Tombo2001 wrote: » No I dont get that population doesnt matter. What you are referring to - 'the size of a few rural parishes' is the the entire Northside of Dublin City. Thats a lot of people. Where incidentally are the vast swathes of GAA Wasteland in Dublin.
BarryD2 wrote: » Because if you're going to make an argument to challenge the success of Dublin at AI level, you need to look first at Leinster where they have dominated since 2005, 14 years with one blip. That could be the future.
Powerhouse wrote: » I never said population doesn't matter. I just addressed the point that Dublin was picking across several counties since these counties are arbitrary changing local government areas, and other counties also have more than one area of local government administration. Never mentioned population. I pointed out the area I pointed out simply to say that rather than relying on three counties much of Dublin's pick is from a fairly compact area. Never mentioned population for two reasons, 1) it's already clearly established that Dublin has a relatively big and dense population so what's the value of me pointing that put again?, and 2) Dublin also has large numbers of others sports which draw from the same population. Wastelands? Try Dublin 1, Dublin 24? Even in Dublin 15 where it'd be considered healthy you have what three players(?) in the Dublin squad from a population of 100,000 plus? Even within such active places there are small wastelands. Population matters but not to the extent people claim (Dublin had the same population advantage when they weren't winning) and is quite a complex matter. Dublin's population is so diverse compared with other counties.
Tombo2001 wrote: » OK - lets park the issue around cherry picking players from other counties. I would feel that an advantage Dublin has is that GAA is strong all over the city, and in Fingal & DLR. There are very few weak points. Very few places you can go to where GAA is not the leading sport. We've both mentioned Dublin 1 as an obvious one.Dublin 15 has a number of very strong clubs. Dublin 24 has Thomas Davis and St Marks. Yes, its a big soccer area but certainly decent gaa clubs there also. Hardly a wasteland or untapped territory. In all these areas, the local GAA clubs are comfortably the biggest sports clubs around. Whereas I'd look out to Meath and the likes of Trim which is a big soccer and hurling town, but less so football.
Slattsy wrote: » This is so far off the mark its laughable.
Tombo2001 wrote: » Plunkets, Brigids, Castleknock.... yeah laughable. :rolleyes:
Tombo2001 wrote: » OK - lets park the issue around cherry picking players from other counties. I would feel that an advantage Dublin has is that GAA is strong all over the city, and in Fingal & DLR. There are very few weak points. Very few places you can go to where GAA is not the leading sport. We've both mentioned Dublin 1 as an obvious one. Dublin 15 has a number of very strong clubs. Dublin 24 has Thomas Davis and St Marks. Yes, its a big soccer area but certainly decent gaa clubs there also. Hardly a wasteland or untapped territory. In all these areas, the local GAA clubs are comfortably the biggest sports clubs around. Whereas I'd look out to Meath and the likes of Trim which is a big soccer and hurling town, but less so football.
blanch152 wrote: » Castleknock???? They only opened their first clubhouse a couple of weeks ago, hardly a huge club. And it was only a small one, with no bar licence.
Powerhouse wrote: » But it's funny how people mention population when it comes to Dublin but then don't consider the amount of population these clubs technically cater for. You have a few clubs across a hundred thousand people. In most counties there's be 40/50/60 clubs doing this. There's huge chunks of population untouched by GAA clubs which is the major weakness of the population argument.
Fan of Netflix wrote: » Wicklow for me is an interesting one. Big population. Total underperformance in Football and Hurling. Bray Wanderers? They don't really back them much either. Unless it's a rugby place, I don't understand the story down there.
Bambi wrote: » You look at areas where the GAA is strong in Dublin they often tend to be places that had decent populations back in the day but are now declining. A lot of the newer parts of Dublin with booming populations have no inroads made by the GAA. Add to that Primary school teachers are no longer the resource the once were for coaching and running school teams and you start to see a problems develop
aodomhnaill wrote: » Very large protestant/COI/Presbyterian population in Wicklow compared to other counties in the Republic. Not that many GAA clubs in comparison to other counties. Louth has more clubs than Wicklow.
Happyilylost wrote: » Not only do ye have clubhouses but clubhouses with a bar!!! Very fancy altogether. A GAA trip some rural parts of Ireland would serve you well. They have a pitch. Hopefully with dressing rooms. No clubhouse. And certainly no bar! On a serious note do clubs around the country have clubhouses that have bars? I thought they would be few and far between.
Tombo2001 wrote: » Where are these places? I go all over Dublin with underage teams and I genuinely cant really pick out any part that doesnt have a strong GAA club at underage, apart from inner city.
Gael85 wrote: » Tallaght West, Ballyfermot, Walkinstown, Drimnagh, Crumlin, Kingswood and Kilnamanagh wouldn't be strong at underage.
Slattsy wrote: » And how many soccer clubs are there in Dublin 15? I'll wait. Laughable indeed :rolleyes:
Tombo2001 wrote: » Dont agree. Its the same in Naas or Navan or Carlow as it is in Blanch or Portmarnock - one or maybe two really big local clubs You have a plethora of small clubs where there is a plethora of small population centres.
Bridge93 wrote: » There's a pretty large empty space along the coastline of the southside from Clanna Gael in Ringsend to Cuala in Dalkey. The odd club scattered but Kilmacud Crokes in Stillorgan is the only go to for a huge section of the population and can be a bit if a trek for some.
Tombo2001 wrote: » I cant think of too many players that Meath or Kildare have 'lost' to Dublin. I'd possibly say where they do lose out is that a lot of people living in Kildare and Meath have long commutes. I am guessing that clubs suffer because of this as people have less time to give to mentoring and coaching, might be wrong completely. Would be interested to hear on this from people based in Dunboyne or the likes. I have a friend living there who said her son was they only boy in his class in the local gaa club. I was actually shocked, as in my kids class (within 5k radius of Whitehall Church!!) every single boy bar one is in the local gaa club. And the 'bar one' is in a rival club. And because I suppose I'd always have perceived Meath as a football county.
Tombo2001 wrote: » Dean Rock is from Garristown. Ironically - if you went back 30 years ago there was never an Ashbourne player on any of the Sean Boylan teams that won an all Ireland. Even though Ashbourne was a good big town then, as big as Trim or Athboy. Never one, not even on the subs bench. And thats across maybe 60 or 70 players that would have made the teams for those various finals. Never a Ratoath player either. Now Ashbourne and Ratoath both have absolutely fantastic GAA clubs, and both regularly contribute players to the senior county team. So I really dont see how this argument stacks up in any way - that somehow Meath is disadvantaged because Ashbourne players are Dubs at heart.....
blanch152 wrote: » I just pointed out that Castleknock do not have a bar. I have been in an awful lot of clubhouses around the country with far better facilities than Castleknock. A quick google would give you a few clubs with bars.https://www.dunboynegaa.ie/club-facilities/http://www.midletongaa.com/bar-and-functionshttps://www.douglasgaa.com/barhttp://www.naasgaa.ie/contentPage/32053/bar_facilities Apart from those from a google, I have been in club bars in Limerick, Mayo and Kerry.
Happyilylost wrote: » Do the majority of clubs in Dublin have bars?
