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Opinions? I'm on episode 4 now

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Daisy03 wrote: »

I've been to similiar events before where questions were submitted on the night of the event. I've never been to one where they had to be emailed in advance.

It just felt like the Q&A session was a complete cop out. Other events I have been to for podcasts and documentaries have been so much better. I was really looking forward to the West Cork event but was very disappointed.

I would have thought that given the nature of this unresolved case that it would be obvious that they would have to put some control measures in place for legal reasons.

tech

very true, but it would be worth it !

doughef

tech wrote: »

Id love to get some more episopes of this, since there has been a few more dates in court since.

Same / but then we’d all have download audible for another month free trial!!!

tech

Id love to get some more episopes of this, since there has been a few more dates in court since.

Daisy03

I've been to similiar events before where questions were submitted on the night of the event. I've never been to one where they had to be emailed in advance.

It just felt like the Q&A session was a complete cop out. Other events I have been to for podcasts and documentaries have been so much better. I was really looking forward to the West Cork event but was very disappointed.

p to the e

Kingp35 wrote: »

It's so they can pick and choose which questions to answer and that they won't be caught out on the night by intelligent questions they can't answer. It's cowardly but many similar talks do the same.

Went to the talk with the lawyer from the staircase and we had to write down any questions before the show. He could then pick and choose what questions he wanted to answer. Obviously none of them were too strenuous.

Kingp35

Daisy03 wrote:

Not sure why they requested questions to be emailed in advance. The questions and answers were very general.

It's so they can pick and choose which questions to answer and that they won't be caught out on the night by intelligent questions they can't answer. It's cowardly but many similar talks do the same.

terrydel

cloudatlas wrote: »

It's strange how much he relishes this 'celebrity' status.

Not saying he's guilty or not, but how do you know he relishes the status? That's just personal opinion. Could easily be argued his media appearances or interviews are a desperate attempt to get his side of the story across. Unless you are familiar with him in a personal capacity, you are only guessing.

terrydel

Widdensushi wrote: »

Guilty ,will they be able to extradite him though ?You would think they would but they have failed in the past .

If he's extradited it is essentially an admission by the Irish state that they trust the decision of a judiciary in a foreign country above that of their own. It ain't gonna happen.

Daisy03

Did anyone go to the event in the Cork Opera House Saturday night? I was very disappointed with the Q&A session. Not sure why they requested questions to be emailed in advance. The questions and answers were very general.

awec

Just finished listening to this, great show and really leaves me feeling conflicted and somwhat confused.

If Marie Farrell told me it was raining I'd go to the window to check. It is arguable she comes out of this the worst.

Her refusal to name the person in the car, for her own selfish reasons, has contributed to a shambles of a murder case.

[Deleted User]

Seems like a bizarre event for a murder investigation podcast

TheFortField

West Cork Podcast (Live) is coming to Limerick’s Limetree Theatre on October 13th. Has anyone attended this event in Cork or another venue? If so, what did you think?

A performance with live music and new material, of the hit podcast ‘West Cork’.

TomOnBoard

irishgeo wrote: »

what happened the extra episodes?

Perhaps the "extra episodes" referred to some additional analyses/reporting that would/might follow on from that Trial in Paris??

irishgeo

what happened the extra episodes?

Robert McGrath

Scott Tenorman wrote: »

Finally got around to listen to this (it’s on YouTube).

Very interesting case. I went into it thinking Bailey was being fitted up and finished it thinking he could well have done it but was definitely being fitted up!

The gards made an absolute bags of the investigation & it will likely never be solved.

If it’s the same YouTube stream I saw, then I’d say it’s worth signing up to Audible for the free trial for this. The sound quality is immeasurably better on the Audible version - there’s a big enough difference that I think the YouTube lack of quality detracts from the experience

Scott Tenorman

Finally got around to listen to this (it’s on YouTube).

Very interesting case. I went into it thinking Bailey was being fitted up and finished it thinking he could well have done it but was definitely being fitted up!

The gards made an absolute bags of the investigation & it will likely never be solved.

cloudatlas

It's strange how much he relishes this 'celebrity' status.

[Deleted User]

dastardly00 wrote: »

Wow. Thanks for sharing

If I was family member of somebody murdered, I could see myself trading a one year suspended sentence for abduction to get the alleged murderer to stand trial...

dastardly00

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Look up the Kalinka Bamberski case as an example of what can happen...

Just sayin' , like.

Wow. Thanks for sharing

[Deleted User]

Dunphy has a podcast episode with Mick Clifford covering the trial in Paris

irishgeo

guilty in his absence but entitled to a new trial if he finds himself someone how in france. can they issue a European arrest warrant.

