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largepants

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Kildare - when he showed the picture of Dubs fans in Clane he spoke of the 'once proud white jersey' - 'that is what we are up against etc'
It was pointed out to him that in Kildare's glory years in the 90's Kildare had five non-kildare born players playing for Kildare - poached from other counties. And that Kildare let anyone wear the white jersey he went quiet.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/imports-are-making-the-natives-restless-in-kildare-26195208.html

Nicely worded. Who were the five by the way?

You can't really pontificate about poaching now can you.

MayoAreMagic

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Between 96 and 2011 dubs played most games at Croke Park , population was big but weren’t winning all Ireland’s . No calls for dubs to be split then. Now People don’t like the fact that their team not winning and even worse the big bad dubs are winning. Same people of course who thought Kerry Kilkenny dominating was great even though they are not even from Kerry or Kilkenny

Yes exactly, exactly... Because unlike you lads, the rest of us dont mind if you have a few things in your favour, if that is what it takes for you to be in the shakeup and ultimatley making the game better then fine by us. The fact that it is gone too far that way and so needs recalibrating is obvious. However, unlike the rest of us, you have no interest in making the game better. The greater good doesnt feature on your radar. If the rest of the country had taken the attitude towards dublin that Dublin are displaying now, there would have been no extra money directed to dublin and no taxpayers money either. Dublin would have been left to their own devices and anyone querying it would have got the same sort of, frankly, self centred, small time attitude that you have just displayed.

Even now, it is only suggested that you split once. Both teams would still have 6 odd times the average population each, and both get to play in cp, so still loaded up with advantages. It is actually a sweet deal for dublin truth be told, but then, the rest of us dont mind that, as long as the thing is competitive, unlike yourselves.

Also, does it not stick in your neck a bit, that you can only beat kerry with 11 times their population and 17 times their funding? I dont mean that in a smart way, it is a genuine question. There must be dubs out there whose pride take a bashing at that and who cringe a bit when people talk about matching kerry.

odyssey06

harpsman wrote: »

I've already given an example of a territorial based sport where territories have split/formed a second team. 2 actually-gaelic football and hurling.

You were asked to provide an example of: "Where a territorial based sport (not a club sport) compelled one of its territory based associations to split."

Name the sport and territorial based team that was forced to split by their association. Clubs don't count for obvious reasons as they do not represent a defined geographical area.
Nor do development teams such as Fingal hurlers as they were setup voluntarily by the county board.

Fann Linn

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Yes exactly, exactly... Because unlike you lads, the rest of us dont mind if you have a few things in your favour, if that is what it takes for you to be in the shakeup and ultimatley making the game better then fine by us. The fact that it is gone too far that way and so needs recalibrating is obvious. However, unlike the rest of us, you have no interest in making the game better. The greater good doesnt feature on your radar. If the rest of the country had taken the attitude towards dublin that Dublin are displaying now, there would have been no extra money directed to dublin and no taxpayers money either. Dublin would have been left to their own devices and anyone querying it would have got the same sort of, frankly, self centred, small time attitude that you have just displayed.

Even now, it is only suggested that you split once. Both teams would still have 6 odd times the average population each, and both get to play in cp, so still loaded up with advantages. It is actually a sweet deal for dublin truth be told, but then, the rest of us dont mind that, as long as the thing is competitive, unlike yourselves.

Also, does it not stick in your neck a bit, that you can only beat kerry with 11 times their population and 17 times their funding? I dont mean that in a smart way, it is a genuine question. There must be dubs out there whose pride take a bashing at that and who cringe a bit when people talk about matching kerry.

Have ye wrote the motion to Congress yet?

MayoAreMagic

Martina1991 wrote: »

All id like to see is full transparency. From every county. How much are they getting. Where is the money coming from. What facilities do they have. Who is in their back room team. Are they getting paid.

It does make you wonder what they are actually spending it on. Like they have no fixed costs. Hotels and food are sponsored for them and they dont have to travel. Yet, they are the top spenders per game every year without fail. Mayo who have massive fixed costs and treat their teams relatively well, had to play almost double the number of games as they did before they managed to spend slightly more than them. Truely, I cant figure out what they spend it on.

