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Man Vs ManUre

The Khabib Conor fight has generated so much interest we are still discussing it passionately almost 1 year later.
I know Ferguson is next in line for a go at Khabib assuming no shock thus wknd. But surely Khabib Conor 2 has to happen in near future just going by economics alone.
A lot will depend on how defiant Khabib will be in his negotiations, he knows to deprive Conor a chance to redeem himself like he did against Diaz will be a lifetime punishment to Mcgregor. And I would imagine Conor will retire from ufc before Khabib does.

Effects

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The Barboza fight was only 3 rounds so McGregor actually lasted longer than Barboza.

Jasus, I forgot that to be honest.

dashoonage

JJayoo wrote: »

I heard that McG lost both his legs on the morning of the fight and that's why he wasn't able to defend the takedowns. And his left arm was ran over by a herd of buffalo as he made his way to the cage so that's why he didn't knock Khabib out instantly in round one.

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JJayoo

I heard that McG lost both his legs on the morning of the fight and that's why he wasn't able to defend the takedowns. And his left arm was ran over by a herd of buffalo as he made his way to the cage so that's why he didn't knock Khabib out instantly in round one.

Tazzimus

Yes, no ones ever used the cage for leverage.

Edson didn't have a chance to knee or use the cage, he was just manhandled for most of the fight.

weldoninhio

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The Barboza fight was only 3 rounds so McGregor actually lasted longer than Barboza. Obviously things could have went differently if the barboza fight was a 5 rounder but you can't really criticise McGregor when he lasted longer than Barboza. Not to mention McGregor performed very well in the first and avoided taking any real shots and also won the third. Barboza got smashed for all three rounds.

Barboza didn't need to cheat to get through the three rounds. He didn't illegally knee on the ground, he wasn't using the cage for leverage.

AlmightyCushion

The Barboza fight was only 3 rounds so McGregor actually lasted longer than Barboza. Obviously things could have went differently if the barboza fight was a 5 rounder but you can't really criticise McGregor when he lasted longer than Barboza. Not to mention McGregor performed very well in the first and avoided taking any real shots and also won the third. Barboza got smashed for all three rounds.

Mellor

Effects wrote: »

There's no problem with tapping out. The point was Barboza was able to get to the end of the fight without getting himself in a position where he had to tap out.

Barboza was mauled more than any of Khabib’s recent opponents. Al did a better job of surviving.
He’s not really a grappler to active chasing the submission. The way that Maia or Gunni would. If it presents, he’ll take it but he’s happy to strike from top position.
I’m not sure what conclusions we can draw from one result verses the other.

Effects

rob316 wrote: »

I heard from a friend who knew someone in that camp that basically he turned up in terrible shape and spent most of it detoxing.

Pretty lame story, "A mate of a mate of mine heard he was recovering from drugs and booze for most of his camp".

If that was the case then, given his performance against Khabib, he should have no problem beating him if he trains properly.

Effects

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

If your face was being squeezed so hard that your jaw would eventually crush or maybe even worse, what is the problem with tapping out?

There's no problem with tapping out. The point was Barboza was able to get to the end of the fight without getting himself in a position where he had to tap out.

lola85

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Assuming it was real Proper 12 in the bottle, even drinking couple of shots at the pressers in week leading up to the fight cannot be the right preparation. It’s as if Conor was so confident of winning he thought he still would with this wild man rockstar behavior. I know he has spoken a few times about how he only drinks spirits as it does minimal damage for athletic performance compared to beer, but still surely you would perform better without the spirits also, even if just for the duration of the camp.

He was beaten weeks before that fight and he knew it.

Man Vs ManUre

Assuming it was real Proper 12 in the bottle, even drinking couple of shots at the pressers in week leading up to the fight cannot be the right preparation. It’s as if Conor was so confident of winning he thought he still would with this wild man rockstar behavior. I know he has spoken a few times about how he only drinks spirits as it does minimal damage for athletic performance compared to beer, but still surely you would perform better without the spirits also, even if just for the duration of the camp.

rob316

pastorbarrett wrote: »

Purely speculative, but even his physique looked markedly different from the Eddie/ Mayweather fights. Maybe something to do with the cut?

He looked drawn before the fight began, not out of shape by any means, but almost like he didn't rehydrate fully.

And no, I don't think it would've changed the course of the fight.

I heard from a friend who knew someone in that camp that basically he turned up in terrible shape and spent most of it detoxing. Conor wanted to do 8 weeks, John wanted 12 weeks. It ended up about 6 weeks and they sparred so heavy trying to get him up to speed he got injured.

Not an excuse just what I heard and shows how committed he really is.

Man Vs ManUre

Effects wrote: »

Because people don't care as much about Barbosa getting beaten than they do about McGregor. And he lasted the whole fight rather than tapping out.

If your face was being squeezed so hard that your jaw would eventually crush or maybe even worse, what is the problem with tapping out?? Intelligence of knowing when to quit and live to fight another day is just one part of a professional prize fighter.
I can understand all the criticism of Conor lifestyle and behavior of recent years, but I would never criticize his heart and bravery.

Effects

derfderf wrote: »

Barbosa was smashed from bell to bell almost, and nobody gives him grief for it.

Because people don't care as much about Barbosa getting beaten than they do about McGregor. And he lasted the whole fight rather than tapping out.

pastorbarrett

Purely speculative, but even his physique looked markedly different from the Eddie/ Mayweather fights. Maybe something to do with the cut?

He looked drawn before the fight began, not out of shape by any means, but almost like he didn't rehydrate fully.

And no, I don't think it would've changed the course of the fight.

xtal191

Conor didn't do as bad as I originally remembered in that fight but at the same time it was really easy victory for Khabib, he never looked in trouble.

