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The "NoFap" movement

Kermit.de.frog

*checks calendar*

Nope, definitely not April 1st.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/sep/09/whats-causing-women-to-join-the-nofap-movement

So...

Kristel is a follower of NoFap, a platform that encourages its users to refrain from masturbation. She claims her new lifestyle has led to a complete physical and mental reformation.

Kristel explains: “Even though most of the responses I get are encouraging and positive, there is also a side of people not taking it seriously. They think girls don’t even masturbate to begin with.”

The flippantly named NoFap community has gained a strange prominence since it was founded in 2011 by Pittsburgh web developer Alexander Rhodes. Inspired by a small study that suggested that male testosterone levels rose after seven days of abstinence from ejaculation, followers avoid masturbation in order to “reboot” their brains.

What do you make of Kristel's outlook on things in relation to this? She makes some ok points?

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Reviews and Books Galore

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

do you think many men actually listen to that??

Not to look at women? Actually, I think they do. It's an interesting theory though.

[Deleted User]

Social Medium wrote: »

You could set a clock by my morning boner, I just noticed over the last year I'm not really bothered by anything. If you told me I'd die in my sleep tonight I'd shrug my shoulders.

Do you find that level of apathy to be constant or do you find moments where you are full of the joys and energy and feel great?

harry Bailey esq

Nosnon wrote: »

Are ya still allowed to ride?

Apparently. What's the story with fleshlights I wonder?

ohnonotgmail

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Eh, different types of pleasures tbh. You could be watching avatar twenty four seven, but you would still see the beuty of autumn leaves as it a different grain/color spectrum.

Imo, perhaps you can talk to someone or a doctor? You're testosterone levels might be low and not masturbating isn't going to do anything. Hell, there's been a lot of studies to show that looking at porn/women actually raises testosterone.

I do wonder whether telling men not to look at women is part of the lower sperm count in the western world?

do you think many men actually listen to that??

Sleepy

:eek:

Social Medium wrote: »

I just noticed over the last year I'm not really bothered by anything. If you told me I'd die in my sleep tonight I'd shrug my shoulders.

If you're not trolling in this post and you feel this way while your other half is expecting your child, please consider speaking to a professional rather than looking to the dark recesses of the internet for bro-science guidance.

With a kid on the way you should be excited, terrified or swinging wildly between the two, not in a state of permanent ennui.

Sky King

I'm not a 'fapster-not' by any means but my record is two weeks, through no fault of my own (shared accomodation at night and busy days).

I rang the ma on my way home and told her to wrap my mattress in cling film in advance of my arrival

Reviews and Books Galore

Social Medium wrote: »

The theory behind it is reasonable, when dopamine receptors are over stimulated they lose their sensitivity meaning you derive less pleasure from everyday activities such as going for a walk or socialising with friends.

Eh, different types of pleasures tbh. You could be watching avatar twenty four seven, but you would still see the beuty of autumn leaves as it a different grain/color spectrum.

Imo, perhaps you can talk to someone or a doctor? You're testosterone levels might be low and not masturbating isn't going to do anything. Hell, there's been a lot of studies to show that looking at porn/women actually raises testosterone.

I do wonder whether telling men not to look at women is part of the lower sperm count in the western world?

Andreas77

One time I didn't touch it for one year. Overall, I think it more good than harm, but what happened was one night near the one year mark, I was out drinking in a very rough bar (abroad) and a woman introduced me to her daughter. This girl was same age as me, about 19 or 20, but she had a scarred face (was farming community), she was as you say, rough around the edges (I think she had poor teeth with some missing) and I was all smiles, joking etc, but I didn't want to sleep with this young hag, but that night in the safety of my bed, I pulled it and pulled it and pulled it, all the time remembering her unusual features, until I made a pretty mess all over linens. True story. I wonder where she is now,.

Deebles McBeebles

Social Medium wrote: »

You could set a clock by my morning boner

Did it emerge mid-breakfast on Sunday or is it set for DST?

Anus Von Skidmark

Feisar wrote: »

Get yer bloods done to check your testosterone if you have genuine concerns. Although as long as you wake up with a raging boner you should be grand.

I find physical fitness / activity levels are a factor for me - I'm way more alert and have more enthusiasm for life when I get at least 45 mins - 1 hour of cardio exercise every day or two.

When I'm exercising every day or two, if I didn't do a sex wee every couple of days I'd be waddling around with a rigid willy the whole time.

