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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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questionmark?

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Residents-group-say-they-will-strongly-oppose-the-planned-new-South-Link-apartment-development-f934b963-4705-4364-87b5-dd7b419e5f32-ds?fbclid=IwAR3V37sPWv5giR8QDu3tBcthUk4WAiC7wlJ1M0TlwgS-C5-nP_YL6Y3HCQc

Residents don't like the Railway Garden plans.

we believe this proposal, in its scale and density, would be disastrous to the existing residents of the area, many of the residents who would be housed in the development and to the wider city in the long term. The residents said the decision to provide no parking for residents of the 118-apartment tower was “baffling and unrealistic.

TheChizler

Sounds like they're imagining themselves in the apartments without access to parking rather than someone who doesn't own or need a car. Must read the submission, but what negative effect could a carless development have on the local residential area? Bigger queues for the bus to Mahon?

I'll be one of those residents in a few weeks and I'm all for it.

vinnie_cork

Passed a house on Wilton road after work that had over 100 people queuing out the door. Found the daft ad online. €210 a week for a room without an en-suite in a house share with 4 others and parking for 2 cars max. Bus stop out side and ad promoted this bus stop and fact it was walking distance to CUH and UCC.
That Railway Gardens development will clean that area up. Currently that bridge is a no go area with the winos drinking at the start of it. Rockboro Rd also feels unsafe.
I just bought few hundred meters of this site and would welcome it.
Not everyone has a car nor want a car. The area is pay parking and residents of this development or any other apartment are not entitled to residents parking permits so with proper parking enforcement this is a none issue. The residents against should petition their reps to enforce parking bylaws. I heard it mentioned main petitioner was an East Cork living artist ðŸ™„.

Flesh Gorden

vinnie_cork wrote: »

I heard it mentioned main petitioner was an East Cork living artist ��.

That's probably the same Gobshlte objecting to the 34 floor tower. Maybe it ruins his vibes or his chakra.

The simple question for objectors is we either build up or we build out and make the same mistake as Dublin.

okedoke

TheChizler wrote: »

Sounds like they're imagining themselves in the apartments without access to parking rather than someone who doesn't own or need a car. Must read the submission, but what negative effect could a carless development have on the local residential area? Bigger queues for the bus to Mahon?

I'll be one of those residents in a few weeks and I'm all for it.

parking presumably. Not all residents will be carless

vinnie_cork

okedoke wrote: »

parking presumably. Not all residents will be carless

Apartment residents don’t get parking permits for street parking. Anyone whom chooses to live here will do do know there is zero car parking with it. People talk about the Elysian as an example. That was built with 1 parking space per apartment. So if 3 people are sharing a 3 bed unit then only one gets parking. People are obsessed with cars. If someone wants to live in a city center and walk to work then that’s their choice. If they have a car then move to Ballincollig or Midleton or suburbia and commute into city to pay up their car in a pay parking lot.

namloc1980

There are some absolute cretins out there.

TheChizler

okedoke wrote: »

parking presumably. Not all residents will be carless

Maybe some would be silly enough to own a car when they can't possibly get a permit, might be naive and think they could get away with it in the evenings.

vinnie_cork

TheChizler wrote: »

Maybe some would be silly enough to own a car when they can't possibly get a permit, might be naive and think they could get away with it in the evenings.

Then residents should be lobbying their council reps to have proper parking enforcement. That would solve that.

TheChizler

vinnie_cork wrote: »

Then residents should be lobbying their council reps to have proper parking enforcement. That would solve that.

Turkeys voting for Christmas?

Roger Hassenforder

namloc1980 wrote: »

There are some absolute cretins out there.

What the fcuk

Burty330

Appalling set of excuses laid out by people who should be ashamed of themselves. Blocks like these are incentives to not have a car which will then reduce traffic , not increase it. Such housing blocks should have went up 10 years ago , if they did we may not be in this mess.

Dublin produces some of the worst traffic congestion in Europe for choosing to not erect essential tower blocks like the one proposed for south link. Their problems will soon be ours if we listen to people who only care about themselves and couldn't give a rats ass about the future development of cork.