Still cant get over how much Conor cheated in it though

chopperbyrne

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/cygum7/my_whole_country_thinks_im_a_prick/

Tazzimus

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

He tried walking him down in the first round and it didn't work. I think he should have done what he does best, keep his distance, wait for Khabib to come at him and then hit Khabib on the way in. Walking Khabib down was just making it easier for Khabib to land the takedown as he had less distance to bridge and less time for McGregor to react and land something.

He did, but he didn't really do much with it. He needed to be on the attack, keeping Khabib busy defending himself.

That's the main problem when facing him, that fear of the takedown is always there, unless you know your wrestling is good enough to stop it.
It makes strikers hesitant to engage.

AlmightyCushion

Tazzimus wrote: »

An option would be to go on the attack immediately and try hurt him as fast as he could, punish him for trying to go for a takedown so he becomes hesitant.
Only problem with that is if he gets caught at any stage, he's on the ground.

He tried walking him down in the first round and it didn't work. I think he should have done what he does best, keep his distance, wait for Khabib to come at him and then hit Khabib on the way in. Walking Khabib down was just making it easier for Khabib to land the takedown as he had less distance to bridge and less time for McGregor to react and land something.

Tazzimus

AbusesToilets wrote: »

If I was a theoretical Conor, I guess the best strategy could hope for is working to maximize energy conservation through rounds 1 and 2 and hope for a third round , similar to this fight, where he would have more energy to put power behind his punches.

It was a bit of a catch 22 for him though.
He pretty much took no damage in round 1 and stopped Khabib from advancing far enough to start pummeling him.
Round 2 he also negated a lot of the damage, but not as much.
Round 3, he was ****ed and couldn't really mount any offence.

If he hadn't done that in the first two rounds, he'd have been hammered into the mat for 10 minutes.

An option would be to go on the attack immediately and try hurt him as fast as he could, punish him for trying to go for a takedown so he becomes hesitant.
Only problem with that is if he gets caught at any stage, he's on the ground.

AbusesToilets

If I was a theoretical Conor, I guess the best strategy could hope for is working to maximize energy conservation through rounds 1 and 2 and hope for a third round , similar to this fight, where he would have more energy to put power behind his punches.

derfderf

yourdeadwright wrote: »

derfderf wrote: »

I think Khabib would have been a bit worried after the first round. Barbosa was smashed from bell to bell almost, and nobody gives him grief for it. Conor shut Khabib down in round 1 as good as anyone I've seen, but he's called a sham.

The first two rounds are always Conor's best though. Even though the defense in round one was impressive, his chance to win was gone by round three. He had nothing in his strikes.

Conor won round 3 ?

He won the round alright, but that changed nothing. It was a striker vs grappler fight. The whole third round was standing, and Khabib took no damage.

It was the opposite of round 1. Khabib won round one, but i doubt he was happy with Conor shutting down all his offense.

BigMo1

Deleted User wrote: »

After the first Nate loss you got the sense that the result could be different with some gameplan & cardio tweaks.

I didn't get that sense after the Khabib loss. Whether his coaches gave him a bad strategy, whether he success in the third round or "didn't do as bad" on the ground as some think etc is largely academic. I don't see any area where he can get a little bit better and it turns the fight around.

He would need to do some major, major improvements, evolution, skill acquisition for me to think it would go any other way.

Do I believe he is capable of doing that? No I don't. He has had periods of rapid evolution and skill acquisition in the past but those days are long behind him. He's been pissing around for years, rarely training outside of scheduled camps, hanging around with bad crowds, getting into trouble. There's no logic reason for me to think he would do better in a rematch. If fouls were dealt with properly I can see him doing worse.

I think this is a more than fair assessment. The perceived lack of training makes the gap even wider.

I'd imagine the UFC are praying for Dustin to win on Saturday. If that happens, they could do Dustin-Conor 2 for the LW belt. I can't see it though personally. Khabib feels completely on another level to everyone else.

yourdeadwright

derfderf wrote: »

I think Khabib would have been a bit worried after the first round. Barbosa was smashed from bell to bell almost, and nobody gives him grief for it. Conor shut Khabib down in round 1 as good as anyone I've seen, but he's called a sham.

The first two rounds are always Conor's best though. Even though the defense in round one was impressive, his chance to win was gone by round three. He had nothing in his strikes.

Conor won round 3 ?

[Deleted User]

After the first Nate fight you got the sense that the result could be different with some gameplan & cardio tweaks.

I didn't get that sense after the Khabib loss. Whether his coaches gave him a bad strategy, whether he success in the third round or "didn't do as bad" on the ground as some think etc is largely academic. I don't see any area where he can get a little bit better and it turns the fight around.

He would need to do some major, major improvements, evolution, skill acquisition for me to think it would go any other way.

Do I believe he is capable of doing that? No I don't. He has had periods of rapid evolution and skill acquisition in the past but those days are long behind him. He's been pissing around for years, rarely training outside of scheduled camps, hanging around with bad crowds, getting into trouble. His head seems to be more into boxing than MMA. There's no logic reason for me to think he would do better in a rematch. If fouls were dealt with properly I can see him doing worse.

ElBastardo1

Effects wrote: »

Of course he will. He’s sorted out his cutting issues.

i Presume he means Mcgregor:pac::pac::pac:

derfderf

I think Khabib would have been a bit worried after the first round. Barbosa was smashed from bell to bell almost, and nobody gives him grief for it. Conor shut Khabib down in round 1 as good as anyone I've seen, but he's called a sham.

The first two rounds are always Conor's best though. Even though the defense in round one was impressive, his chance to win was gone by round three. He had nothing in his strikes.

Effects

The Mig wrote: »

Will he turn up Saturday?

Of course he will. He’s sorted out his cutting issues.

The Mig

Will he turn up Saturday?