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Nvidia RTX Discussion

K.O.Kiki

A new era in 3D graphics stands before us.

First-gen Raytracing GPUs:

Nvidia "Turing" - Quadro RTX 5000 / 6000 / 8000 (US$ 2'300 / 6'300 / 10'000)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13214/nvidia-reveals-next-gen-turing-gpu-architecture
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13217/nvidia-announces-turing-powered-quadro-rtx-family

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btkm8unsl0w5r4

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Buy Quake II & get the RTX patch.

Quake 2 RTX is free on steam

Cordell

If you just want to have a look you can get the shareware version free from Nvidia: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/quake-ii-rtx-ray-traced-remaster-out-now-for-free/

H3llR4iser

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Buy Quake II & get the RTX patch.

Actually, good call - that probably interests me more than any of the new games, just to see how much of a difference it makes (going by personal experience dabbling in 3D as an amateur, lighting makes or breaks a scene, so...).

I should actually have Quake II somewhere...then again, I don't have a PC with an optical drive anymore...the joys of the 21st century!

K.O.Kiki

Buy Quake II & get the RTX patch.

H3llR4iser

Just installed a 2070 Super over the week end (after an interesting game of "chase the parcel" with Parcel Motel). Haven't had the opportunity to try any ray-tracing enabled games yet (I don't have any actually - plan on getting Control soon).

So far I'm impressed with the CUDA performance - Iray renders are between 60 and 75% faster, on average, compared to the 1070 it is taking over from; Perhaps more interestingly, using both cards together only bears a further 10-15% improvement.

Final curiosity for the "need more WATTS!" brigade - The whole system, with a 3900x as the CPU, only draws about 500W from the wall with the CPU and both GPUs at 100% utilization; During gaming (when only the 2070 Super is used) tops out at 300W.

tuxy

.G. wrote: »

Haven't tried it to be honest.

Either have I because I only play at 1080p but I've read and seen videos that have done comparisons that say it works better than DLSS and that is why Nvidia have updated their image sharpening implementation recently.

.G.

Haven't tried it to be honest.

tuxy

.G. wrote: »

Got Control in the Epic sale and it's really great with RTX features on, great game too. Upscaled from 1080 to 4K obviously with RTX and DLSS on but I couldn't tell the difference between native 4k and it when I did a few comparisons. Can run it at 1440 upscaled too with my 2080ti but only able to get 40 ish FPS.

What do you think of down scaling the image and using image sharpening?

It's a much older technique but Nvidia recently updated it so it is on par with the AMD implementation. Most seem to agree it gives a better image and the same FPS as DLSS

.G.

Got Control in the Epic sale and it's really great with RTX features on, great game too. Upscaled from 1080 to 4K obviously with RTX and DLSS on but I couldn't tell the difference between native 4k and it when I did a few comparisons. Can run it at 1440 upscaled too with my 2080ti but only able to get 40 ish FPS.

tuxy

I haven't been playing games recently but was really surprised that the new COD has ray tracing features on PC.
This is it ray tracing has finally gone main stream, you can expect 2020 to be an outstanding year for Nvidia where all their innovation will pay off.

MaLiYa

This is a pretty good video which leads me to think I'd be better off going up a step on the ladder.

K.O.Kiki

MaLiYa wrote: »

Anybody using an RTX with SolidWorks. Am thinking of upgrading but to an RTX 4000 which is specifically for CAD but could save €500-€600 if I went with a consumer card like a 2070 Super.

As alluded to in the SolidWorks build thread - Quadro P2000 (€430) should be good enough for most projects.
Check benchmarks on PugetSystems

MaLiYa

Anybody using an RTX with SolidWorks. Am thinking of upgrading but to an RTX 4000 which is specifically for CAD but could save €500-€600 if I went with a consumer card like a 2070 Super.

.G.

Maybe not directly related but since its an DLSS game anyone play Shadow of the tomb raider? I have it but its crashing non stop saying my gpu doesn't have enough resources to play it or something like that. RTX 2080ti I doubt that!

K.O.Kiki

Anima wrote: »

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Saw this card in Saturn for 500e. Its a blower which is not great i guess. Still worth it?

Only worth if you replace the cooler IMHO.
Get a cheap 2070 Super (e.g. https://www.saturn.de/de/product/_kfa2-geforce%C2%AE-rtx-2070-super-ex-27isl6mdu9ek-2574158.html ) if you can't be arsed doing it yourself (e.g. with an Arctic Accelero Xtreme III, or Kraken G12 + AIO).

tuxy

Anima wrote: »

https://www.cyberport.de/pc-und-zubehoer/komponenten/grafikkarten/zotac/pdp/2e13-1fk/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-2080-blower-8-gb-gddr6-grafikkarte-3xdp-hdmi-usb-c.html

Saw this card in Saturn for 500e. Its a blower which is not great i guess. Still worth it?