Fann Linn

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

It does make you wonder what they are actually spending it on. Like they have no fixed costs. Hotels and food are sponsored for them and they dont have to travel. Yet, they are the top spenders per game every year without fail. Mayo who have massive fixed costs and treat their teams relatively well, had to play almost double the number of games as they did before they managed to spend slightly more than them. Truely, I cant figure out what they spend it on.

Any links for all those sponsored hotel gigs plus the royalties for Aslan etc?

doc_17

Dublin were training down the country in the last few weeks. They had 2 coaches, an artic lorry and 4 jeeps with them. Takes some money to keep that show on the road.

Fann Linn

doc_17 wrote: »

Dublin were training down the country in the last few weeks. They had 2 coaches, an artic lorry and 4 jeeps with them. Takes some money to keep that show on the road.

People can say anything on the internet. I saw Mayo train with 4 coaches, 2 artic and 6 jeeps.

[Deleted User]

Bonniedog wrote: »

You would think Sunday never happened reading some of this OCD stuff.

The result of one game is irrelevant. Dublin's disgraceful advantages will need to be addressed regardless.

blanch152 wrote: »

A reorganisation of county football to ensure competitiveness is possible, but it would involve splitting Kerry as well as Dublin and amalgamating many other counties. On one of these threads, I have previously suggested how this could be done. It is not just Dub fans who have rejected your ideas, but also there have been many constructive proposals based in reality from Dublin fans.

Kerry don't have any unfair advantages- Dublin have many. Dublin need to be split because of their unfair advantages, not just because they are winning.

The rest of your long winded, wordy post is mind-numbing drivel.

The split is actually between Dublin fans who can't even accept they are unfairly advantaged despite all the evidence to the contrary, and GAA fans who can see things in an unbiased way and accept Dublin have many unfair advantages.

I agree there is no consensus about the best way to deal with the Dublin problem but I am personally in favour of splitting Dublin for the reasons I have already given.

Deleted User wrote: »

Money: The central funding argument may hold some merit, but I've never seen a proper breakdown of this funding and what it goes towards......Just people screaming €17 million!!!! but anyway, what do you want them to do with all the extra sponsorship money? Turn it down? Split it with the rest of the county boards? What about all the other perks they and other counties receive....weren't Kepak giving the Meath players lorryloads of fillet steak in the late 90s......should thhey have been sharing with the rest of the class?

It should be split with the other county boards, yes. The point about Meath and Kepak is comically bad.

Deleted User wrote: »

Population: How do you propose this is negated? By splitting Dublin up? Why not amalgamate other counties into super-teams and reduce the number of teams in each championship to, say, 16?

I propose to negate the population advantage by splitting Dublin.

Deleted User wrote: »

There's a whole load of whinging going on but no real solutions being proposed by anyone other than "split them up". You only have to look at the opposition to merging other counties to realise how much of a non-starter this is.

Splitting them is an excellent solution- glad you accept it is a "real solution" in your post.

The problem is Dubs have their head in the sand and after all the evidence put to them, still refuse to even accept they have unfair advantages, never mind that these need to be counteracted.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

All very cogent points you put there no matter which side of the argument people are on. They cannot be refuted.

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They've been refuted many times. Very comprehensively too.

FionnK86

And would you split Dublin in 4 when north & south side teams dominate the championship?

As matter of interest was there every any debate about splitting Kerry during there previous years of dominance?

[Deleted User]

FionnK86 wrote: »

And would you split Dublin in 4 when north & south side teams dominate the championship?

As matter of interest was there every any debate about splitting Kerry during there previous years of dominance?

Oh, I'm in favour of splitting them into four from the off.

Kerry didn't have any unfair population advantages, home pitch advantages, financial doping. Dublin have all those things.

It's the unfair advantages they have that are the problem, not just the end results.

Bonniedog

omega man wrote: »

But those Kerry and Kilkenny teams were naturally gifted with an abundance of talent whilst our lads (since 2011) are just genetically enhanced athletes doped up on cash...

Doped up on cash do you say?

More like hepped up on goofballs. Did you not see Jack leg it down to tunnel so he could get to the five Lamps and score some marching powder for the boys for second half?