Feisar

Social Medium wrote: »

If the unthinkable happens and I'm required to have sex I'll pull out before ejaculating. Famous last words!

I've noticed I'm lacking motivation to do anything, work is a slog without motivation. So want to try something to see if it will give me a pep in my step. Dopamine is key for motivation as I understand, and happiness in general.

Get yer bloods done to check your testosterone if you have genuine concerns. Although as long as you wake up with a raging boner you should be grand.

Deebles McBeebles

Im invested now, I want to see exactly how long it takes until you wake up in a puddle of Greek yoghurt.

Wibbs

Social Medium wrote: »

We'll agree to disagree then, I think it's worth trying for a few months and see for myself if there any benefits.

Any "benefits" will be entirely psychosomatic.

Wibbs

Social Medium wrote: »

The theory behind it is reasonable, when dopamine receptors are over stimulated they lose their sensitivity meaning you derive less pleasure from everyday activities such as going for a walk or socialising with friends.

There's little reasonable about it. It's just another example of idiotic American BroScience taken to extremes, with a sideorder of that culture's puritanical ballsology along for the ride(never mind it kicked off from the "red pill" fcukwits) that too many seem to swallow these days.

If someone is pulling the pud outa themselves four times a day to goat porn and their dominant arm looks like popeye's, then yes they have a problem, but this idea that somehow saving up your precious fluids will impact dopamine sensitivity in the brain is more than far fetched(and a pre scientific misconception going back eons, where semen was seen as life giving). Indeed a few studies, actual scientific ones, not some other eejits on the interwebs, have found evidence that regular ejaculation protects the prostate in later life. As Deebles notes for most men not shooting their bolt on the regular the body will clear the tubes itself. Which suggests a bloody good reason for doing so.

Deebles McBeebles

Have you thought about how you will still stop it happening in your sleep, SM? Life always finds a way...

Wibbs

Social Medium wrote: »

You seem perplexed...

... by the utter oddball daftness of it all, yes.

Wibbs

Social Medium wrote: »

If the unthinkable happens and I'm required to have sex I'll pull out before ejaculating. Famous last words!

I don't even...

Feisar

Social Medium wrote: »

I'm going to go full hard mode, also going to have cold showers every morning, reduce phone use, basically anything that releases large amounts of dopamine, with the goal of increasing dopamine sensitivity. My wife is pregnant so she is fine going without sex anyway until after the baby is born which is January. So timing suits me.

Herself is liable to get a severe does of want so I wouldn't count on that.

Apiarist

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

... Iimagine you'll have enough no fap/no sex when your reaching your 40s :P ....

I beg your pardon! 40s is when you no longer give a f&ck, but not in the literal sense!

Reviews and Books Galore

Social Medium wrote: »

I'm going to go full hard mode, also going to have cold showers every morning, reduce phone use, basically anything that releases large amounts of dopamine, with the goal of increasing dopamine sensitivity.

You know, in other cultures sex is seen as life, as fire and not something to be avoided for clear thinking and austere values.

I'm more of this mind imo and I try and enjoy sensuality and sexuality as much as I can and, irregardless, I imagine you'll have enough no fap/no sex when your reaching your 40s :P

I wouldn't waste the best years of your life imo.

Wibbs

victor8600 wrote: »

You may have got carried along a bit too far? "no fap" does not mean "no sex whatsoever".

I suspect V, that for the majority of "no fap" adherents, sex with another human being is not really in play.

Apiarist

Social Medium wrote: »

planning to go for the rest of the year without ejaculating

You may have got carried along a bit too far? "no fap" does not mean "no sex whatsoever".

Wibbs

Social Medium wrote: »

Decided to try semen retention as an experiment to see what affect it has on me.

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[Deleted User]

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

One five hour session a week requires some level of discipline the other six days of the week. Five short sessions a week requires much less discipline relatively.

Discipline only required if there is temptation. Perhaps someone only _wants_ one 5 hour session a week. If so - then no discipline is required at all. In fact the opposite could be true. Perhaps the person with 1 5 hour session actually wants it to be less - but to lack of discipline gets to 5.

The "one size fits all" evaluations go both ways therefore. You could be equally guilty of it here.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

For many it entails keeping secrets from those they are most intimate with.

That is not a problem of porn however. Nothing to do with masturbation or porn at all I would say. If you keep secrets from your partner(s) - and this causes you issues - then that's the problem.