It's the same price as this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-GeForce-High-Performance-Cooling-DUAL-RTX2080-O8G/dp/B07GQ52PNH/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=GeForce+RTX+2080&qid=1569516979&sr=8-2

The blower cards are only good for ITX builds or if you are replacing them with a water cooling solution anyway.

Anima

https://www.cyberport.de/pc-und-zubehoer/komponenten/grafikkarten/zotac/pdp/2e13-1fk/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-2080-blower-8-gb-gddr6-grafikkarte-3xdp-hdmi-usb-c.html

Saw this card in Saturn for 500e. Its a blower which is not great i guess. Still worth it?

btkm8unsl0w5r4

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Accelerated Ray Tracing: Testing NVIDIA’s RTX In Blender 2.81 Alpha

Bloody hell, that's some improvement!

How long will it take for somebody to post this is not a good thing, its somehow negative and that RTX is a waste of time and money...

RTX already had a big improvement in IPC on a lot of cad packages that were cuda accelerated. My own work use showed considerable improvement.

BloodBath

About time. Hopefully we see some more software support for that hardware. It's a waste otherwise.

Gonna be grabbing a 2070 or 2070S next month. Seen 2070's with decent coolers going as cheap as €430.

K.O.Kiki

Accelerated Ray Tracing: Testing NVIDIA’s RTX In Blender 2.81 Alpha

Bloody hell, that's some improvement!

btkm8unsl0w5r4

tuxy wrote: »

So he believes DLSS is not using tensor cores in control but Nvidia still limited it to RTX cards.
Is this making a stronger case for the tensor cores being unessasary in the future?

No...but I suppose people will take whatever their bias is from it. :rolleyes:

I took the fact you can ray trace everything on at 4k and get over 60 fps
. That DLSS upscalling is almost indistinguishable from native 4k, better in some cases and a little worse in others. The implementation of DLSS in control "may" not be running on the tensor cores at the moment but. This article is good

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-details-new-dlss-technique-in-control-explains-how-dlss-can-further-improve-in-the-future/

tuxy

So he believes DLSS is not using tensor cores in control but Nvidia still limited it to RTX cards.
Is this making a stronger case for the tensor cores being unessasary in the future?

btkm8unsl0w5r4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG5NLl85pPo

M00lers

For those of you lucky enough to own a LG OLED C9 and an RTX card.

http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2019/09/lg-unveils-first-oled-tvs-to-support-nvidia-g-sync-for-big-screen-gaming-experience/

Should really come into its own whenever 2.1 HDMI arrives on GPUs.

Inviere

TitianGerm wrote: »

The Ray tracing in consoles might only be a slimed down version used in very specific circumstances.

A bit like years worth of resolution claims really.

TitianGerm

Venom wrote: »

The problem for Sony and Microsoft is they have touted their upcoming consoles as 60+fps beasts and good luck trying to explain the complexities of RT to the average punter.

The Ray tracing in consoles might only be a slimed down version used in very specific circumstances.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

I think this entire thread is testament to the fact no matter what the truth is people just make up whatever anyway.

Venom

tuxy wrote: »

A GTX 1080ti can get 10 - 30 fps with RTX on in cortrol, if they could get it stable at 25 fps on navi do you think that would be an accecptable experiace for console?
Actully, maybe lower it to 24 fps so it can be called cinematic ray tracing.
Of course I'm joking but if 30 fps is accectable for most people on console would 25 fps really be that bad?
I think I've played GTA game on console in the past where the frame rate is sub 30 for large sections of the game.

The problem for Sony and Microsoft is they have touted their upcoming consoles as 60+fps beasts and good luck trying to explain the complexities of RT to the average punter.

BloodBath

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

5700-xt = 7nm 251mm²
RTX 2070 SUPER = 12nm 545mm²

As far as I know, if your selling a chip half the size on a smaller fab for near the same price, you make a lot more money per sale then your competitor.

Why would the start putting in dedicated hardware now, it will only chip away at their profit?

A mature 7nm process should be cheaper. Early 7nm costs roughly twice as much as Nvidias mature 12nm process.

Lower yields on the 7nm process push the costs up but it should come down as the node matures.

Didn't we have a demo showing hardware accelerated ray tracing on amd hardware already using a vega 56 no less. Granted it was only reflections.

tuxy

If people bustomers for the new consoles expect ray tracing then you could see deelepors go down the route of continuing to use checkerboard rendering and low frame rates. It was used last in the current gen with great success.
From a marketing point of veiw it might be the most sucnessful way to go.
20 - 30 fps in single player games with some limited ray tracing effects and then 60 fps in multiplayer games.