Usually they'd have some in the doctor's bag

gormdubhgorm

largepants wrote: »

Nicely worded. Who were the five by the way?

You can't really pontificate about poaching now can you.

The five in the 90's are listed in the article below.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/imports-are-making-the-natives-restless-in-kildare-26195208.html

My point in it was that McKenna was painting Kildare as whiter than white (excuse the pun) - as the victims Dubs fans with flags in a Clane pub etc.

But in reality they are not victims. Of call counties Kildare has a history of making teams from other counties endeavors. To do this they got a high profile manager from another county to bring these players in. It was done to an excessive level.
It was definitely going against the nature and intent of the GAA and in an underhanded/shadowy manner that caused a lot of disquiet. As a consequence it then led to the dominance of kildare in leinster for a short period and being a strong competitor outside leinster.

It was not the last time Kildare cynically worked around the rules of the gaa to get a player.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kildare-hurling-chief-lashes-transfer-farce-26872450.html

Seanie became the most high profile 'hurler' in Kildare for his minute on the pitch so he could get around the transfer rules.

If Dublin behaved in such an aggressive, shameless and blatant manner to get around GAA rules there would be uproar.

nf2k

Great to see Kerry do well. I don't like seeing Dublin dominating but if we have finals as close as this then I'm pretty content. The only problem is that they beat all round them before the final and that doesn't work well in a championship format. Perhaps extend the round robin in some way to make sure we don't see Longford or Westmeath going out in the first round because of a Dublin draw.

aodomhnaill

nf2k wrote: »

Great to see Kerry do well. I don't like seeing Dublin dominating but if we have finals as close as this then I'm pretty content. The only problem is that they beat all round them before the final and that doesn't work well in a championship format. Perhaps extend the round robin in some way to make sure we don't see Longford or Westmeath going out in the first round because of a Dublin draw.

It's impossible to make the round robin system fair. Look at Mayo, a team that lost two games in the Championship yet made a semi-final in the same Championship and were thoroughly found out and humiliated. Any championship tournament structure that has a team that loses twice and makes a semi-final is hugely flawed.

gormdubhgorm

gaffer91 wrote: »

The result of one game is irrelevant. .
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Ok the result of one game is not enough for you.

What about these other ones? -

Hurling -

No league since 2011- no leinster since 2013 (even a final).
Beaten by Laois this year!

Football League -

Dublin beaten by Monaghan, Tyrone and Kerry. Lucky to win v the Rossies

Underage football -

U20 beaten by Cork this year

Minor beaten by Kildare in Leinster and hammered by Mayo in the QF this year.

No minor since 2012 no u20/u21 win for two years

Club football -

Dublin football champs beaten by -
St Brigids rosscommon 2013
Corofin Galway 2015
Rathnew Wicklow 2017
Mullinalaghta Longford this year

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Also if you watch the games dublin played this year in the championship this are clearly creaking Cork (former div3) should of had a few goals more against Dublin.

Mayo would have beaten Dublin if they had a few top forwards like Kerry - it took Dublin to play at thier optimum to beat Mayo in an incredible 15/20 spell.
Dublin looked very vunerable during periods of the game.

Even former div2 side Meath showed how Dublin could be contained they just did not have the forwards to finish the other half of the job and keep it going.

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All of the above poke serious holes in the argument that finances = success in the gaa.
I would understand if it was soccer where players can be transferred left right and centre for 100's of millions - but these are amateur with jobs and families.

It is talented players, management skills, hard work and mental strength (as proven sunday and in many finals) these are the key to Dublin team without those they would be nothing.
It cannot be brought it is priceless.
These are GAA people who are striving for excellence to be as good as they can be.
As a GAA fan, Irish person and not just a Dub, I feel blessed to be alive to see it.

gormdubhgorm

nf2k wrote: »

Great to see Kerry do well. I don't like seeing Dublin dominating but if we have finals as close as this then I'm pretty content. The only problem is that they beat all round them before the final and that doesn't work well in a championship format. Perhaps extend the round robin in some way to make sure we don't see Longford or Westmeath going out in the first round because of a Dublin draw.

