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M11/N11 - M50 (J4) to Coyne's Cross (J14) [options published]

marno21

A desperately needed scheme in planning according to Michael Nolan of the TII at a recent Engineers Ireland conference.

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josip wrote: »

I wonder what percentage of rush hour traffic originates from Arklow or further south and also what percentage is destined for Sandyford/Cherrywood?
Those commuters are unlikely to move to public transport unless the rail service improves and or the Luas line is extended to link in with the Dart line.

Cherrywood is doable enough by bus, but Sandyford is very difficult to get to from Counties Wicklow and Wexford (minus Bray) in general though. You either have to swap to a fairly infrequent bus somewhere like UCD or walk to the luas line at Brides Glen. If you're lucky with the busdriver you might be able to get off at Stillorgan and walk.

josip

I wonder what percentage of rush hour traffic originates from Arklow or further south and also what percentage is destined for Sandyford/Cherrywood?
Those commuters are unlikely to move to public transport unless the rail service improves and or the Luas line is extended to link in with the Dart line.

Macy0161

sideswipe wrote: »

I can agree to a point but the N11 has been a bigger problem than most because of the restrictions in space going through Glen of the Downs and Kilmac. If they had of been able to widen the road to motorway of proper duel carriageway specifications things would certainly not be as bad as they are now.

Well it went from single carriageway to dual carriage way, and that didn't fix it long term. I'm old enough to remember that this was the solution, then it was the M50 link...

The fix is (enforced) bus lanes, park and rides and a massive increase in bus capacity.

loyatemu

sideswipe wrote: »

I can agree to a point but the N11 has been a bigger problem than most because of the restrictions in space going through Glen of the Downs and Kilmac. If they had of been able to widen the road to motorway of proper duel carriageway specifications things would certainly not be as bad as they are now.

how would making it a motorway make any difference - it's already grade-separated. There are few local accesses that could be closed off but they're not the problem, it's over-capacity and there's no further space to widen it (not that that widening would solve the problem in the long term).

sideswipe

Macy0161 wrote: »

Just confirming what is already long established - building more roads just means more traffic!

Pretty much all the commuter estates in towns and villages Greystones to Gorey have been sold on (summer/ off peak) vehicle commuting times, with no expansion of Public Transport options - something that is again lacking on the proposed N11 upgrades.

I can agree to a point but the N11 has been a bigger problem than most because of the restrictions in space going through Glen of the Downs and Kilmac. If they had of been able to widen the road to motorway of proper duel carriageway specifications things would certainly not be as bad as they are now.

loyatemu

Macy0161 wrote: »

Just confirming what is already long established - building more roads just means more traffic!

Pretty much all the commuter estates in towns and villages Greystones to Gorey have been sold on (summer/ off peak) vehicle commuting times, with no expansion of Public Transport options - something that is again lacking on the proposed N11 upgrades.

traffic mayhem in Greystones this morning because people are diverting off the N11 when there's a crash (which is pretty much every day).

They held a consultation on the N11 upgrade last year, a number of local politicians made the point that something has to be done to prioritise public transport, just adding lanes will only buy us a couple of years before we're back to where we are now.

There's a 1400 space park and ride in Greystones - it's full every day which shows there's an appetite for reliable public transport, but people aren't going to get on a bus if they're going to end up sitting in traffic on the N11. Might as well be in your car then.

Macy0161

prunudo wrote: »

Was out for a walk the other day and passed the opening plague, was surprised to see the date of official opening, May 2004, seems a lot longer than that. 12-15 years later and the road was beyond its safe capacity in the mornings.

Just confirming what is already long established - building more roads just means more traffic!

Pretty much all the commuter estates in towns and villages Greystones to Gorey have been sold on (summer/ off peak) vehicle commuting times, with no expansion of Public Transport options - something that is again lacking on the proposed N11 upgrades.

loyatemu

dervebehe wrote: »

Shouldn't the M11 actually start at Junction 14 on the M50? That was the original intention and IMO would make more sense, they just need to put a proper interchange there.

that's the reason the M11 numbering starts with Junction 5. The M50 merge would be J4 (though it's not signposted anywhere, only as M50 J17) and future J1 - J3 are the existing M50 J14-J16.

