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Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Jimmy Garlic

Climate saint Greta Trunburg is settling sail for UN climate talks in New York to demand that governments socially engineer and tax the little people into oblivion to save the planet. Accompanied by her film maker father who lives vicariously through her, a filthy rich aristocrat from Monaco and some German bloke the trip will no doubt vastly increase the wattage of her halo before she lectures us all about impending climate Armageddon in New York. Hopefully snaps from the trip will make it into Hello! Magazine.

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Roger_007

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Apparently we have our very own Greta now..

https://www-thesun-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thesun.ie/news/4549098/irish-teen-joins-environment-activist-greta-thunberg-in-new-york-at-united-nations-summit-on-climate-action/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.ie%2Fnews%2F4549098%2Firish-teen-joins-environment-activist-greta-thunberg-in-new-york-at-united-nations-summit-on-climate-action%2F

I assume she won't be flying to the Big Apple...........(would there happen to be a fishing trawler going that way?).

pjohnson

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Apparently we have our very own Greta now..

https://www-thesun-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thesun.ie/news/4549098/irish-teen-joins-environment-activist-greta-thunberg-in-new-york-at-united-nations-summit-on-climate-action/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.ie%2Fnews%2F4549098%2Firish-teen-joins-environment-activist-greta-thunberg-in-new-york-at-united-nations-summit-on-climate-action%2F

Ooooh this will cause some great pearl clutching now.

Pa ElGrande

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Apparently we have our very own Greta now..

https://www-thesun-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thesun.ie/news/4549098/irish-teen-joins-environment-activist-greta-thunberg-in-new-york-at-united-nations-summit-on-climate-action/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.ie%2Fnews%2F4549098%2Firish-teen-joins-environment-activist-greta-thunberg-in-new-york-at-united-nations-summit-on-climate-action%2F

Young adults on their upcoming NGO inspired pilgrimage to worship wind turbines should follow Gretas lead and only walk or cycle to school.
Funny there was not a peep out of them over the Summer or weekends

What do we want? Climate action.
When do we want it? During double maths!

Expect the recruiters to be out as as well.

Jimmy Garlic

Apparently we have our very own Greta now..

https://www-thesun-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thesun.ie/news/4549098/irish-teen-joins-environment-activist-greta-thunberg-in-new-york-at-united-nations-summit-on-climate-action/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.ie%2Fnews%2F4549098%2Firish-teen-joins-environment-activist-greta-thunberg-in-new-york-at-united-nations-summit-on-climate-action%2F

JRant

Achebe wrote: »

Well, the dinosaurs were killed by a the effects of a meteorite. Not much comparison there. Maybe you learned paleontology from Mr Freeze and think the Ice Age did it.

Of course climiate change has happened in differeit forms without human involvement. However, the scientific consenus is that the current changes are man made.

Not entirely all Mr Freeze, Ache. There was the Great Dying, which is still the largest extinction event on this planet and very nearly wiped all life out. This was thought to be a mixture of meteorites, volcanoes, and climate warming.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian–Triassic_extinction_event

I would also say that the current scientific consensus is that some of the current changes are man-made. As yet there has been nothing published to say exactly what that percentage is or it's effect.

SafeSurfer

Achebe wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Would you agree that climate change has happened in the absence of capitalism and therefore your assertion that the way to prevent climate change is to get rid of capitalism is nonsense.

Well, the dinosaurs were killed by a the effects of a meteorite. Not much comparison there. Maybe you learned paleontology from Mr Freeze and think the Ice Age did it.

Of course climiate change has happened in differeit forms without human involvement. However, the scientific consenus is that the current changes are man made.

A meteorite killed the dinosaurs? How certain are you that is wasn’t climate change? Go on. Google.

Achebe

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Would you agree that climate change has happened in the absence of capitalism and therefore your assertion that the way to prevent climate change is to get rid of capitalism is nonsense.

Well, the dinosaurs were killed by a the effects of a meteorite. Not much comparison there. Maybe you learned paleontology from Mr Freeze and think the Ice Age did it.

