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IT'S A MIRACLE!!! (or is it?)

Quantum Erasure

I just saw on the news that a woman who was cured of Multiple Sclerosis at knock 30 years ago, Marion Carroll, had a letter from the bishop read out at mass, confirming the miracle.

Was surprised there wasn't a thread on it here, so I went googling and couldn't find any mention of it.
But I did come across this, 'how miracles are approved by the church', which might explain what's going on:

https://aleteia.org/2018/05/14/this-is-how-miracles-are-approved-by-the-church/

“For the cure to be considered miraculous, the disease must be serious and impossible (or at least very difficult) to cure by human means and not be in a stage at which it is liable to disappear shortly by itself. No medical treatment must have been given, or it must be certain that the treatment given has no reference to the cure. The healing must be spontaneous, complete and permanent.”

In all cases the local bishop is the first authority to investigate a miracle. He creates a board of medical professionals to evaluate the event and then they report to him their results.

In most cases the event is not verified as a miracle. For example, “the Lourdes Medical Commission, while documenting over 8,000 extraordinary cures, has only validated [70] of them.”

not sure what the next step is, or if thats that...

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suicide_circus

you may well laugh but the RCC is fairly rigerous when it comes to investigating this type of thing. not saying that the approved miracles are real obviously but they study these claims for years before "confirming" them and more often than not, they dont.

kneemos

Why is so important for these places to have miracles?

Misdiagnosed possibly.

kneemos

Here's her story.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/miracle-at-knock-woman-reveals-all-99091009-237706551

Quantum Erasure

just saw it again on the 9 o'clock news, this is the first 'miracle' cure at Knock to be acknowledged by the church. should be bigger news surely?

73bc61lyohr0mu

orli na nh wrote: »

just saw it again on the 9 o'clock news, this is the first 'miracle' cure at Knock to be acknowledged by the church. should be bigger news surely?

It shouldn't become its superstitious bull**** that gives people false hope..

BDI

Pile of poney, still preaching around the world committing the same atrocities they used to commit here before we copped onto them.

corner of hells

I heard she wasn't a Catholic at all , so it sounds like someone got a freebie.

Fr_Dougal

Her daughter has MS now:

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/woman-who-claims-multiple-sclerosis-9479608

IamtheWalrus

God cures her but not the millions of other sick people who beg for help.

Ipso

corner of hells wrote: »

I heard she wasn't a Catholic at all , so it sounds like someone got a freebie.

Those protestants, at it again.

ILoveYourVibes

Meilani Fat Wiretap wrote: »

It shouldn't become its superstitious bull**** that gives people false hope..

Is there such a thing as false hope?

The high horse brigade

It's all bolloxology, God intervenes to cure her meanwhile somewhere else in the world a child dies of leukemia

Knock needed to come up with something because it's good for business

jackboy

kneemos wrote: »

Why is so important for these places to have miracles?

Misdiagnosed possibly.

Apparently she was never diagnosed, she had some mystery illness.

ILoveYourVibes

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

God cures her but not the millions of other sick people who beg for help.

God needs to be told off a lot more for that imo.:mad:

He needs to get up off his lazy ass and do his job!

sligojoek

Funny. During the week there was someone on liveline complaining that visitor numbers were down at Knock and Bord Failte were not doing enough to promote it.

Mad_maxx

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

God cures her but not the millions of other sick people who beg for help.

Some prick eh

the14thwarrior

whats wrong with the lot of ya?

if she's cured, then its a good thing for her, and whats your problem with that? cos the non believers don't believe in it, it must be a wind up.

the cynical sh*t that people are coming out with is unbelievable.

typical begrudgers and church bashing.

ya must all be so logical and boring that there is no room for anything else.

and ya be the first one's wanting a miracle if one of yours was sick.

there are things that cannot be explained in this world
looking for increased tourism in knock isn't one of them

IamtheWalrus

the14thwarrior wrote: »

whats wrong with the lot of ya?

if she's cured, then its a good thing for her, and whats your problem with that? cos the non believers don't believe in it, it must be a wind up.

the cynical sh*t that people are coming out with is unbelievable.

typical begrudgers and church bashing.

ya must all be so logical and boring that there is no room for anything else.

and ya be the first one's wanting a miracle if one of yours was sick.

there are things that cannot be explained in this world
looking for increased tourism in knock isn't one of them

Only religion can get a free pass on unsubstantiated claims. In other areas of life, they’re critiqued and/or ridiculed.

whisky_galore

suicide_circus wrote: »

you may well laugh but the RCC is fairly rigerous when it comes to investigating this type of thing. not saying that the approved miracles are real obviously but they study these claims for years before "confirming" them and more often than not, they dont.

Purveyor of fairy tales debunks competing fairy tales.

It's pretty funny alright.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Only religion can get a free pass on unsubstantiated claims. In other areas of life, they’re critiqued and/or ridiculed.

You may not be following the modern world. I’m gender fluid today if anyone asks. They/Them

kneemos

the14thwarrior wrote: »

whats wrong with the lot of ya?

if she's cured, then its a good thing for her, and whats your problem with that? cos the non believers don't believe in it, it must be a wind up.

the cynical sh*t that people are coming out with is unbelievable.

typical begrudgers and church bashing.

ya must all be so logical and boring that there is no room for anything else.

and ya be the first one's wanting a miracle if one of yours was sick.

there are things that cannot be explained in this world
looking for increased tourism in knock isn't one of them

Sceptical I think the word is.

The only cynical part is wanting a "miracle" attributed to the Knock shrine.
No doubt something happened to the woman, but calling it a miracle when there could be so many other possibilities is beyond sensible.

[Deleted User]

embarrassing to see this offered uncritically as a leading item on rte news.

cj maxx

kneemos wrote: »

Here's her story.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/miracle-at-knock-woman-reveals-all-99091009-237706551

I must make the trip to knock just in case it works. Anything at this stage

Quantum Erasure

don't knock it till you've tried it...

cj maxx

orli na nh wrote: »

don't knock it till you've tried it...

I'm not

sabat

I'd guess that the sheer amount of people going to places like Knock and Lourdes makes it statistically likely that some of them will experience spontaneous unexplained remission or else pick up the exact combination of other diseases to cure their own illness.

PsychoPete

BDI wrote: »

Pile of poney, still preaching around the world committing the same atrocities they used to commit here before we copped onto them.

Pretty much how a cult works

Ipso

Isn’t there a chance that it’s not the shrine for the blissid virgin doing the healing but some pagan dolmen or the like that was there back in the day?

lawred2

Numbers must be down at Knock...

lawred2

Ipso wrote: »

Isn’t there a chance that it’s not the shrine for the blissid virgin doing the healing but some pagan dolmen or the like that was there back in the day?

Or there was no healing?