I agree with you the format is terrible, people like to see teams of equal level compete in a championship more often.
But the traditionalists have to be nudged along, by the likes of the Super 8's until we eventually get real home and away groups and proper tiered championship.

odyssey06

gaffer91 wrote: »

Oh, I'm in favour of splitting them into four from the off.
Kerry didn't have any unfair population advantages, home pitch advantages, financial doping. Dublin have all those things.
It's the unfair advantages they have that are the problem, not just the end results.

Dublin has advantages and disadvantages. Vast numbers of people with no knowledge or natural affinity to GAA, or Dublin GAA if resident in Dublin but supporting other counties.
The heartland of Irish soccer and rugby.
The cost of facilities provision, buying pitches far far higher in Dublin.

Other counties have their own pluses and minuses eg GAA being the natural first choice.
That doesnt make them unfair.

There is no financial doping in GAA. The term has been transplanted from soccer and stripped of all meaning. None of what Dublin has done is financial doping in this or any other sport.

Talk of splitting is fantasy stuff. Dublin will never allow themselves to be compelled to be split by the GAA. They would challenge such a malicious act to the courts and win.

MayoAreMagic

FionnK86 wrote: »

And would you split Dublin in 4 when north & south side teams dominate the championship?

As matter of interest was there every any debate about splitting Kerry during there previous years of dominance?

In reality, if one of them was winning all around them at some stage with endless new players coming out, like now, then potentially, but I think that other teams should be able to put it up to them from that point so you shouldnt need to. It is all about balance.

Do you genuinely not see how what kerry did is very different? Can you not see how when they have an average population, that means that most of us had the same resources as kerry, but they just did it better? That is the difference. We could have done the same as them. But what other county can get 17 million, pick from 1.5 million people and not pay maintenance on or have to update a stadium? It is physically impossible to roll out the 'dublin system' anywhere else. The kerry one can be rolled out in a lot if places if they just put in the effort.

[Deleted User]

@gormdubhgorm- all of this nonsense has already been dealt with earlier in this thread- why not just go back and read the replies? But to humour you, and educate you, I'm happy to reply one more time

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Hurling -

No league since 2011- no leinster since 2013 (even a final).
Beaten by Laois this year!

Already debunked. They beat Galway this year as well- stop cherrypicking games. Dublin hurling is coming from a much lower base than the footballers, as has been explained to you already- have a read back to help understand this.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Football League -

Dublin beaten by Monaghan, Tyrone and Kerry. Lucky to win v the Rossies

The league, right. Dublin have won 4 All-Ireland's on the trot and you're trying to argue their senior inter-county team isn't dominant. Madness.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Underage football -

U20 beaten by Cork this year

Minor beaten by Kildare in Leinster and hammered by Mayo in the QF this year.

No minor since 2012 no u20/u21 win for two years

.

You made this argument earlier in the thread and it's already been debunked as well- have a read back. Dublin have won much more underage titles than before the funding started.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Club football -

Dublin football champs beaten by -
St Brigids rosscommon 2013
Corofin Galway 2015
Rathnew Wicklow 2017
Mullinalaghta Longford this year

Club football is different than inter-county, granted, but Dublin have still been more competitive and won more titles since the financial doping started in the mid-2000s than in the years before.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Also if you watch the games dublin played this year in the championship this are clearly creaking Cork (former div3) should of had a few goals more against Dublin.

Mayo would have beaten Dublin if they had a few top forwards like Kerry - it took Dublin to play at thier optimum to beat Mayo in an incredible 15/20 spell.
Dublin looked very vunerable during periods of the game.

Even former div2 side Meath showed how Dublin could be contained they just did not have the forwards to finish the other half of the job and keep it going.

Dublin hammered Cork by 13 points, Mayo by 12 and Meath by 17- and you're using these games as an argument of competitiveness? Hilarious.

Being an utterly dominant team doesn't mean you have do dominate every minute of every game.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

All of the above poke serious holes in the argument that finances = success in the gaa.
I would understand if it was soccer where players can be transferred left right and centre for 100's of millions - but these are amateur with jobs and families.

