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The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

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irishgeo

falling attendances will be even worse next year. be even worse in leinster when the fair weather fans disappear now after the 5.

dublin the man city of the gaa, only cost about 15 million to buy the 5 in a fow but the gaa have what they wanted.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-receive-e15-million-more-than-any-other-county-in-games-development-grants-over-the-last-decade-149534

Padre_Pio

irishgeo wrote: »

falling attendances will be even worse next year. be even worse in leinster when the fair weather fans disappear now after the 5.

dublin the man city of the gaa, only cost about 15 million to buy the 5 in a fow but the gaa have what they wanted.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-receive-e15-million-more-than-any-other-county-in-games-development-grants-over-the-last-decade-149534

Yet for all that money they beat Kerry by 3 points in 2015, Mayo by a single point in 2016 and 2017(including a replay), Tyrone by a goal and 3 last year, and Kerry by a goal and 3 points this year(including a replay)

Hardly steamrolling the competition by any means.

If you're going to blame anyone, why don't you blame the Kerry players for being woefully inaccurate today.

irishgeo

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Yet for all that money they beat Kerry by 3 points in 2015, Mayo by a single point in 2016 and 2017(including a replay), Tyrone by a goal and 3 last year, and Kerry by a goal and 3 points this year(including a replay)

Hardly steamrolling the competition by any means.

They streamroll the leinster championship every year.

Padre_Pio

irishgeo wrote: »

They streamroll the leinster championship every year.

It's been nearly 20 years since another Leinster team made it to the all Ireland final.

Is it any surprise that Dublin are beating the likes of Westmeath and Laois?

irishgeo

Padre_Pio wrote: »

It's been nearly 20 years since another Leinster team made it to the all Ireland final.

Is it any surprise that Dublin are beating the likes of Westmeath and Laois?

No but if they had 15 million thrown at them things might be different.

odyssey06

irishgeo wrote: »

They streamroll the leinster championship every year.

So would Kerry.

Padre_Pio

irishgeo wrote: »

No but if they had 15 million thrown at them things might be different.

Ah yeh, sure throw 15 million at Louth over the next 10 years and we'll see how it goes.

odyssey06 wrote: »

So would Kerry.

So would Mayo and Tyrone.

cj maxx

Any county with about 1/3 of the population of this entire island, the infrastructure , the funding they receive should be winning the AI every year.
We'll be lucky if dublin don't do 20 in a row.

Padre_Pio

cjmc wrote: »

Any county with about 1/3 of the population of this entire island, the infrastructure , the funding they receive should be winning the AI every year.
We'll be lucky if dublin don't do 20 in a row.

All those things have been true for decades. How come Dublin only started now?
And why are they only winning by tiny margins? It would have taken a slight breeze in a different direction for Dublin to lose 2 weeks ago, and the same against Mayo.

irishgeo

Padre_Pio wrote: »

All those things have been true for decades. How come Dublin only started now?
And why are they only winning by tiny margins? It would have taken a slight breeze in a different direction for Dublin to lose 2 weeks ago, and the same against Mayo.

15 million in 10 years its only paying off now. The GAA panicked when dublin werent winning back in 90s . They threw the kitchen sink at the problem because they were afraid soccer and rugby would take the players/fans and limelight away from GAA in the city.. Especially with rugby going pro.

Now its untameable beast and they have created a funding monster that they cant control and its going to ruin the GAA because noone wants to see the same team win it every year. Kids in counties outside dublin must be wondering why bother playing for kildare etc. The dedication needed these days is a lot only to get spanked by Dublin in the championship.

Falling attendances is already a big problem. hiking ticket prices only increases the problem.

TV rights deals will suffer when the same team wins it loads of times.

SeanJ09

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Yet for all that money they beat Kerry by 3 points in 2015, Mayo by a single point in 2016 and 2017(including a replay), Tyrone by a goal and 3 last year, and Kerry by a goal and 3 points this year(including a replay)

Hardly steamrolling the competition by any means.

If you're going to blame anyone, why don't you blame the Kerry players for being woefully inaccurate today.

You are just selectively picking games there pal. Look at what Dublin did to the Connacht Champions this year. Look how easy they swatted Mayo away in the semi. Look at what they did to Tyrone in the 2017 semi. I could go on. The football championship as a competition is dead thanks to the GAA.

Padre_Pio

SeanJ09 wrote: »

You are just selectively picking games there pal. Look at what Dublin did to the Connacht Champions this year. Look how easy they swatted Mayo away in the semi. Look at what they did to Tyrone in the 2017 semi. I could go on. The football championship as a competition is dead thanks to the GAA.

I'm selectively picking every final match.

SeanJ09

Padre_Pio wrote: »

I'm selectively picking every final match.

But they are quite literally steamrolling the competition.

Dr. Bre

How did Man City do today? beaten . No matter what advantages you have you still have to turn up and perform . That’s what makes this dubs team special

[Deleted User]

Hopefully youngsters in other counties will bin off football and stick to hurling, let Dublin and the GAA have their Sam McGuire.

irishguitarlad

Dr. Bre wrote: »

How did Man City do today? beaten . No matter what advantages you have you still have to turn up and perform . That’s what makes this dubs team special

Soccers a different sport though and a shock can always happen as it's much more difficult to score.