Of course climiate change has happened in differeit forms without human involvement. However, the scientific consenus is that the current changes are man made.

SafeSurfer

Achebe wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So the climate would stop changing if there was no capitalism?

It didn’t work for the dinosaurs.

How is what happened to the dinosaurs comparable to what is happening today?

Would you agree that climate change has happened in the absence of capitalism and therefore your assertion that the way to prevent climate change is to get rid of capitalism is nonsense.

Achebe

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So the climate would stop changing if there was no capitalism?

It didn’t work for the dinosaurs.

How is what happened to the dinosaurs comparable to what is happening today?

Eric Cartman

Achebe wrote: »

The only way to combat climate change is to finally put an end to capitalism

Youre going to need to get much better at this to make it as a troll here. Your posts are all just nonsense buzz word bingo, very transparant.

SafeSurfer

Achebe wrote: »

The only way to combat climate change is to finally put an end to capitalism

So the climate would stop changing if there was no capitalism?

It didn’t work for the dinosaurs.

Achebe

The only way to combat climate change is to finally put an end to capitalism

gozunda

KyussB wrote: »

Again: No conspiracies - it is being done right out in the open - are you completely ignorant of the Oil Oligarch backed think-tank networks?

Frankly no. But yeah that's one helluva conspiracy right there lol.

KyussB wrote:

It's well researched and out in the open, ffs ::If you're not Anarcho-Capitalists/Libertarians - why the fuck are you all citing Libertarian think-tanks, funded by notorious Oil Oligarchs? :confusedYou're oblivious - wilfully so, most likely, whenever something agrees with your views.

Am I really? The last source I quoted for you was the UK socialist party who were claiming the New Green deal as belonging to them. So are you now saying the socialists are in fact "Libertarian think-tanks" funded by "notorious Oil Oligarchs"? Indeed Indeed truly deeply

SafeSurfer

KyussB wrote: »

Tip: If someone's not a Communist, stop spouting that shite in place of presenting actual arguments - that way an actual debate can happen - and it doesn't devolve into ridiculing the hypocrisy of 'Communist!' screeching, from idiots who obliviously advocate the self-destruction of Capitalism, through gradual climate change.

Well done. A post in which you didn’t mention fellatio or cock sucking. Excellent. Have a gold star for your copy book.

KyussB

Tip: If someone's not a Communist, stop spouting that shite in place of presenting actual arguments - that way an actual debate can happen - and it doesn't devolve into ridiculing the hypocrisy of 'Communist!' screeching, from idiots who obliviously advocate the self-destruction of Capitalism, through gradual climate change.

SafeSurfer

KyussB wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Maybe not even an undergraduate. Your unhealthy obsession with oral sex smacks of junior cert.

Puritanist now, are we? I'll go to hell for my sins, so

Really - throwing around the 'Communist' label - and accusing others of junior cert level arguments...

I lifted the debate right up to the macroeconomic level, and the economic/political reforms needed for enacting a Green New Deal proper - about as high a place the debate can go - and just got met with the Communist accusation bullshit (even junior cert students wouldn't fall for that shit) - from people who aren't even Capitalists, just supporters of self-destructive Oligarchy...

Yes you are right. You debate at a much higher level than the ordinary plebs on Boards. There is no higher place a debate can go than droning endlessly on and on about the green new deal. Even with liberal use of swear words and obsessing over sex acts your debating prowess is on a far superior level to anything I have seen on the internet never mind Boards or this thread.

KyussB

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah. It's all a big conspiracy by crypto capitalist oil oligarchs fascists for sure

Everyone one who you dont agree with or point out that the green new deal is a big pile of brown poo are the "supporters of the Oligarchy"
And "Anarcho-Capitalism / Libertarianism lol. Sure. :rolleyes:

Jeez h bike - but do you actually read the ****e you post?

So now you've got that off your chest - we can take it you now finished hijacking the greta in the new world thread yeah?