Trust me , young professionals do not want to exist in house share with 3 others sharing one chitter. The housing scene is an absolute nightmarish hellscape at the moment , and unless such blocks are passed and erected , it will only get worse , Dublin worse. Not of us want that.

j8wk2feszrnpao

MrDerp wrote: »

As for the ratty old sign? Iconic me arse.

Passed it today, ratty old sign describes it perfectly. It isn’t iconic at all. Oliver and the Greens can store in their back garden if they value it so much, it wouldn’t be missed.

rino87

Burty330 wrote: »

Appalling set of excuses laid out by people who should be ashamed of themselves. Blocks like these are incentives to not have a car which will then reduce traffic , not increase it. Such housing blocks should have went up 10 years ago , if they did we may not be in this mess.

Dublin produces some of the worst traffic congestion in Europe for choosing to not erect essential tower blocks like the one proposed for south link. Their problems will soon be ours if we listen to people who only care about themselves and couldn't give a rats ass about the future development of cork.

Trust me , young professionals do not want to exist in house share with 3 others sharing one chitter. The housing scene is an absolute nightmarish hellscape at the moment , and unless such blocks are passed and erected , it will only get worse , Dublin worse. Not of us want that.

but, but, my car... there's hills, and sometimes rain, and i'm too lazy to take my gym gear out of my car....
Plus i need my car so I can have something to show the neighbors that I have made it, by having a piece of plastic on the front with a later number than theirs, and I need a front lawn, so I can have a better lawnmower than theirs AND greener grass, plus my lawn and new car provide great chit chat at the watercooler....

mrpdap

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Passed it today, ratty old sign describes it perfectly. It isn’t iconic at all. Oliver and the Greens can store in their back garden if they value it so much, it wouldn’t be missed.

Great sign, marks the entrance to Cork city.

SteelyDanJalapeno

vinnie_cork wrote: »

Apartment residents don’t get parking permits for street parking. Anyone whom chooses to live here will do do know there is zero car parking with it. People talk about the Elysian as an example. That was built with 1 parking space per apartment. So if 3 people are sharing a 3 bed unit then only one gets parking. People are obsessed with cars. If someone wants to live in a city center and walk to work then that’s their choice. If they have a car then move to Ballincollig or Midleton or suburbia and commute into city to pay up their car in a pay parking lot.

I've lived in 2 apartments in the Elysian, a 2 bed and a 1 bed, and both had 2 spaces per apartment.

the beer revolu

mrpdap wrote: »

Great sign, marks the entrance to Cork city.

I like that sign too.
However having that simple opinion would seem to mark me as anti progress, anti building upwards and a general eejit!

We aren't allowed to like that sign.

Thing is, I wouldn't hold up development over this sign but I don't see why it can't be preserved.
I also see no reason to not ensure that there will be public access in the future.
True, there was no access previously but why not ensure that there is, in the future?

Every request and question of the plans is not, in itself, anti progress.

mrpdap

the beer revolu wrote: »

I like that sign too.
However having that simple opinion would seem to mark me as anti progress, anti building upwards and a general eejit!

We aren't allowed to like that sign.

Thing is, I wouldn't hold up development over this sign but I don't see why it can't be preserved.
I also see no reason to not ensure that there will be public access in the future.
True, there was no access previously but why not ensure that there is, in the future.

Every request and question of the plans is not, in itself, anti progress.

Spot on, well said.

bingo9999

mrpdap wrote: »

Spot on, well said.

Agree with this. I do think this sentiment comes from a lot of recent history in Cork with developments that have stumbled at the last minute for various reasons, particularly the event centre. I think everyone wants to see things just happen, and does want some little condition or fight to draw things out, complicate them and, potentially, though unlikely as it may be, see more developments fall down in Cork. Any news that isnt a step forward is unfortunately a worry in the long suffering hearts of Corkonians. Customs House is as big a development as has been offered since Atlantic Quarter a decade ago.