Money matters in sport in terms of achieving success- it's actually incredible that I even have to argue this in the 21st century.

There are countless examples, in every sport, including the GAA where this is true.

What you've done is cherry picked some examples that don't even stand up to the most basic scrutiny and tried to argue this means Dublin aren't unfairly advantaged- it's a pathetically weak argument.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is talented players, management skills, hard work and mental strength (as proven sunday and in many finals) these are the key to Dublin team without those they would be nothing.
It cannot be brought it is priceless.
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It is talented players, hard work, population advantages, financial doping and playing at home that are the keys to Dublin success.

Their success can be bought, it has been.

Even PED users have to work hard at the gym, in their chosen field etc- obviously I wouldn't accuse Dublin of using PEDs but their financial doping follows the same principle. The players still work hard but they are absolutely blessed with the money.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

As a GAA fan, Irish person and not just a Dub, I feel blessed to be alive to see it.

You only feel blessed as a Dub because as your posts have shown, you are incredibly biased and blinkered. If it was any other county achieving this current level of success you would be absolutely disgusted because you are so pro-Dublin and anti every other county (if you weren't you would recognise the unfair advantages and want them equalised), even if they did it without the financial doping that Dublin have availed of.

As an Irish person and purported GAA fan, you should be disgusted at how the inter-county game of this great sport is being ruined by Dublin and their financial doping.

See how easy it was to put your tired arguments to bed once again? Please read this and reflect for once, don't just wade in with the same old debunked nonsense. I shouldn't even have to write this lengthy post because it's all already been explained on this thread, to you personally, you just choose not to comprehend it.

salmocab

People arguing one side and saying that something is debunked or as one poster liked to say knocked out of the park really aren’t making the strong point they think they are, it’s like saying in the middle of an argument that the stance is unarguable despite the fact that people are actually arguing it. You haven’t won a debate because you decide you won.

Bonniedog

You have to love people who earnestly insist they would never accuse Dublin of using PEDs but just mention them anyway!

odyssey06

If Dublins population gives it an unfair advantage it means that the fundamental basis for the inter county game has been unfair from the get go, as there has always been large differences in population size.
If its unfair that Dublin have so many ppl, it would have to be unfair that Leitrim have so few.

Alternative view. It is not unfair as the counties were not put together like gerrymandered constituencies with the intention of deliberately benefitting some counties over others at sports.
And the GAA was formed by the counties freely agreeing to play on that basis.

Dublins population growth is not unfair. It is a societal change that has nothing to do with the GAA. Ditto for players commuting from Dublin to train. It is not a law passed by Dublin GAA for Dublin GAA.

largepants

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The five in the 90's are listed in the article below.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/imports-are-making-the-natives-restless-in-kildare-26195208.html

My point in it was that McKenna was painting Kildare as whiter than white (excuse the pun) - as the victims Dubs fans with flags in a Clane pub etc.

But in reality they are not victims. Of call counties Kildare has a history of making teams from other counties endeavors. To do this they got a high profile manager from another county to bring these players in. It was done to an excessive level.
It was definitely going against the nature and intent of the GAA and in an underhanded/shadowy manner that caused a lot of disquiet. As a consequence it then led to the dominance of kildare in leinster for a short period and being a strong competitor outside leinster.

It was not the last time Kildare cynically worked around the rules of the gaa to get a player.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kildare-hurling-chief-lashes-transfer-farce-26872450.html

Seanie became the most high profile 'hurler' in Kildare for his minute on the pitch so he could get around the transfer rules.

If Dublin behaved in such an aggressive, shameless and blatant manner to get around GAA rules there would be uproar.

Yea Keane and Cahill were heavily involved in Kildares glory years as you suggested. ðŸ™„

I've previously named several players from other counties who have played with Dublin. But maybe you couldn't make out the writing from that far up on your high horse.

Its only recently where some of your u21 panel was made up of players from Meath and Kildare players. Its might be hard to remember that from that gigantic pulpit.

And for the record there was uproar over the Johnson saga. And rightly so.

And Dublin have behaved in a disgraceful and aggressive manner too. Have you forgotten bite-gate and gouge-gate. Or was that all made too?

