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The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

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Discussion of all matters relating to this contentious subject is welcome and the potential implications of same.This thread is solely for this purpose.

There appears to be a perception that the moderators are attempting to shut down discussion of this topic and direct same off to a low traffic stickied thread.Nothing could be further from the truth.Our sole motive was to confine discussion to a single thread and prevent cross thread posting which was adversely affecting the enjoyment of fellow posters.

Can we please keep posts civil and constructive in nature.

The Changes in the GAA-super thread is now for discussion of all other suggested reforms not relating to Dublin GAA.

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Right, a separate warning to both sides in this debate:
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RugbyLover123

Bonniedog wrote: »

You are fanboy of some English soccer team.

Go back to your couch. Your only interest in GAA is obviously hatred of Dublin.

I wasn’t aware that I’m not allowed to post on a forum if I’m not consistently posting on a topic. Is that in the charter? But thank you for going through my recent posts. Again, yet another personal attack from a Dublin fan instead of responding to the points I’ve previously raised. Proves my point.

MayoAreMagic

aodomhnaill wrote: »

So which is it, fans stopped going to games when we weren't winning anything or fans stopped going to games because we are winning so much. Both of these said ad nauseam on this thread.

Its both. Good competition brings in a crowd, not one team that is miles ahead of everyone or a team that get hockied by everyone. For the same reason tyson furys last fight was half empty - the result was never in doubt so nobody went.

ClanofLams

kyote00 wrote: »

But 500k seems excessive.... I wonder did they fly up to some matches ? Or did they play in New York ?

I mean this is an irrelevant point in this thread, but if 500k is excessive for Galway 320k must be excessive for Dublin? Sure they very rarely travel and have very little accommodation requirements presumably.

kyote00

Both the drawn game and yesterday were sold out at Croke park

The DUB-MAYO semi was not at capactity but I seem to remember a lot of mayo supporters leaving shortly after half time for some reason :cool:

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Its both. Good competition brings in a crowd, not one team that is miles ahead of everyone or a team that get hockied by everyone. For the same reason tyson furys last fight was half empty - the result was never in doubt so nobody went.

odyssey06

Happyilylost wrote: »

Have you got a link to this? Not saying your wrong but it's just interesting. Why would end of year reports have these expenses listed if they were getting the money back. Only reason I ask is both our minors (Galway) wanted to stay in Dublin the night of their All Ireland's and both were refused due to cost. If it was getting refunded its mean thing to do to a bunch of kids.

I copied this from the official GAA site earlier in thread.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110963831&postcount=384

I am afraid it didnt go into further details.

If a team has to travel further than 130kms they are entitled to an overnight.
But I presume only one.

It is possible they are listed as outgoings on balance sheet with a later reimbursement. But there should definitely be an incoming amount from HQ for matchday expenses.

Ps if you take my text in italics and put it in double quotes in google it should find the page on GAA site. I am on mobile or I would do so myself.

beggars_bush

odyssey06 wrote: »

Worth a re-mention.

All match expenses such as travel and accomodation are reimbursed by GAA for All Ireland series games.
No county should be out of pocket for them.

It was mentioned on a local paper somewhere that each training session for a senior county team in the midlands could be over €7000.

Physios
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rebel girl 15

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Another layer added to the dominance today. The ladies have now done 3 in a row and who will stop them over the next 5 years?

Nobody in Leinster - since Meath lost the final today, Dublin are the only senior team left in the Leinster ladies championship, can’t remember who got relegated this year but it was a Leinster team

Cork will have a new manager - could be interesting, two goals were the difference g Dublin and Cork didn’t play well. Galways first final in a while will stand to them, Mayo lost to Galway by a point and it’s their first year post politics

Hawkeye9212

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Nobody in Leinster - since Meath lost the final today, Dublin are the only senior team left in the Leinster ladies championship, can’t remember who got relegated this year but it was a Leinster team

Cork will have a new manager - could be interesting, two goals were the difference g Dublin and Cork didn’t play well. Galways first final in a while will stand to them, Mayo lost to Galway by a point and it’s their first year post politics

Westmeath. The ladies senior championship is a joke as well. Cork have won 11 of the last 15 senior titles. At least the LGFA has intermediate and junior competitions for teams who can't compete at senior level.

rebel girl 15

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

Westmeath. The ladies senior championship is a joke as well. Cork have won 11 of the last 15 senior titles. At least the LGFA has intermediate and junior competitions for teams who can't compete at senior level.