I am fine with the sign, liked it as a kid but it needs a major clean up/ revamp if its to stay. I would be just as happy to see something else thats similar like 'Welcome to Cork city' there instead.

TBH I have a bigger issue with the flat front of the proposed design, compared to the triangular design of the original draft proposal, and that weird conservatory at the front of the bonded warehouse, if I had free reign to get out the red pen those are things I would like to change.

snotboogie

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-is-a-blank-canvas-for-tall-buildings-say-developers-of-New-York-skyscrapers-0db8d425-a175-4130-bf24-51b980e1bcd7-ds

These developments really are bizarre, I suppose it's good that they are still courting media attention but bad there is no mention of a start date for the Prism.

[Deleted User]

If I were them I would look to save on economies of scale by building both, in tandem.

j8wk2feszrnpao

bingo9999 wrote: »

Agree with this. I do think this sentiment comes from a lot of recent history in Cork with developments that have stumbled at the last minute for various reasons, particularly the event centre. I think everyone wants to see things just happen, and does want some little condition or fight to draw things out, complicate them and, potentially, though unlikely as it may be, see more developments fall down in Cork. Any news that isnt a step forward is unfortunately a worry in the long suffering hearts of Corkonians.

Just speaking myself, that isn't the case, nothing to do with any stalled developments, or relating it to anti-progress (some easily dented ego's are about).
It's just a sign, with Port of Cork on it. The OTT sentimentally of it is what I refer to. If it was gone tomorrow, I doubt many would notice, even more wouldn't care (like the port itself going).

[Deleted User]

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Just speaking myself, that isn't the case, nothing to do with any stalled developments, or relating it to anti-progress (some easily dented ego's are about).
It's just a sign, with Port of Cork on it. The OTT sentimentally of it is what I refer to. If it was gone tomorrow, I doubt many would notice, even more wouldn't care (like the port itself going).

Hold the fvck on: Is this the crappy sign you are talking about? A few scaffold poles and small plain sign?

If so... Oh FFS

Tomtom364

Deleted User wrote: »

If I were them I would look to save on economies of scale by building both, in tandem.

Ultimately wouldn't be much of a saving in comparison to the cost of the projects.

Port of Cork site will probably be used to provide a site office compound, parking and storage for the Prism, can even take its bulk deliveries there. And that same compound can then be used for Custom tower. But other then that they are very different developments so there wouldn't be much cross over of resources.

The tendering for Prism was ment to be out recently but dosnt seem to have been sent out yet.

the beer revolu

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hold the fvck on: Is this the crappy sign you are talking about? A few scaffold poles and small plain sign?

If so... Oh FFS

Yes, that's the sign.
No one except people on here like you are making a big deal of this. Just some people expressing the view that they would like it to stay.
I like it.
It's historic.
I'd like to see it stay.
Does that really upset you so much?

vinnie_cork

the beer revolu wrote: »

It's historic.

What year was it put there? 1960? Historic or 1800s historic :rolleyes:.... Its no Hollywood sign....

the beer revolu

vinnie_cork wrote: »

What year was it put there? 1960? Historic or 1800s historic :rolleyes:.... Its no Hollywood sign....

It's there as long as I can remember.
Historic enough for me.

the dark phantom

For years one of the letters was not even displayed on the sign.

Markcheese

vinnie_cork wrote: »

What year was it put there? 1960? Historic or 1800s historic :rolleyes:.... Its no Hollywood sign....

Actually the Hollywood sign is a decent analogy,
Its relatively recent, not of any amazing construction, people (when they notice it) kinda like it, it's a minor local landmark...

350125GO!

vinnie_cork wrote: »

What year was it put there? 1960? Historic or 1800s historic :rolleyes:.... Its no Hollywood sign....

That version of the sign (blue background with four flagpoles) is early-mid 2000's (about the time of city of culture maybe?)

I remember a different one (white background) looking older and quite shabby before replacement. EDIT: In fact I don't think the previous one even said "Port of Cork" I think it said "CORK PORT".