Again: No conspiracies - it is being done right out in the open - are you completely ignorant of the Oil Oligarch backed think-tank networks?

It's well researched and out in the open, ffs :rolleyes:

If you're not Anarcho-Capitalists/Libertarians - why the fuck are you all citing Libertarian think-tanks, funded by notorious Oil Oligarchs?

You're oblivious - wilfully so, most likely, whenever something agrees with your views.

KyussB

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Maybe not even an undergraduate. Your unhealthy obsession with oral sex smacks of junior cert.

Puritanist now, are we? I'll go to hell for my sins, so

Really - throwing around the 'Communist' label - and accusing others of junior cert level arguments...

I lifted the debate right up to the macroeconomic level, and the economic/political reforms needed for enacting a Green New Deal proper - about as high a place the debate can go - and just got met with the Communist accusation bullshit (even junior cert students wouldn't fall for that shit) - from people who aren't even Capitalists, just supporters of self-destructive Oligarchy...

gozunda

KyussB wrote: »

Capitalists don't support self-destruction through gradual climate change.The people who support self-destruction while claiming to be Capitalists, are not Capitalists - how could they be Capitalist while supporting the self-destruction of that system?
They are supporters of Oligarchy at any cost. They'll use whatever ideology is most favourable for the day, to achieve that. Typically this is something closer to Anarcho-Capitalism/Libertarianism - just like all the think-tanks you lot are fellating - which is a form of Capitalism which is nothing like what we see in the real world, it's a deliberately extreme/unachievable form of Capitalism, that happens to be very useful to Oil Oligarchs.

Yeah. It's all a big conspiracy by crypto capitalist oil oligarchs fascists for sure

Everyone one who you dont agree with or point out that the green new deal is a big pile of brown poo are the "supporters of the Oligarchy"
And "Anarcho-Capitalism / Libertarianism lol. Sure. :rolleyes:

Jeez h bike - but do you actually read the ****e you post?

So now you've got that off your chest - we can take it you now finished hijacking the greta in the new world thread yeah?

SafeSurfer

KyussB wrote: »

Hey I'm not the one deep-throating Charles Koch, and think think tank network he affiliates with.

Maybe not even an undergraduate. Your unhealthy obsession with oral sex smacks of junior cert.

KyussB

Hey I'm not the one deep-throating Charles Koch, and think think tank networks he affiliates with.

SafeSurfer

KyussB wrote: »

Capitalists don't support self-destruction through gradual climate change.

The people who support self-destruction while claiming to be Capitalists, are not Capitalists - how could they be Capitalist while supporting the self-destruction of that system?

They are supporters of Oligarchy at any cost. They'll use whatever ideology is most favourable for the day, to achieve that. Typically this is something closer to Anarcho-Capitalism/Libertarianism - just like all the think-tanks you lot are fellating - which is a form of Capitalism which is nothing like what we see in the real world, it's a deliberately extreme/unachievable form of Capitalism, that happens to be very useful to Oil Oligarchs.

That some nonsense right there. Like the ramblings of an angry, idealistic undergraduate.

KyussB

Capitalists don't support self-destruction through gradual climate change.

The people who support self-destruction while claiming to be Capitalists, are not Capitalists - how could they be Capitalist while supporting the self-destruction of that system?

They are supporters of Oligarchy at any cost. They'll use whatever ideology is most favourable for the day, to achieve that. Typically this is something closer to Anarcho-Capitalism/Libertarianism - just like all the think-tanks you lot are fellating - which is a form of Capitalism which is nothing like what we see in the real world, it's a deliberately extreme/unachievable form of Capitalism, that happens to be very useful to Oil Oligarchs.

gozunda

KyussB wrote: »

It might shock you to find out, but preventing self-destruction through gradual climate change is a pan-ideological idea.

Pan-ideological but not those nasty self destructing capitalists - I take it?

KyussB wrote:

The Green New Deals purpose is to save Capitalism from destroying itself, through gradual climate change

And yet the odd thing is that we have socialists telling us that horse belongs in their stable?

