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The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

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irishgeo

odyssey06 wrote: »

If AIG are paying sponsorship money comparable to the media coverage received that is not financial doping.
Its not financial doping if a team with a higher profile eg Man Utd, gets more money in sponsorships, merchandise etc than say Oldham.
Or if Kerry get more than Leitrim.

its financial doping when the gaa is paying you more than anyone else. But can you comment on this?

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-receive-e15-million-more-than-any-other-county-in-games-development-grants-over-the-last-decade-149534

Youll just ignore like every other dub and deflect and deflect and pretend it isnt happening when its clear.

Even the dub gaa president is trying to pretend it isnt happening.

odyssey06

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Posted in the game thread - best keep it here

You asked about where GAA doesnt have a foothold in Dublin. Well between the canals in Dublin there are hundreds of thousands of people and maybe 1 GAA club and hardly any GAA pitches. And no where to even put one if you could find the mega money for it.

Dublin also the home of the two other most popular ball games.

Many of the GAA fans in Dublin if they go to Croker go to cheer their own counties not the Dubs. Though maybe if their kids grow up with a love of GAA and play for Dublin it helps in long run.

Dublin has advantages and also unique challenges.

irishgeo

LiamoSail wrote: »

Oh I thought Croke Park was Dublin’s home ground? Or is it only that when again, it’s a stick to beat Dublin with?

So GAA is like soccer or rugby or any other sport in that the side with the greatest fan base, that generate the greatest revenue end up with the greatest funding. It’s literally the case in every sport.

mayo have just as many fans as dublin but dont get the same funding can you explain that.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-receive-e15-million-more-than-any-other-county-in-games-development-grants-over-the-last-decade-149534

odyssey06

irishgeo wrote: »

its financial doping when the gaa is paying you more than anyone else. But can you comment on this?
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-receive-e15-million-more-than-any-other-county-in-games-development-grants-over-the-last-decade-149534
Youll just ignore like every other dub and deflect and deflect and pretend it isnt happening when its clear.
Even the dub gaa president is trying to pretend it isnt happening.

Thats not financial doping anymore than it would be if the German FA puts money into grass roots game in East Germany or English FA into London.

Dr. Bre

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Dublin fans are the new flat earthers

You thinking dubs victories are a conspiracy is the equivalent of being a flat earther

irishgeo

odyssey06 wrote: »

Thats not financial doping anymore than it would be if the German FA puts money into grass roots game in East Germany or English FA into London.

more deflection.

Usually its given to the weaker clubs or areas not the ones already who have all the advantages.

SeanJ09

Road-Hog wrote: »

Man U and mr Ferguson dominated their ****e sport for circa 20 years......did rival supporters call for disbandonmnent of the ‘saw-ker’ in favor of rugby or cricket don’t think so......

Man Utd aren't an amateur sports team financially doped to the gills.

beggars_bush

Fair play to the Dubs and their five in a row

Only took 18 million from the rest of the GAA counties to get it over the line.

irishguitarlad

odyssey06 wrote: »

Thats not financial doping anymore than it would be if the German FA puts money into grass roots game in East Germany or English FA into London.

Then why not redistribute It fairly and put it into other counties as well?

odyssey06

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Yes but gaa is supposed to be an amateur sport and so funds and sponsorship deals should be distributed fairly.

Thats not the basis for amateur sport anymore than teams share all gate receipts or fundraising with all other counties regardless.
All competion based tv rights and spinsorship are shared equally.

irishgeo

Its says a lot when the dublin fans wont acknowledge this article but keep trying to come out with excuses.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-receive-e15-million-more-than-any-other-county-in-games-development-grants-over-the-last-decade-149534

15 million more than any other county over 10 years

odyssey06

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Then why not redistribute It fairly and put it into other counties as well?

You will have to ask the GAA that. Dublin dont decide where the funds are distributed.

SharpshooterTom

Do you think its inevitable they'll eventually surpass Kerry's all time record of 37 within a couple of decades?

irishguitarlad

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Do you think its inevitable they'll eventually surpass Kerry's all time record of 37 within a couple of decades?

Decades? They'll do It much earlier than that, but no one will care as the sport will be dead.

odyssey06

irishgeo wrote: »

more deflection.
Usually its given to the weaker clubs or areas not the ones already who have all the advantages.

That wasnt your original point. And my refutation - not deflection - still stands. It isnt financial doping.

irishgeo

odyssey06 wrote: »

That wasnt your original point. And my refutation - not deflection - still stands. It isnt financial doping.

you still refuse to comment on the joe.ie article?

odyssey06

irishgeo wrote: »

you still refuse to comment on the joe.ie article?

Its not financial doping. People who say it is dont know what financial doping means.
Its unbalanced but thats the GAA's call.

irishgeo

odyssey06 wrote: »

Its not financial doping. People who say it is dont know what financial doping means.
Its unbalanced but thats the GAA's call.

just to clarify what do you think financial doping is?

STB.

Like a pack of oul ones with your whinging.

Embarrassed for you.