The high horse brigade

There's players on that Dublin team like Fenton have never lost a championship game. The GAA have ruined the competition when there's a monster nobody can beat

SeanJ09

Dr. Bre wrote: »

How did Man City do today? beaten . No matter what advantages you have you still have to turn up and perform . That’s what makes this dubs team special

The GAA would never let Dublin play in Norwich.

JeffKenna

Padre_Pio wrote: »

SeanJ09 wrote: »

You are just selectively picking games there pal. Look at what Dublin did to the Connacht Champions this year. Look how easy they swatted Mayo away in the semi. Look at what they did to Tyrone in the 2017 semi. I could go on. The football championship as a competition is dead thanks to the GAA.

Why don't you selectively pick every
I'm selectively picking every final match.

Why don't you selectively pick every championship match in the last five years? See how it looks then.

odyssey06

SeanJ09 wrote: »

But they are quite literally steamrolling the competition.

Quite literally they are not.

Even by analogy they are not. Except in Leinster but thats a reflection on the opposition as much as Dublin.

irishgeo

Padre_Pio wrote: »

I'm selectively picking every final match.

The only match there is a challenge. Sure Dublin still have to come out and earn it but its easy keep your fitness for 70 mins when every other game is a walk in the park.

Padre_Pio

SeanJ09 wrote: »

But they are quite literally steamrolling the competition.

You're picking matches where they won decisively. I'm picking matches where they won by the skin of their teeth.

Granted they're still winning, but it's not consistent. They're they most talented team with the most money and the greatest population and all the other blah blah advantages people point out.
They're still taken to task regularly.

Look at the Connaught championship. It's been Roscommon and Galway in the final every year for the last 4.

Munster, it's Kerry and Cork for 6 of the last 7 years. Kerry won them all.

Donegal has been Ulster senior championship final for 8 of the last 9 years.

The same counties dominating their respective championship is nothing new.

If people are getting bored of Dublin winning, then how are they not bored of the same counties getting to provincial finals every year for the last decade?

LiamoSail

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hopefully youngsters in other counties will bin off football and stick to hurling, let Dublin and the GAA have their Sam McGuire.

I wonder were people this bitter back when Kerry were doing 4 in a row, or is it a construct of today’s culture that the success of one county can give rise to a level of whining so bitter, that they wish for the destruction of the game as a whole

Is there a precedent for this, in any team sport ever? Is there a single example anywhere of opposing fans being so bitter at the victory of a rival that they’d wish for the demise of the sport as a whole?

It’s absolutely bizarre.

irishguitarlad

odyssey06 wrote: »

Quite literally they are not.

Even by analogy they are not. Except in Leinster but thats a reflection on the opposition as much as Dublin.

But even if they're not steam rolling teams at times, they are still winning. That's what all that money gets you, a fantastic backroom team of physical trainers, nutritionists, physios and sports psychologists that do all the work beforehand in preparation to get those marginal gains that help you over the line. It all adds up.

Fann Linn

The history will show Dublin won 5 in a row.

[Deleted User]

Its funny in a sense that while they're steam rolling teams outside of the AI finals they just seem to get the luck on the big days... could have lost nearly all of them.

Have to say it was disgusting to see the face on Horan as Cluxton lifted the cup, you wont get a more biased GAA president.
Impartial my backside and its disgusting he was voted into the role.

Road-Hog

LiamoSail wrote: »

I wonder were people this bitter back when Kerry were doing 4 in a row, or is it a construct of today’s culture that the success of one county can give rise to a level of whining so bitter, that they wish for the destruction of the game as a whole

Is there a precedent for this, in any team sport ever? Is there a single example anywhere of opposing fans being so bitter at the victory of a rival that they’d wish for the demise of the sport as a whole?

It’s absolutely bizarre.

Man U and mr Ferguson dominated their ****e sport for circa 20 years......did rival supporters call for disbandonmnent of the ‘saw-ker’ in favor of rugby or cricket don’t think so......

Fann Linn

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Its funny in a sense that while they're steam rolling teams outside of the AI finals they just seem to get the luck on the big days... could have lost nearly all of them.

Have to say it was disgusting to see the face on Horan as Cluxton lifted the cup, you wont get a more biased GAA president.
Impartial my backside and its disgusting he was voted into the role.

Did Dublin get a free in 78 minutes of football?

odyssey06

irishguitarlad wrote: »

But even if they're not steam rolling teams at times, they are still winning. That's what all that money gets you, a fantastic backroom team of physical trainers, nutritionists, physios and sports psychologists that do all the work beforehand in preparation to get those marginal gains that help you over the line. It all adds up.

Do all the work?
There is no point here. Dublin still have to go out and kick the scores on the pitch 15v15.

Kerry have a 7 million centre of excellence. They arent a bunch of farmers training twice a week on the beach who think tactics are sth to put into a noticeboard.

Padre_Pio

irishguitarlad wrote: »

But even if they're not steam rolling teams at times, they are still winning. That's what all that money gets you, a fantastic backroom team of physical trainers, nutritionists, physios and sports psychologists that do all the work beforehand in preparation to get those marginal gains that help you over the line. It all adds up.

The only thing that matters is turning up on the day and winning.

Dublin do that.

Kerry had more chances to score in this final. They didn't score, and they lost.
They were a man up 2 weeks ago and still couldn't get the ball over the bar.

Saying that's Dublin's fault is pure deflection.