[Deleted User]

salmocab wrote: »

People arguing one side and saying that something is debunked or as one poster liked to say knocked out of the park really aren’t making the strong point they think they are, it’s like saying in the middle of an argument that the stance is unarguable despite the fact that people are actually arguing it. You haven’t won a debate because you decide you won.

It has been debunked though. Some guy was putting charts together earlier in this thread in response to gormdubhgorm posts and the stats are there for all to see.

Bonniedog wrote: »

You have to love people who earnestly insist they would never accuse Dublin of using PEDs but just mention them anyway!

You know, you're the only poster I know who consistently puts Dublin and PEDs together, it's very strange.

I have never accused Dublin of using PEDs because I don't think they are. Nor has any other neutral poster on this thread (or "anti-Dublin" poster as you might prefer to style them).

odyssey06 wrote: »

If Dublins population gives it an unfair advantage it means that the fundamental basis for the inter county game has been unfair from the get go, as there has always been large differences in population size.
If its unfair that Dublin have so many ppl, it would have to be unfair that Leitrim have so few.

Alternative view. It is not unfair as the counties were not put together like gerrymandered constituencies with the intention of deliberately benefitting some counties over others at sports.
And the GAA was formed by the counties freely agreeing to play on that basis.

Dublins population growth is not unfair. It is a societal change that has nothing to do with the GAA. Ditto for players commuting from Dublin to train. It is not a law passed by Dublin GAA for Dublin GAA.

The population advantage has been unfair from the get-go. Just because they haven't historically taken full advantage doesn't mean it wasn't always unfair. It's got much worse over the years, Cork actually had a bigger population than Dublin when the GAA was founded.

Again, there's no point going around in this endless quote war style debates.

The facts are that Dublin have unfair population, funding and other advantages and this helps to win games and titles unfairly. That's all there is to this "debate".

odyssey06

gaffer91 wrote: »

The population advantage has been unfair from the get-go. Just because they haven't historically taken full advantage doesn't mean it wasn't always unfair. It's got much worse over the years, Cork actually had a bigger population than Dublin when the GAA was founded.
Again, there's no point going around in this endless quote war style debates.
The facts are that Dublin have unfair population, funding and other advantages and this helps to win games and titles unfairly. That's all there is to this "debate".

Those arent facts. Dublins population is a fact. Its not possible for a fact to be fair or unfair.

Either Dublins population advantage is unfair and so are all the other population gaps between counties; or there is no unfairness to the differences in population.

Dublin's titles have come about through a process that is as fair as every other GAA title that has been won, and as deserved.

aodomhnaill

Population Vs Registered Players

Not sure why this is so hard for every other county to understand.

Strumms

gaffer91 wrote: »

There are many unfair advantages and they've been detailed in this thread (and others) in some detail. I'm actually amazed somehow could be so blinkered as to not see them? They include funding, population, home stadium advantage among others.

The players are talented, but the money helps to find and develop them significantly more than would otherwise be possible.

Money matters in sport.

Population?

So if Cork play Louth they have an unfair advantage !

Funding ?

Any funding they have has to be spread incredibly thinly so much that population is a disadvantage.

Home stadium ?

It’s a facility that is able to facilitate the demand for tickets from supporters of them and the opposition. If It was in Cork would you be bemoaning them having it on their doorstep ? Has to be somewhere unless you can design a mobile stadium:eek:

What helps develop players up through the ages ?

Amateur volunteer coaches
Amateur but well run clubs
Parents (professional and full time)

MayoAreMagic

aodomhnaill wrote: »

Population Vs Registered Players

Not sure why this is so hard for every other county to understand.

Because population is potential playing numbers. Just because a county is doing a relatively poor job of getting people to play, doesnt mean that will always be so, nor is it anybody elses fault but their own that these people do not play.
That is why the numbers used should be the total population

Fann Linn

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Because population is potential playing numbers. Just because a county is doing a relatively poor job of getting people to play, doesnt mean that will always be so, nor is it anybody elses fault but their own that these people do not play.
That is why the numbers used should be the total population

Grand theory that. We've less than 200 in our golf club but the county has a population of almost 200,000.

I must use your logic at our next AGM.