Johnboy1951 wrote: » Cyclists could be aggressive or simply do a runner etc even though you would recognise them again. Yes it is much more likely that a horse will do something unexpected in traffic, and when in control of children that can be even more dangerous. The sulky/cart is an added danger in such situations.
Road-Hog wrote: » So what is the solution here...? How common are sulky type accidents...? If either ‘cart’ or ‘horse’ were confiscated then there would be far more ‘sulkies on two legs’......like the majority of things traveller related the state authorities through a combination of lack of resources/deliberate policy of lax enforcement/intimidation do not seem to be that bothered about the behavior of a minority section of society.....looks like we in the ‘settled community’ will just have to accept this approach because after almost 100 years of self rule the application/ enforcement of rules and regs towards the ‘traveller community’ isn’t a priority......mr casey during his presidential campaign showed that the electorate would probably elect a lot of candidates if they were to run on the single issue of ‘controlling travellers’ But it is unlikely that in the next general Election there will be many such candidates.......there are far bigger things to solve as in ‘housing crisis’ brexit etc
spankmemunkey wrote: » So we should forget about any other issues cos Brexit and the Housing Crisis are more important? This issue to me is more prevalent as it is on my door step and it has happened to me. I've raised a question and suddenly everyone is pro traveller because they think i am not, I have no problem with travellers i just expect them to abide by the same laws and by laws that i am expected to abide by, its the very fact that people turn a blind eye and don't say hey that's not on that we find ourselves in this situation, The rules are constantly being broken and no matter who ye may call or ring, Guards Politicians IPA no one is willing to show any kind of accountability despite evidence and say hey your not allowed do that to the detriment of the rest of us because it just emboldens them to do what they like. Turning a blind eye is worse in the long run
Cabaal wrote: » Your issue here is the existing laws are not being enforced, this is something you need to raise with local Gardai, Council and your local TD.
spankmemunkey wrote: » Thank you i have done but they all listen and say theyll do something but never do, none of them have the nuts to put this out there for fear of being a backlash or anti traveller the truth is they cant cut through the bull, I think these things need to be looked at as a collective effort. I asked to speak to the local halting sites liason officer and i was told it was such and such but impossible to get in contact with. The very idea of a liason officer is to go between local residents and halting site.
Road-Hog wrote: » Time for us to Take the law into our own hands.......start mass protests like there was Re the water charges and other austerity issues.....
hardybuck wrote: » Why don't you march up to their camp and protest up there?
spankmemunkey wrote: » What good would that do?
spankmemunkey wrote: » What good would that do? Why don't you put forward a decent argument instead of sarcasm and knowing all the answers
hardybuck wrote: » Just to follow up on your second comment, I wasn't being sarcastic or offering any answers. I genuinely think you should go up there and engage with them directly if you feel so strongly about it.
spankmemunkey wrote: » I'm sure you would genuinely do the same if you had an issue with local residents who constantly flaunted the law of the land and I'm sure you'd get a polite and constructive response. Fact is i have spoken to powers that be to no avail, If the environmental protection agency don't do anything about certain scrap metal pile ups and cars being burnt out to by pass the legal environmental process to end of life vehicles on public land then that tells you what your up against.
friendlyfun wrote: » There's effectively nothing Casey could have done though. He would have embarrassed the office of the presidency if elected.
Azatadine wrote: » Only a matter of time before the horses cause an accident in Carrickpherrish. There was one out Williamstown way this evening.
Azatadine wrote: » How those sulkies are not classed as cruelty to animals I'll never know. Making them 'race' on tarmac with an unnatural gait with a trap and a big traveller whipping them along. Their hooves and joints must be in bits. I dont know how they train them to perform that gait but I'm sure it's not a pleasant experience for the horse.
Azatadine wrote: » Yeah, watching it. if this was supposed to give us a good impression of them it failed....
hardybuck wrote: » I have engaged with them on loads of different occasions in the past on different issues. But I'm not advocating taking the law into my own hands or protesting. And if you are you planning on protesting better to go to source than blocking up the town.
spankmemunkey wrote: » Oh that's why your called HardyBuck
hardybuck wrote: » Why would I have to be 'hardy' to engage with them on different issues? Are you afraid for some reason?
spankmemunkey wrote: » I wouldn't be afraid to engage with any sensible person who is willing to accept criticism but some people aren't and choose to single out people who don't accept their way of life, I've seen it happen before. you really paint a lovely democratic reasonable picture of these people. Some people want rights to do things their way and feck the rest of them and if we don't like it then there's trouble. Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise
hardybuck wrote: » I haven't really, I just asked you a straight question. Previous to that I voiced an opinion that protesting down the town would be an utter waste of time, and asked you why you didn't take it up with them if you felt so strongly. I'm not sure who owns this land, but travellers pull into private land up and down the country every day of the week. These landowners don't protest in their nearest urban center about it...
spankmemunkey wrote: » Its actually a halting site and all land in the surrounding area is owned by the council who allow this type of behaviour to go on, they are fully aware of it, there were cars being burnt out every 2nd night in those fields, to which the Fire Brigade had to respond to, wheres the joined up thinking, its costing this amount because!!!!!! Scrap Metal business's must meet strict criteria to operate and hold licences and they obviously don't, NOTHING gets done about it, i have spoken to counsellors and the EPA and Guards etc etc, As is my civic duty but NOBODY wants to touch it despite the fact that they breaking the law habitually. When they were canvassing recently i managed to ask certain counsellors why they hadn't got back to me like they said they would on some of these issues. So simple to resolve yet no one has the cahones to do anything. We have to be compliant with the law but they don't have to be and if anyone tries to do anything, even discuss it on a forum like this, its Racism, its absolutely madness, i
hardybuck wrote: » First of all - fair play with regard to your engagement with the Gardai, EPA and local Councillors on the issue. To probe that racism element you've mentioned, there have been other areas of town where crime has been a problem over the years, and other anti-social behaviour which has an impact on the quality of life of others. Do you think there should be a general protest complaining about crime and anti-social behaviour generally or do you solely want to protest regarding the residents of this particular location?