To be fair, there was 10 years of work with the underage before those titles - Cork were completely dominant in nearly every age group for a few years and that fed through. Tipp went up two years ago, down last year and now back up to senior. It will be interesting to see what Leinster do now

blanch152

odyssey06 wrote: »

Worth a re-mention.

All match expenses such as travel and accomodation are reimbursed by GAA for All Ireland series games.
No county should be out of pocket for them.

Yes, very true, and teams travelling to New York and London get fully refunded as well. One poster on here tried to claim that Mayo's expenses were so high because of those trips. Then again, there were claims that Aslan were responsible for Dublin's success.

Martina1991

kyote00 wrote:

Both the drawn game and yesterday were sold out at Croke park.
The DUB-MAYO semi was not at capactity but I seem to remember a lot of mayo supporters leaving shortly after half time for some reason

Then how come the attendance on the big screen that day said "Full House".

I was high up in the Hogan and honestly didnt see anyone leaving early.

Happyilylost

blanch152 wrote:

Yes, very true, and teams travelling to New York and London get fully refunded as well. One poster on here tried to claim that Mayo's expenses were so high because of those trips. Then again, there were claims that Aslan were responsible for Dublin's success.

I'm sure plenty is covered but I'd imagine there is still an expense to bringing a team out to New York whether it be hidden costs or management still doing right by players.

Ha Long Bay

Martina1991 wrote: »

Then how come the attendance on the big screen that day said "Full House".

I was high up in the Hogan and honestly didnt see anyone leaving early.

Full house for it.

kyote00

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Cork got 2.1m in 2018 in total funding.

TrueGael wrote: »

So Cork getting 1/16th of the funding despite having more clubs is fair?

You shouldn't have posted that, only exposing the ugly truth

doc_17

How much will Dublin players charge for their appearance at events over the next few weeks?

kyote00

I managed to get the Sam Maguire and two players to attend a retirement party in 2017 for the pricely sum of a ........

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doc_17 wrote: »

How much will Dublin players charge for their appearance at events over the next few weeks?

dunnerc

doc_17 wrote: »

How much will Dublin players charge for their appearance at events over the next few weeks?

Why ? whats it to you ?

Padre_Pio

TrueGael wrote: »

So Cork getting 1/16th of the funding despite having more clubs is fair?

You shouldn't have posted that, only exposing the ugly truth

Cork is a massive county, so quite possible they have lots of small clubs around the county that can barely field a team.

Dublin have some clubs with hundred of lads.

The high horse brigade

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Cork is a massive county, so quite possible they have lots of small clubs around the county that can barely field a team.

Dublin have some clubs with hundred of lads.

Yes small clubs that end up running fundraisers to improve facilities unlike the rich Dublin clubs

Fan of Netflix

What are the attendances like at Dublin club matches?

Padre_Pio

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Yes small clubs that end up running fundraisers to improve facilities unlike the rich Dublin clubs

Hardly the fault of the GAA.

200 small clubs means 200 pitches, means 200 lawnmowers etc. etc.

Economy of scale works at every level.

Strumms

Dublin players charge zero. Every year it’s been won they bring Sam to the local pubs, schools, clubs, hospitals, their own petrol, time and goodwill. Those guys don’t live in the clouds they are very much normal, ordinary, working people, studying, full time jobs or even both in some cases and they are still dedicated in their spare time to giving thanks and giving back to the supporters of them and the game in the county, to suggest otherwise is just ignorant of the facts...you can google it from previous wins and it’s plain to see they go everywhere with Sam.

kyote00

I didnt realise that they were only small clubs outside Dublin.

