absolute disgrace of the highest degree.

Headshot

Was anyone else clapping when Xavier Bettel finished with the news conference

Enzokk

This is so weird, having only one leader present making a statement and taking questions. It is a bad look not taking any questions because of some protests. It was mentioned on Remainiacs that Johnson wants to be liked more than anything else and this is not happening. It must be grinding him that he is despised and probably why he is not facing up to the press.

Strong finish to the press conference. Brexit is a mess you made, don't blame us for it.

Itssoeasy

I'd buy the Luxembourg PM a pint. He's not sugar coating the mess that brexit is. Fair play and the anti EU cant say it's the bigger countries like France and Germany doing this.

Calina

Bettel is one hell of a speaker. I think it speaks volumes that he came out, highlighted the right to demonstrate and did his job as PM.

Guardian has covered this. But I wonder how much other - eg - TV news coverage there will be later.

quokula

VinLieger wrote: »

Labour and specifically Corbyn have been consistent in their fence sitting, nothing more.

If half the electorate vote for one thing, and the other half vote for the opposite, the responsible thing to do is to find common ground and find a way to compromise, rather than just pretend you can just suppress half the country and they'll quietly fall in line.

Strazdas

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Really laying in.

"Won't let Varadkar down"

"No new proposal, time for talk is over"

"No extension unless valid reason"

The crowd cheered when he was talking about the border.

He's accusing Johnson of waffling / spoofing in public and no new real proposals.

Seth Brundle

Headshot wrote: »

It's great to see the Luxembourg PM backing Ireland all the way and the crowd cheering him on. Great to have friends across Europe

Indeed...

PM Xavier Bettel wrote:

The Irish are part of the EU family

Headshot

Xavier Bettel is really laying it into Brexit

Go wan Luxembourg PM

Zubeneschamali

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

5. I can't see the Brexit Party or UKIP making any serious inroads into the Tory vote

UKIP are history, but the polling shows that IF Brexit does not happen in October, the Brexit Party takes something like 10% from the Tories in a subsequent election.

By my reckoning, there were 67 seats where the Tories won by less than a 10% margin, with 8 going to the LDs and the rest to Labour.

[Edit: this is not my prediction, just the result of applying a 10% bite out of the tory vote globally to all the 2107 results. Other things will also have changed since then]

Kermit.de.frog

Headshot wrote: »

How does this look that the Luxembourg PM Xavier having new conference on his own without BJ....

It's great to see the Luxembourg PM backing Ireland all the way and the crowd cheering him on. Great to have friends across Europe

Really laying in.

"Won't let Varadkar down"

"No new proposal, time for talk is over"

"No extension unless valid reason"

The crowd cheered when he was talking about the border.

Strazdas

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

And......it's cancelled.

What on earth happened......he left the Lux PM to face the music alone?

Headshot

How does this look that the Luxembourg PM Xavier having new conference on his own without BJ....

It's great to see the Luxembourg PM backing Ireland all the way and the crowd cheering him on. Great to have friends across Europe

Professor Moriarty

J Mysterio wrote: »

Boris came out and was roundly booed.
I don't think they will have the conference with the booing.

And......it's cancelled.

J Mysterio

Boris came out and was roundly booed.
I don't think they will have the conference with the booing.

Headshot

You have to laugh at the UK Government who are saying that Brexit discussion with intensify and meetings with take place daily now.

They are bit late aren't they for a government who are meant to be looking for a deal. It's all smoke and mirrors with the Government. They have no intention of getting a deal.

20silkcut

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Why would it?

Just we are geographically very close and we have nutters over here too.

Lots of latent anti immigrant sentiment in this country too.

20silkcut

J Mysterio wrote: »

Its a good article. The UK is already screwed though, in my opinion. Societal discourse, politics, hopelessnesly riven.

This can't be put back together again, its effectively a civil war, though the violence hasn't started.

I remember in school we studied the novel lord of the flies by William Golding. The parallels with the brexit situation are startling. Posh English school boys stranded on a desert island. Started off pragmatic and organized invented a beast to fear and hate and descended into chaos. If that’s a blueprint for all this it doesn’t end well.

LeinsterDub

quokula wrote: »

Yeah Labour have consistently been the only adults in the room on Brexit, trying to reconcile the two halves of the country, and been consistently pilloried for being too complex.

As if the entire future of the country for decades to come should only be decided in a way that fits into a cheap soundbite.

You can't reconcile two diametrically opposite positions. There is no middle, you're either in or out.