Well I'm glad we cleared all that up ...

KyussB

It might shock you to find out, but preventing self-destruction through gradual climate change is a pan-ideological idea.

gozunda

KyussB wrote: »

The Green New Deal's purpose is to save Capitalism from destroying itself, through gradual climate change - are you a Capitalist, or not?
For someone who claims to be a strong Capitalist supporter, and constantly regurgitating the press releases of think tanks that claim the same - you (and they) sure as hell seem a lot more interested in letting Capitalism deliberately self-destruct, rather than preserving it. It's almost as if they don't give a toss about Capitalism at all - just about accumulating and preserving power...You also seem to think there won't be any death toll from this self-destruction, either.

Although you've directed that piece of verbage at another poster - its worthwhile pointing that thems weasel words at best...

Its peculiar that the socialist party in the UK dont seem to agree with your theory that the purpose of the 'green new deal ' is to somehow save capitalism from itself

politicians, such as left Democratic Party congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio Cortez (AOC) in the US, a self-declared socialist, have raised the idea of a 'Green New Deal', gaining support from many workers and young people, and including many measures which socialists would strongly support...

That's why fighting for Green New Deal policies raised by the likes of AOC - achieving carbon neutrality by 2030, public investment into new industries and technologies and the creation of millions of decent jobs on trade union rates of pay - means fighting capitalism, and for a socialist Green New Deal.

https://m.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/29174/29-05-2019/the-green-new-deal-we-need-is-socialism

And funnily enough they're not the only ones who point this out ...

So are we finished with the giant hijack of the - 'greta in the new world' thread - by the endless party political broadcast or do you need a bigger soapbox?

SafeSurfer

KyussB wrote: »

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The CPUSA endorses your miricacoulous, wonderous, fandiddlyastic 'green New deal'. If there was even a whiff of what they consider to be capitalism off it they would be foaming at their mouths and telling us to burn the witch.

Ironically, that would make them more supportive of Capitalism's continued future, than anyone in the thread regurgitating free market think-tank talking points, against fighting climate change.

Why are the Communist Party in the US, more supportive of Capitalism's continued existence, than people in this thread who label others as 'Communist'?

Fucking demented/bizarre. The posters railing against alleged/misattributed Commnism, don't even support the continuance of Capitalism...

A similar debate is currently taking place on Boards North Korea.

SafeSurfer

osarusan wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Fair enough. Now can you address Greta’s claims to be able to see carbon and if it effects her credibility at all.

I think it's a load of rubbish. She doesn't have any credibility in my eyes anyway.

My post to you was my first post in this thread - I haven't even opened it in about two weeks, and only did so as I wondered what people are talking about with her journey long over. I only looked at the last page, saw your interaction with KyussB, and thought it was poor stuff, and said so.

Well thank you for your insights. If you look at the context however, a poster in a thread basically about the credibility of Greta Thunberg was offering a rebuttal of the credibility of an individual linked to in a video due to the fact they had made a bull**** statement and may have an agenda. These are exactly the same claims being leveled at Greta Thunberg, i.e. links to greenwash PR companies and claims of an ability to see carbon.
That is the context. The rebuttal offered, questioning the credibility of the quoted individual is exactly the same rebuttal used against those defending Greta. Questioning her credibility. That point seems to be lost on many. Conveniently so.

Keyzer

In years to come Greta will be found out as a complete sheister....

KyussB

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The CPUSA endorses your miricacoulous, wonderous, fandiddlyastic 'green New deal'. If there was even a whiff of what they consider to be capitalism off it they would be foaming at their mouths and telling us to burn the witch.

Ironically, that would make them more supportive of Capitalism's continued future, than anyone in the thread regurgitating free market think-tank talking points, against fighting climate change.

Why are the Communist Party in the US, more supportive of Capitalism's continued existence, than people in this thread who label others as 'Communist'?

Fucking demented/bizarre. The posters railing against alleged/misattributed Commnism, don't even support the continuance of Capitalism...