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Yes small clubs that end up running fundraisers to improve facilities unlike the rich Dublin clubs

The high horse brigade

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Hardly the fault of the GAA.

200 small clubs means 200 pitches, means 200 lawnmowers etc. etc.

Economy of scale works at every level.

Yeah that's just it, Dublin clubs are rolling in money while small clubs all over the country are struggling to survive. The game is in a great state

kyote00

In 2018, the GAA gave out approx €41m. €1.9m went to Dublin and the rest
to the other counties.....

They question you should be asking is how much did your county get and what was it used for ?

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Yeah that's just it, Dublin clubs are rolling in money while small clubs all over the country are struggling to survive. The game is in a great state

Bonniedog

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

What are the attendances like at Dublin club matches?

TrueGael

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Cork is a massive county, so quite possible they have lots of small clubs around the county that can barely field a team.

Dublin have some clubs with hundred of lads.

Since when have they had 1/16 th of the population?

Which doesn't even take into account that Gaelic Games are way more popular in Cork than the Pale

touts

The financial and population "doping" advantage that Dublin have is just too extreme. The definition of "Dublin" used by the GAA is out of date and now encompasses three counties "Dublin" "Fingal" and "Dunlaoire-Rathdown". What we effectively have is a hybrid team made up of the players and resources from three counties. Are they unbeatable? Not quite. Very nearly but not quite. Dublin have won seven of the last 9 and are only getting stronger. I'd say 9 out of the next 11 would be a poor return for the financial and population advantage they have. That would make it 16 out of 20 and would be a death knell for Gaelic Football I think this is an example of financial and population mismatch that will be studied for decades to come around the world.

However the GAA have a number of serious problems splitting this Hybrid team into three counties. Everything from where will they play their home games to what happens to clubs who straddle two of these counties. Fans will not have the same connection to the new teams and crowds will drop off making the package less attractive to sponsors etc. It's an organisational and PR nightmare.

And of course filling Croke Park would become almost impossible. Outside of the All Ireland finals the only way the GAA can get enough people into Croke Park to make it financially viable to open the gates is by holding double headers with 4 teams. Dublin allows that match to be a single header as they effectively make up three of the four counties required for a double header. If they split Dublin then there is a very real risk that the stadium will only be full twice a year. Then they will have to open it to more concerts and other sports but even then you are talking about events of a scale of a U2 concert or a European Final in soccer or Rugby to fill the place.

So what's the alternative. Allow other Hybrid teams from outside Dublin? Perhaps Cork and Kerry. Or Galway and Mayo. But once you start to combine we quickly end up with only 6 or 7 viable combinations and what's the point in a championship that small. Plus putting teams that are strong in Football mightn't give any benefit in Hurling. A Clare Tipperary Waterford Hybrid might kick ass in Hurling but might as well not bother turning up in the Hybrid Football championship. And geographically it's a nightmare.

So very quickly we are left with just one alternative for the administrators in Croke Park. Leave it as it is, serve out their terms and by the time the football championship dies because Dublin have won 16 out of 20 it will be someone else's problem. The future is very bleak for Gaelic Football.

Edgware

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

What are the attendances like at Dublin club matches?

Generally pathetic. No fee at the gate if played in public parks. Thats why championship games are played at O Toole Park or Parnell Park. I've seen Dublin Junior County finals where there are 150 people at. In Monaghan, Armagh there could be 2000.

In the Dublin clubs most people follow the team their kids play in and dont bother their hole with any other team.

Fan of Netflix

Edgware wrote: »

Generally pathetic. No fee at the gate if played in public parks. Thats why championship games are played at O Toole Park or Parnell Park. I've seen Dublin Junior County finals where there are 150 people at. In Monaghan, Armagh there could be 2000.

In the Dublin clubs most people follow the team their kids play in and dont bother their hole with any other team.

Sounds ****e tbh. Then you have the super clubs with about 7 adult mens teams. Ridiculous stuff.