Eastern Bypass looks as far away as ever at the moment. With the increasing emphasis on climate action it's unlikely a future govt would commit the necessary billions to an urban motorway project, leaving aside more local environmental concerns over the route.

prunudo

Was out for a walk the other day and passed the opening plague, was surprised to see the date of official opening, May 2004, seems a lot longer than that. 12-15 years later and the road was beyond its safe capacity in the mornings.

Chris_5339762

I'd imagine that would be how it ends up if the M50 Eastern Bypass is ever built.

dervebehe

Shouldn't the M11 actually start at Junction 14 on the M50? That was the original intention and IMO would make more sense, they just need to put a proper interchange there.

marno21

Tenders being assessed for the N11 Kilmacanogue Parallel Service Road (Phase 1 of the overall major scheme)

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/braypeople/news/tenders-for-works-on-n11-at-kilmacanogue-being-assessed-38485931.html

spacetweek

This is quickly becoming one of the most urgent road schemes in the country.

prunudo

marno21 wrote: »

This was planned for July. Hopefully sooner rather than later

Hope so, maybe they'll take a leaf out of the N5 project.

marno21

prunudo wrote: »

Have to say, traffic is fantastic at the moment. Any people new to the area who have moved into their new homes over the summer months will get a shock come early September.
Latest I heard is that there'll be another public consultation later in the year once the constraints study has been completed.

This was planned for July. Hopefully sooner rather than later

prunudo

Have to say, traffic is fantastic at the moment. Any people new to the area who have moved into their new homes over the summer months will get a shock come early September.
Latest I heard is that there'll be another public consultation later in the year once the constraints study has been completed.

sideswipe

Anybody know how plans are coming along with this? You can drive on motorway across the country from every interchange on the M50 now except the M11/N11. A couple of miles from the Dublin/wicklow border and you have to pass through a village at 60kph. Lots of talk about finishing out the route from Belfast to Rosslare with no mention of Kilmac issue. Seems like there has been continuous studies but no real action. Meanwhile housebuilding has ramped up massively south of kilmac and traffic can travel on great roads from south Wexford only to end up in a car park from the Glen of the Downs, really hoping to see some movement on this section soon!!

prunudo

Received a letter from Arup the other day, addressed personally but I'd imagine a generic letter. Basically just acknowledging the feedback I had sent in and for attending the consultation meeting in the Glenview last December.
Also mentions that the constraints study is continuing and there will be another public consultation later in the year to display the results of the study.

prunudo

I noticed over the last few weeks a lot of traffic counters both on the main line and also on various slip roads, usually in one location for a few days and then moved on to somewhere else.
Great to see the back ground work being done but you'd have to wonder about the logic of doing traffic surveys just as the volume decreases for the summer months. There's been a noticeable difference in the more morning commute times since the secondary schools and colleges finished up.

marno21

spacetweek wrote: »

It says the lane is from Jct 7 (Bray South) to Jct 8 (Kilmac). The distance between them acc to Gmaps is 1.7km so the new service road must be the whole way between the two junctions. This is great news and more than we would have expected.

Indeed. A starter before the main course in a few years time.

spacetweek

marno21 wrote: »

Tender out. It's a bigger job than I thought, 1.7km.