TomOnBoard

Widdensushi wrote: »

Guilty ,will they be able to extradite him though ?You would think they would but they have failed in the past .

They'll probably have no better chance of getting him to France through the extradition process now that he has been tried and found guilty.

However, the French are very hard-nosed when it comes to 'plucking' lads from other EU countries when they've been found guilty in France. If I was Mr B, I'd be very careful about going for a sail or a dip in the sea off Schull. It would be fierce easy for him to find himself beyond a territorial limit, and looking into the eyes of a couple of Frogmen if he wasnt careful...

Look up the Kalinka Bamberski case as an example of what can happen...

Just sayin' , like.

Widdensushi

Guilty ,will they be able to extradite him though ?You would think they would but they have failed in the past .

Mantis Toboggan

Murder trial without Ian Bailey has started in Paris.

matthewo111

Just finished the podcast series and here's some unfounded hot-take basket-case crack-pot theories.

1. Someone in the guards could have been actively involved - (apparently there are whispers of a local guard who has since died who is suspected - a very violent guy). The way they handled everything stunk to high-heaven. And they seem to have lost a tonne of evidence, like, more than can be considered normal... a blood-spattered gate, taken from close to where Ms Toscan du Plantier’s body was found, a French wine bottle found four months after the murder near the scene of the killing, and Mr Bailey’s black coat, all gone. There's something beyond the bounds of belief about all this, and everyone who has listened to the podcast know there is a tonne of other bizarre behaviour from the guards on this too.

2. Maria Farrell could have been more directly involved than she let on. She is one of the few people who was up at that hour and in the vicinity. It strikes me she was very much a person who (despite what she claims) liked being in the centre of it. And has proven to be a pathological liar. The DPP called her a "rotten apple" or something similar. Theres at least some signs of her being a psychopath here. Who was the other person in the car? Maybe it was just her. Or maybe Bailey himself. It's just bizarre she was taken at her word immediately. It's pretty unacceptable that she was allowed to keep silent on who was in the car with her. The man she claims it was, has been dead for a number of years. I kind of doubt it was who she says it was - just very convenient for her that he cannot verify it now.

TomOnBoard

sportsfan90 wrote: »

I finished the last episode over the weekend and I'm none the wiser on if Bailey did it or not.

If I had to guess, I think that it was probably pinned on Bailey by the Guards so they focused entirely on him and nobody else. Then again, in the last episode or two I was struck how Bailey almost dismissed his domestic violence history by saying they weren't premeditated.

Great Podcast overall.

I'd kinda be of a similar view as yourself. Definitely a great piece of journalism overall. I'm not so sure it was 'pinned' on Bailey by the Guards, but possibly the bulk of the force was steered inappropriately by someone, since deceased, who had more 'skin in the game' than he should have had. The podcast didn't really deal with that facet enough though!

At the least, Bailey came across as somewhat unhinged from a social/awareness perspective, exhibiting a lot of narcissism and indeed acting as something of a sociopath along the way. His otherwise relatively mundane existence was clearly excited by all the attention and his participation in "the game". However, any prospect of outing him as a viable, prosecutable suspect was constantly undermined by cack- handed investigative processes, ranging from a Coroner who left a corpse out in the open for hours to manipulation of witnesses and disappearance of crucial evidence, such as a blood- and probably DNA- rich gate that never got the attention it probably deserved, or else its evidentiary treasure was subverted..

I look forward to the French prosecution. Let's see what that brings!

sportsfan90

I finished the last episode over the weekend and I'm none the wiser on if Bailey did it or not.

If I had to guess, I think that it was probably pinned on Bailey by the Guards so they focused entirely on him and nobody else. Then again, in the last episode or two I was struck how Bailey almost dismissed his domestic violence history by saying they weren't premeditated.

Great Podcast overall.

boombang

I enjoyed listening to this in a binge over a long weekend.

I'm really left in two minds over Ian Bailey. On the one hand he comes across as an attention hungry looser that relished the intrigue; and so may be the perfect red herring for the crime. On the other, he seems like a violent man with pronounced mental health difficulties that seems to fit the bill of the killer.

Overall, he seems like too much of a wally to not have totally slipped up and comprehensively implicated himself over twenty years since the murder.

Finally, one thing I didn't realise was how horrible and violent Sophie's death was. That's probably the main thing I'm left with. Poor soul.

dastardly00

Blanco100 wrote: »

can this be downloaded via pocketcast

No, it's only available on Audible.
You can listen to it for free with a free trial.