Up the Dubs.

Padre_Pio

irishgeo wrote: »

Its says a lot when the dublin fans wont acknowledge this article but keep trying to come out with excuses.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-receive-e15-million-more-than-any-other-county-in-games-development-grants-over-the-last-decade-149534

15 million more than any other county over 10 years

Why don't ye do something instead of giving out?

Go to the GAA Congress and try get things changed. Only Donegal voted to change rule where Dublin's games are at home.

odyssey06

irishgeo wrote: »

just to clarify what do you think financial doping is?

It is where a team receives funding external to the sport that is not tied to population, actual marketing potential etc.

Dublin getting more sponsorship money as they are the biggest market - not financial doping.
Grass roots funding going to Dublin through the GAA or sports development - not financial doping.
Dublin playing in Croke Park paying market rent and thereby paying off the debt on it - not financial doping.

If some Leitrim guy who made billions pays Leitrim more for sponsorship than AIG pay Dublin, thats financial doping.

RoyalCelt

rm75 wrote: »

Do you think it likely that they will dominate to the extent of winning 11 AI's in 12 years ?!!!!

Would you be "fearful" for the womans game were that to occur !!

I think the Dublin ladies will dominate even more then the Dublin men. Hopefully the LFGA have the balls the GAA don't and do something radical.

Paulzx wrote: »

Exactly. No one gave a sh*^te when the Cork ladies absolutely ruled ladies football for a decade. Where were the doomsday merchants then? Oh....of course...it wasn't the Dubs so it wasn't an issue

Nobody gave a ****e is right. I only started watching the ladies when the Dubs made it competitive again. If Dublin become the new cork I'll quickly go back to not giving a ****e.

Dublin ladies have the potential to keep it going forever. Unlike cork there isn't a much bigger sleeping giant then Dublin waiting to explode.

Trey13

From someone who has played Dublin club football at Division 1 for my whole life, I can see where the people from outside of Dublin are coming from in their opinion towards the inequality the inter county team have.

However, I think this particular team winning 5 in a row has little to do with finances. I grew up playing against the likes of Kilkenny, Mannion, McCaffrey, Scully, Costello etc. The elite lads aged 24-26 are a once in a lifetime generation crop of players. There are lads like Colm McHugh, Conor Mullaly, Lowndes, Ross McGowan who would start for most inter county sides and they can’t even get near the panel. (Lowndes aside). Added to that you have the likes of Cluxton, Rock, McCarthy who are among the games greats.

There aren’t many lads from 17-21 coming through though at the level of some players not even in the current panel in my opinon so the dominance will eventually end.

Dublin club football is in a strong place due to population and a huge influx of high level country players playing club football in Dublin. This is increasing the standard of club football in Dublin to a level it has never been at.

The money certainly helps in terms of top class facilities where the lads train and access to gear, recovery and nutrition but that’s something the top intercounty teams also have.

It’s worth noting that most of the Dublin squad were on holiday until the middle of January. They’ve a bigger squad than most counties but they give their players rest. I get the feeling that other intercounty sides could take a leaf out of Dublin’s book in that respect. Mayo looked wrecked by the end of the league campaign.

This Dublin team is a once in a generation team and that is down to this particular crop of players and manager.

irishgeo

Trey13 wrote: »

From someone who has played Dublin club football at Division 1 for my whole life, I can see where the people from outside of Dublin are coming from in their opinion towards the inequality the inter county team have.

However, I think this particular team winning 5 in a row has little to do with finances. I grew up playing against the likes of Kilkenny, Mannion, McCaffrey, Scully, Costello etc. The elite lads aged 24-26 are a once in a lifetime generation crop of players. There are lads like Colm McHugh, Conor Mullaly, Lowndes, Ross McGowan who would start for most inter county sides and they can’t even get near the panel. (Lowndes aside). Added to that you have the likes of Cluxton, Rock, McCarthy who are among the games greats.

There aren’t many lads from 17-21 coming through though at the level of some players not even in the current panel in my opinon so the dominance will eventually end.

Dublin club football is in a strong place due to population and a huge influx of high level country players playing club football in Dublin. This is increasing the standard of club football in Dublin to a level it has never been at.

The money certainly helps in terms of top class facilities where the lads train and access to gear, recovery and nutrition but that’s something the top intercounty teams also have.

It’s worth noting that most of the Dublin squad were on holiday until the middle of January. They’ve a bigger squad than most counties but they give their players rest. I get the feeling that other intercounty sides could take a leaf out of Dublin’s book in that respect. Mayo looked wrecked by the end of the league campaign.

This Dublin team is a once in a generation team and that is down to this particular crop of players and manager.

not one mention of the extra 15 million that perhaps was used to coach these players when they were younger to turn then into great players.

RoyalCelt

Trey13 wrote: »

From someone who has played Dublin club football at Division 1 for my whole life, I can see where the people from outside of Dublin are coming from in their opinion towards the inequality the inter county team have.

