mad muffin wrote: » I don’t believe in human accelerated climate change. I’m sure the earth is going through a climate change. It’s gone through it before and it will keep going through it the earth isn’t static, nor does it exist In a vacuum.I just look to see what the rich are doing. Normally they’ll be clued in well before us plebs. And by the looks,of it it’s business as usual for the rich. Still got their fleet of cars. Still got their mansions around the world. Still got their private jets. Just recently the Obama’s bought a beach side mansion for $15 million. Can’t see anyone concerned with rising sea levels going to buy a beach side mansion.
Pa ElGrande wrote: » As expected. Any comments on Naomi Klein and her agreeing this is not about climate change?
Stevieluvsye wrote: » Do you or would you vote Green papa grande?
Matt Barrett wrote: » And what if ignoring it makes them richer than acting on it? Have no doubt the top folk will remain on top switching from oil when it runs out to likely water but we'll be f***ed by then.
mad muffin wrote: » I don’t think they are. They don’t spare a second telling us how we’re ****ed if we don’t act. As they get into their v8 powered luxobarge on their way to their private jet, flying to their luxury mansion in the Bahamas.
Matt Barrett wrote: » So you'll only take environmental advice from someone who lives in the woods? Fair enough, stick with the oil tycoons and billionaires, they've your best interests at heart
mad muffin wrote: » Oh they already have their snouts in the troughs of the new green deals.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » That homeless guy at Dail Eireann didn't need to be homeless. Us urban gentry dandies certainly don't view rural Ireland as Wilderness, there is no wilderness in Ireland. It's just one off housing and cows and polluted rivers. This series of tweets sums up how you guys f*cked up the whole countrysidehttps://twitter.com/collbradan/status/1166416101997273089
Matt Barrett wrote: » Sorry, was taking you serious. My bad.
Dr. Bre wrote: » Overpopulation is the elephant in the room. Nobody wants to talk about it. How do we decrease it? World wars use to but none recently .
Thelonious Monk wrote: » No the countryside isn't turning into that, beef and dairy is growing, more and more cattle, no one seems to want to put a limit on numbers. So it's going to get more polluted, and there's going to be less wildlife, and yes maybe the odd turbine and coniferous forest thrown in for good measure. I don't really care at this stage, Ireland is a lost cause environmentally, but I wish people wouldn't try and say otherwise.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Ok can you just tell me if we should limit the amount of cattle on the island? I think it's 9 million now. How many do you think is too many?
On the beef front, some 61% of beef farmers did not make a profit before EU subsidies, according to the report findings.source
Uniquely among developed countries, New Zealand farmers are almost totally exposed to world market forces. They receive no subsidies from government and have to compete with subsidised production from other producing countries.source
Pa ElGrande wrote: » Natural undisturbed woodland in Ireland looks nothing like that picture he has with the bluebells, that is managed wood. Undisturbed woodland is impassible as in you need a machete or bow saw to hack a path through it, such woodland is an absolute swampy mess if you try and traverse it and it can be ghostly quiet and dark. Natural woodland in Ireland is a mix of hazel, oak, blackthorn and ash trees interlaced with fungi, moss, brambles and nettles.
recedite wrote: » BTW there is an ancient woodland near me, and it is oak and bluebells. The woodland you describe above is not our native ancient woodland, it is what grows up fairly quickly within a generation or two when land is abandoned.
A workplace strike shows company owners and management that workers are able to harm them economically. A school strike, on the other hand, constitutes a form of self-harm, undertaken to attract adult attention. And the global school strike for climate is led by a girl with a long and tragic history of self-harm to her own body. In Scenes from the Heart, when Greta eventually starts eating again, she only allows herself certain foods. Her mother has to prepare the same food every day for Greta to bring to school and keep in the school refrigerator: pancakes filled with rice. Greta will eat them only if there is no sticker with her name on the container: stickers, paper and newspapers trigger Greta’s OCD against eating. “I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day,” Greta said when she addressed the world’s leaders in Davos. Given the child’s history of precisely that—fear and panic—the adult response should perhaps not be “You go, girl” (the words of Madeleine Albright when she was asked what she thinks of Greta’s school strike), but something considerably more cautious. Greta does not skip classes from just any school, but one for children with special needs. Many other Swedish families fight hard to get their children into such schools, because places are rare. According to the family’s book, however, resources will be ample for such families once we change the system—including, according to Ernman, “patriarchal structures” that she claims favor boys with neuropsychiatric disorders over girls. I do not wish to suggest that Greta is too young to understand the consequences of her actions, nor that the challenges she faces make her unsuitable to take a stand on political issues, or even to lead a global movement. No one who has heard her address world leaders in impeccable English can doubt that she is very intelligent. Ernman also stresses that her daughter has never felt better than during her campaign for the climate. Greta herself has said that realizing that she could do something about climate change has helped her recover. I am also not questioning Greta’s role as a public speaker, nor the power of hundreds of thousands of protesting school children, nor that climate change is an existential threat to humankind. But adults have a moral obligation to remain adults in relation to children and not be carried away by emotions, icons, selfies, images of mass protests, or messianic or revolutionary dreams. Greta was recently named ”Woman of the Year” by a Swedish newspaper. But she is not a woman, she is a child. It is time we stopped to ask if we are using her, failing her, and even sacrificing her, for what we perceive to be a greater good.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » So no one will tell me how many cattle is too many for Ireland?
KyussB wrote: » She didn't say that, she said it's about climate change in addition to reigniting Keyne's style New Deal politics/economics - since they happen to blend together perfectly.
Based on the above, we can see that the annual cost of Norway’s EV support scheme already exceeds the annual cost of Maternity and Paternity leave pay (21.2B NOK) and also exceeds the annual Unemployment Benefit budget (14.2B NOK) and the Child Benefit budget (16.8B NOK). As a matter of fact, if Norway were to convert all its cars to EVs, the country EV budget would become the second largest government expenditure at 198B NOK, only behind the retirement pension budget at 223B NOK. It is worth noting that Norway is running a sizable 20% primary budget deficit (excluding oil revenues) and 7% deficit including oil revenues. Norway’s EV support is already having a material impact on Norway’s finances, the excise duties on cars and petrol have declined by 25.9B NOK in 5 years from 50.7B NOK in 2013 to 24.8B NOK in 2018. If this revenue item had remained constant, Norway’s budget deficit for 2018 would have shrunk to 4.2% from 7%. <snip> Norway has pursued its extreme EV support policy due to the seemingly mistaken belief that one can both fight climate change and maintain a car culture. Considering the limits of of today’s personal vehicle technology and the limitations of public finances, the simultaneous pursuit of these two conflicting objectives is perhaps a well-intentioned folly.source
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