It says the lane is from Jct 7 (Bray South) to Jct 8 (Kilmac). The distance between them acc to Gmaps is 1.7km so the new service road must be the whole way between the two junctions. This is great news and more than we would have expected.

marno21

jvan wrote: »

Tenders for the remedial work at the Kilmacanogue southbound garage to be published in the next few days. Article also mentions that letters have been sent to over 3000 landowners regarding the surveying of jn4-14.
http://wicklownews.net/2019/04/after-a-number-of-delays-tender-documents-for-the-kilmacanogue-road-safety-scheme-to-be-published/

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=147571&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

Tender out. It's a bigger job than I thought, 1.7km.

marno21

Constraints study now underway

N11/M11 wrote:

N11/M11 Junction 4 to Junction 14 Improvement Scheme – Constraints Study

Wicklow County Council, in conjunction with Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council, is progressing the development of the N11/M11 Junction 4 to Junction 14 Improvement Scheme. As part of the project, it is necessary to carry out a comprehensive constraints study on the area from Ashford, Co Wicklow up to Leopardstown within the County of Dublin. The constraints study will comprise both desktop and field surveys and will cover both publicly and privately owned lands within the study area.

Why are surveys required?

A comprehensive constraints study is required for the project. The constraints study will address all constraints including human, archaeology and cultural heritage, agronomy, landscape and visual, hydrology, hydrogeology, biodiversity, geology, material assets, planning policy, noise, air and climate. These constraints will be documented and mapped and will be used by the project team to inform the development of feasible transportation options.

Who will carry out the surveys?

Only Arup’s authorised persons from appointed consultancy companies, or sub-consultants working on their behalf, will carry out surveys commencing. Each authorised person will have valid ID and authorising papers.

What type of surveys will take place?

The surveys are non-intrusive and superficial in nature.

When will surveys take place?

Surveys have commenced in May 2019 and will be on-going for a number of months. Surveys will typically take place during the day, but bat surveys are undertaken late at night to facilitate monitoring and tracking of their movements.

If I have any queries who can I contact?

Should you have any queries or comments on the nature of the surveys being undertaken, please do not hesitate to contact us using the details provided on the ‘Contact Us’ page.

https://n11m11.ie/2019/05/21/constraints-study/

prunudo

Tenders for the remedial work at the Kilmacanogue southbound garage to be published in the next few days. Article also mentions that letters have been sent to over 3000 landowners regarding the surveying of jn4-14.
http://wicklownews.net/2019/04/after-a-number-of-delays-tender-documents-for-the-kilmacanogue-road-safety-scheme-to-be-published/

Alun

jvan wrote: »

Letters have been received stating that Arup will be carrying out surveying work along the route from mid April. They seem to be a generic letter basically just informing landowners there could be people on their property doing surveying work in relation to the upgrade works.

I got one of these today which had me a bit worried especially as I live quite some distance away (350m) from the N11. If anyone is doing surveying works in my back garden they're probably lost!!

They did say though that they'd also be doing work regarding nature surveys, including bats (which we do see occasionally) and also measuring noise and pollution levels etc. so maybe that's why I received it?

prunudo

Letters have been received stating that Arup will be carrying out surveying work along the route from mid April. They seem to be a generic letter basically just informing landowners there could be people on their property doing surveying work in relation to the upgrade works.

Thud

Thud wrote: »

I did see some guy drive up the hard shoulder and cut across the gravelly bit onto the M11 just before the finger barriers where the M50/M11 join the other day....not an unmarked Garda car unless they drive a convertible WX reg Audi A4

I saw this bandit do the exact same thing yesterday, flew up the hard shoulder...I didn't get the reg...will next time.

Chris_5339762

Ironically its probably the least destructive way of getting a motorway up a valley, as greenery can grow back underneath the motorway. But yeah, that'll never happen here, and likely not again in Europe on that scale. I do want to drive it though.

kneemos

Reuben1210 wrote: »

Can you imagine the NIMBYpocalypse that would be unleashed if something like that was proposed??

They'd be right.

Reuben1210

josip wrote: »

Kilmacanogue is trivial by comparison with what the Italians managed on the A22 up to the Brenner pass.
There wasn't enough room in the gorge to fit a motorway beside the existing road so they stuck it on stilts.

https://goo.gl/maps/jGrAczhV3xk

Over 80km of it

https://goo.gl/maps/86WPcViytzs

Can you imagine the NIMBYpocalypse that would be unleashed if something like that was proposed??