Which kinda plays into what I said in earlier posts that if changing from a relatively small consumption to a relatively smaller one is having _that much_ of an effect - there may be something else in play. And you have give here a pretty damn good example of one possibility of what that something can sometimes be.

As I said in an earlier post on the thread - there is a common tendency to mistake the symptom for the disease.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr.

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure we can say that. If you watch porn once a month that might not sound a lot - but what if that once you are watching it for 5 hours?

Length of session time is part of it, but I tend to think that frequency in terms of days is more significant. One five hour session a week requires some level of discipline the other six days of the week. Five short sessions a week requires much less discipline relatively.

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure that is relevant either. I have two partners in my life. And a family.

As I say, this is not a "one size fits all" dilemma. What works for you may very well not work for me. Reading between the lines it seems like he is unhappy about his porn consumption and there is nothing wrong with that. There will be plenty of men that feel a little uneasy with a compulsive porn habit while they are in a loving relationship, with children of their own. For many it entails keeping secrets from those they are most intimate with. They might also find that there is something impersonal about it, that it has a deteriorating effect on their imagination, or that consumption equates with lack of willpower.

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Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

Well, watching porn five days out of seven is plenty to my mind (not judging though)

Not sure we can say that. If you watch porn once a month that might not sound a lot - but what if that once you are watching it for 5 hours?

You could be watching it 10 times a week however - but 5 minutes each time.

So to my mind we would need to know not just how many times but for how long someone is consuming porn before we could make any kind of evaluation.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

obviously has a partner in his life

Not sure that is relvant either. I have two partners in my life. And a family. I still find occasional time for masturbation and occasionally with porn. Actually we watch porn together too at times which I recommend often to at least trying.

If porn has an effect - I am not convinced it does but if - then I am even less convinced that relationship status will change that effect one way or another.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

Just my opinion of course. Sorry if I came off combative before.

It's the nature of this forum

I would not say either of us have been coming off badly at all

sentient_6

The subreddit for this is an interesting read. It would appear to me to be a way of introducing the perception of discipline and clarity to people's otherwise hollow lives.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr.

My point exactly. And if a relatively tiny change has massive effects then perhaps your body is indeed telling you something interesting.

Well, watching porn five days out of seven is plenty to my mind (not judging though), and he obviously has a partner in his life that he values and is soon to have a family, so cutting that back by even half, to only watching porn once or twice a week, I can see how that would actually be rather significant, and not a "tiny" difference as you suggest. I think one of the issues with compulsive or semi-compulsive porn use is that you essentially become enslaved to a generic, commercial product, and if that makes someone a little unhappy, I think that it may be good for them to try and step away from it. I would tend to see the changes he has made as highly significant.

Just my opinion of course. Sorry if I came off combative before.

wiggle16

Rod Laver wrote: »

I've been doing Nofap for last couple of months, "trying" being the key word. I go on streaks and then occasionally I give in and have a ****. Currently on a 6 day streak. I can definitely notice the benefit when I hit days 7 to 10. Increased energy, better focus, more at ease in the world.

Oh, it's you again.

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Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

I'm not sure how useful your "one size fits all" attempt at diagnosis is. If he feels that fapping to porn 4 or five times a week has a somewhat detrimental effect on his psychological well-being, then good for him

But I very clearly said I am not - and have not the data to be - making any diagnosis at all. So I am not sure to which diagnosis you refer here.

Good for him indeed. All I am saying is that if moving from a relatively small quantity of masturbation to a relatively smaller quantity of it has had that much of an effect - then that is interesting in itself and suggests there is more at work here than merely masturbation or porn.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

Sometimes you have to listen to what your own body and mind is telling you.

My point exactly. And if a relatively tiny change has massive effects then perhaps your body is indeed telling you something interesting.

For example if someone drinking 2 glasses of wine a week notices huge improvements in their general feeling of well being by stopping - then perhaps they have an undiagnosed allergy to wine. Because _generally_ two glasses of wine do not have such a profound effect on individuals.

Similarly if masturbating a mere 4 or 5 times is causing a noticeable and significant dip in energy motivation mood or other factors - I would suspect there _may_ be more going on there than we think that is worthy of exploration.

One of the issues with the NoFap movement I find however is that testimonials of such outliers are being used to suggest that everyone is likely to benefit from the same abstinence. And I see no actual evidence outside cherry picked anecdote to recommend that at all.