However, I think this particular team winning 5 in a row has little to do with finances. I grew up playing against the likes of Kilkenny, Mannion, McCaffrey, Scully, Costello etc. The elite lads aged 24-26 are a once in a lifetime generation crop of players. There are lads like Colm McHugh, Conor Mullaly, Lowndes, Ross McGowan who would start for most inter county sides and they can’t even get near the panel. (Lowndes aside). Added to that you have the likes of Cluxton, Rock, McCarthy who are among the games greats.

There aren’t many lads from 17-21 coming through though at the level of some players not even in the current panel in my opinon so the dominance will eventually end.

Dublin club football is in a strong place due to population and a huge influx of high level country players playing club football in Dublin. This is increasing the standard of club football in Dublin to a level it has never been at.

The money certainly helps in terms of top class facilities where the lads train and access to gear, recovery and nutrition but that’s something the top intercounty teams also have.

It’s worth noting that most of the Dublin squad were on holiday until the middle of January. They’ve a bigger squad than most counties but they give their players rest. I get the feeling that other intercounty sides could take a leaf out of Dublin’s book in that respect. Mayo looked wrecked by the end of the league campaign.

This Dublin team is a once in a generation team and that is down to this particular crop of players and manager.

Dublin have now won 7 in 9 years. I'll bet the house on them winning next year and would be shocked if they don't win the next 3 in a row. They'll get another golden generation of elite players before long too. Even this year u20 finalists and they've Archer coming through. There's no hope long term for the rest.

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Do you think its inevitable they'll eventually surpass Kerry's all time record of 37 within a couple of decades?

The only question is how long. They'll do it no doubt.

aodomhnaill

irishgeo wrote: »

Its says a lot when the dublin fans wont acknowledge this article but keep trying to come out with excuses.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-receive-e15-million-more-than-any-other-county-in-games-development-grants-over-the-last-decade-149534

15 million more than any other county over 10 years

Wonderful day for all of us in this amazing capital, particularly because we have to fund the rest of the country so heavily

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ClanofLams

Trey13 wrote: »

From someone who has played Dublin club football at Division 1 for my whole life, I can see where the people from outside of Dublin are coming from in their opinion towards the inequality the inter county team have.

However, I think this particular team winning 5 in a row has little to do with finances. I grew up playing against the likes of Kilkenny, Mannion, McCaffrey, Scully, Costello etc. The elite lads aged 24-26 are a once in a lifetime generation crop of players. There are lads like Colm McHugh, Conor Mullaly, Lowndes, Ross McGowan who would start for most inter county sides and they can’t even get near the panel. (Lowndes aside). Added to that you have the likes of Cluxton, Rock, McCarthy who are among the games greats.

There aren’t many lads from 17-21 coming through though at the level of some players not even in the current panel in my opinon so the dominance will eventually end.

Dublin club football is in a strong place due to population and a huge influx of high level country players playing club football in Dublin. This is increasing the standard of club football in Dublin to a level it has never been at.

The money certainly helps in terms of top class facilities where the lads train and access to gear, recovery and nutrition but that’s something the top intercounty teams also have.

This Dublin team is a once in a generation team and that is down to this particular crop of players and manager.

There is a good bit in the book Outliers (I think) that explains in a certain sport how the vast majority of the top athletes are born in the last three months of the year, think it was an American sport but can’t recall that. Basically those born in the last three months of the year are bigger and stronger than the kids they are playing alongside so they make the first representative teams at under ten or whatever., they get specialised coaching there so the gap between them and the kids they had previously played with grows further and this continues on as they get more and more specialised coaching.

This is what has happened in GAA. You pump in specialised coaching at disparate levels in favour of a county with forty percent of the population and the outcome is almost inevitable unless it’s being seriously mismanaged.

Over half the starters today didn’t start in ‘15. It’s not a once in a generation team, it is a production line churning out talent with no reason to believe it will falter in the future.

Trey13

irishgeo wrote: »

not one mention of the extra 15 million that perhaps was used to coach these players when they were younger to turn then into great players.

To be honest I don’t think the underage coaches are all that good. There are a handful of top quality coaches, of whom Gavin was the best and he brought through a lot of the lads.
In terms of top quality coaches in Dublin, I have experienced and see Leinster Rugby provide far better coaching (granted it is a professional set up)

Hawkeye9212

aodomhnaill wrote: »

Wonderful day for all of us in this amazing capital, particularly because we have to fund the rest of the country so heavily

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You mean all of us lazy layabouts.

RugbyLover123

Trey13 wrote: »

The money certainly helps in terms of top class facilities where the lads train and access to gear, recovery and nutrition but that’s something the top intercounty teams also have.

Not one GAA county has any of that on the level of Dublin. And even if they do they have to travel to get it. Chris Barrett said 8/9 Mayo players travel twice a week to and from Mayo for training by bus from Lucan. Getting back at like 1am. Hardly top class recovery.

And I agree with the poster above. The funding that’s been put in place has produced coaching that these players that are coming into their peak have benefited greatly from. And I turn turning them into greats.