FrancieBrady wrote: » And what then...curious as to how it works if he is found to have lied to herself.
Inquitus wrote: » Nearly 100,000 posts on this Brexit thread and we are still none the wiser, quite breathtaking, the incomptence, the cluelessness, the number of PM's, the now minority government.
Spanish Eyes wrote: » First things first. Tuesday is the day, then the comments will light up on various fora, one way or the other. And back we come here to either agree or disagree with the learned judges decision. Interesting week ahead.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » So lying to the monarch is treason. And the current Home Secretary, Pritti Patel, used to be in favour of capital punishment (as was Gove). I must check out Paddy Power's odds on Johnson being beheaded.
Strazdas wrote: » A panelist on Newsnight makes the very good point that if the SC overturns the Scottish result, it will play out extremely badly in Scotland.
murphaph wrote: » If the SC confirms the Court of Session judgement then nobody needs to recall parliament. It will have never been prorogued and will thus be still sitting. That is essentially what the Court of Session ruled. MPs would just need to turn up. It's more of a courtesy to the SC that MPs are waiting before retaking their seats I believe.I was watching that Rise of the Nazis documentary this evening. It's shocking just how fast (matter of months) Germany went from liberal democracy to police state dictatorship. Crucial to this was infiltrating the criminal justice system. The independence of the judiciary is absolutely critical. The attacks on these judges are Nazi in nature. Nobody should be under any other illusions.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » Misconduct in public office carries a sentence up to life imprisonment.
Strazdas wrote: » I watched that episode only last night. The parallels with Johnson are very striking. Germany went from being a democracy to a dictatorship in the space of six months. The usual right wing authoritarian tactics : simply bypass the parliament, undermine the judiciary and introduce emergency powers and claim you are "doing it in the national interest".
Akrasia wrote: » For the last few weeks I've noticed that after 9pm, the main UK terresterial channels have been either news/politics, reality fluff, WW2 documentaries Given that most of the politics is dominated by pro brexit politicians and talking heads, and most of the documentaries have been about 'the rise of hitler' It's a striking contrast. And worst of all, is that loads of brexit voters will watch the 'rise of hitler' documentaries and think thoughts like 'Britain was at it's best when it was fighting the germans' Or, 'the EU is like the third reich' Instead of looking at their own political system today and how closely it compares with the german zeitgeist just prior to the rise of National Socialism. When you turn on LBC you hear a lot of extremely earnest callers repeating soundbytes as though they were their own original thoughts. That's what propaganda does. It's the art of repeating lies in such a way as they are adopted as truths. When you're someone like Nick Ferarri, and you have a token balance expert guest on at 9am who explains that the original yellowhammer document described itself as the 'base scenario' and he accepts their point, and then he allows caller after caller to refer to it as the 'worst case scenario' without correcting them.... then you know that they are just interested in promoting a propaganda.
Strazdas wrote: » Akrasia wrote: » For the last few weeks I've noticed that after 9pm, the main UK terresterial channels have been either news/politics, reality fluff, WW2 documentaries Given that most of the politics is dominated by pro brexit politicians and talking heads, and most of the documentaries have been about 'the rise of hitler' It's a striking contrast. And worst of all, is that loads of brexit voters will watch the 'rise of hitler' documentaries and think thoughts like 'Britain was at it's best when it was fighting the germans' Or, 'the EU is like the third reich' Instead of looking at their own political system today and how closely it compares with the german zeitgeist just prior to the rise of National Socialism. When you turn on LBC you hear a lot of extremely earnest callers repeating soundbytes as though they were their own original thoughts. That's what propaganda does. It's the art of repeating lies in such a way as they are adopted as truths. When you're someone like Nick Ferarri, and you have a token balance expert guest on at 9am who explains that the original yellowhammer document described itself as the 'base scenario' and he accepts their point, and then he allows caller after caller to refer to it as the 'worst case scenario' without correcting them.... then you know that they are just interested in promoting a propaganda. I would hazard a guess that many / most Brexit voters would be quite happy to live in a semi democratic / semi authoritarian state under Johnson. Their paying lip service to "democracy" is a joke basically. They have many authoritarian instincts and make Conservative supporters of 20 years ago look like moderates and liberals. They seem to have become very radicalised by Brexit.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » But thanks to an EU ruling the UK can still sentence people to a "whole of life" sentence, because they could be released by the Justice Secretary in exceptional circumstances.
Leroy42 wrote: » That is the bit that gets me. Even if you accept that Yellowhammer is worst case rather than base, why are people not asking why Brexit even has the possibility of doing any of it? Why aren't Johnson, Gove, JRM, IDS, Farage etc being asked where all this was during the ref campaign. Did they factor it in and who should pay for this? Where has the, so far £8bn, funding of preparations come from and how much else will it cost. There are millions that will be severely affected by any type of disruption and or price rises. Its amazing that an huge amount of the country is willing to so negatively affect so many others for their own ideology.
murphaph wrote: » If your only source of "news" are "newspapers" that Wikipedia rejects as propaganda, then it's easy to be convinced that the whole civil service is in on "project fear". Vast numbers of people simply don't believe these projections.
Hermy wrote: » Well I must admit to being a little bit wiser for the near 100k posts. When I voted to reject Nice and Lisbon twice, I was oblivious as to how little I really knew about the EU. Since Brexit my ignorance and my opinion of the EU has changed significantly and much of that is down to these ongoing threads. So as bewildering as Brexit has been and continues to be I have also found it to be informative in equal measure.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » The Tories are lying blatantly and rampantly. They ran an ad on Facebook quoting an article by the BBC about school funding. However, they changed a key fact in the headline of the article so that it read as if the Tories were ploughing money into schools whereas the article was actually highly critical.
An Ciarraioch wrote: » Not sure if one could call it progress, but Sammy Wilson states that if Stormont remains mothballed, Westminster could provide the supervisory role:https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/dup-s-brexit-backstop-alternative-sinn-fein-assembly-veto-will-not-block-progress-says-mp-1-9070379
beggars_bush wrote: » An Ciarraioch wrote: » Not sure if one could call it progress, but Sammy Wilson states that if Stormont remains mothballed, Westminster could provide the supervisory role:https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/dup-s-brexit-backstop-alternative-sinn-fein-assembly-veto-will-not-block-progress-says-mp-1-9070379 DUP would collapse all stormont governance overnight if they could
Borderhopper wrote: » You will find that, after a general election result that takes the DUP out of their current position of influence, they will do a 180 where direct rule isn’t acceptable and Stormont is the only show in town.
lawred2 wrote: » Borderhopper wrote: » You will find that, after a general election result that takes the DUP out of their current position of influence, they will do a 180 where direct rule isn’t acceptable and Stormont is the only show in town. They have no position of influence any longer. Sure even with them the government is over twenty seats short of a majority.
