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Mr. Incognito

downthemiddle wrote: »

This is exactly the kind of nonsense that gives Kerry supporters a bad name. Please try opening your other eye.

My hole. Moran was fouled. Lyne was fouled.

Dublin players were throwing themselves down manufacturing soft frees all day but Kerry dont get two stonewall frees.

Why was there 7 mins of injury time? Kerry were 1 up. Thats why. They didnt get 1 free thereafter. Not. One. Dublin got 3 frees in extra time.

[Deleted User]

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Kerry left that behind them.

Better team by far first half. Spurned a penalty even though Cluxton came way off his line very poorly hit.

Clifford started very poorly. No cooper for the replay. I think Kerry will win the replay. They cant play that wasteful again.

Ref was even but appauling in last ten minutes when Kerry couldnt buy a free. Im delighted he cant be appointed for the replay. He did everything he could to let Dublin win including 7 mins of injury time.

If you have actually watched a game since 2016 you will realise that 7 minutes injury time is close enough to the norm.

In 2016 refs were instructed to add x time for subs, y for keepers coming up the field for frees etc.

All that has resulted in games regularly going well over 70 mins.

Was the ref in the 2016 drawn final doing everything he could to let Dublin won by adding 7 minutes of injury time when they were 3 up on 70mins ?

jimmytwotimes 2013

downthemiddle wrote: »

This is exactly the kind of nonsense that gives Kerry supporters a bad name. Please try opening your other eye.

It's a post on a forum so I wouldn't let it colour your view of a few thousand football fans, maybe

mystic86

downthemiddle wrote: »

This is exactly the kind of nonsense that gives Kerry supporters a bad name. Please try opening your other eye.

Says you, anyone from Dublin I've spoken to has nothing but good things to say about Kerry supporters. You'll get the above commentary from a fan of any county in equal amounts, it's not mathematics, people have opinions. On a forum. Shocking.

downthemiddle

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Ref was even but appauling in last ten minutes when Kerry couldnt buy a free. Im delighted he cant be appointed for the replay. He did everything he could to let Dublin win including 7 mins of injury time.

This is exactly the kind of nonsense that gives Kerry supporters a bad name. Please try opening your other eye.

Ace2007

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Kerry left that behind them.

Better team by far first half. Spurned a penalty even though Cluxton came way off his line very poorly hit.

Clifford started very poorly. No cooper for the replay. I think Kerry will win the replay. They cant play that wasteful again.

Ref was even but appauling in last ten minutes when Kerry couldnt buy a free. Im delighted he cant be appointed for the replay. He did everything he could to let Dublin win including 7 mins of injury time.

Cooper isn't suspended for the replay, so every chance he plays

acequion

I think some of ye are being very hard on our Kerry lads. Yes they could have won it but Dublin could also have stolen it at the death as they did in 2011.

Don't forget how our young team were totally written off and the arrogance and smugness by some Dublin fans on various social media sites was breathtaking. I wonder if they're so arrogant tonight! Kerry showed today that the great Dubs are not invincible.

The replay is anybody's game imo. Both sides will have learned lessons, both have much to work on. But Kerry certainly didn't leave it after them!

Looking forward to TSG where I can watch and listen without my heart hammering and really looking forward to watching the entire match in full on player.

This soooo isn't over.:D Up Kerry!

wonga77

That was a super save by Cluxton from Paul Murphy, id bet the majority of the crowd didnt realise it at the time but he glanced it onto the cross bar. A vital save at a vital stage of the game

Chalk McHugh

Well done lads on a great game between the top dogs of our sport. I always felt it would be close, only an eejit gave Kerry no chance. My over riding emotion as a Dub is relief. I thought it was slipping away when ye went in front but we managed to salvage the situation. Savage stuff. Look forward to Dublin v Kerry, Act 2.

Forge83

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought he was very fair. Gave a penalty and sent a player off, right or wrong not many teams get those decisions against Dublin in croker in a final. There normally the decisions that Dublin get.

Dublin had one of there worst performances in the past 5 years and played with 14 men. Kerry had an extra man in injury time against a tired team and they couldn't hold on to the ball.Poor shooting and decision making is why Kerry didn't win this by 10, not the referee.

Referee had a good game overall. Gave a soft penalty but didn’t penalize Cluxton for coming off line.
Stephen O Brien should have had a free or borderline penalty that wasn’t given in second half. Few Dublin second half tackles very heavy and could have been frees. But all 50/50 so debatable.
Red carded cooper with foul,foul tick,foul yellow,foul red. More than fair.
O Sullivan was different. Foul Yellow,foul tick. He wasn’t persistently caught fouling like Cooper.

Dublin had one of their worst games......because of how Kerry played. It’s extremely disrespectful to insist they didn’t turn up. Mannion and O Callaghan were nullified by great defending by O Sullivan and Morley. Moran and Barry/Spillane dominated Fenton and McCauley. Clifford turned Cooper inside out.
Dublin had McCaffrey,Howard,Kilkenny and Rock turn it up get the draw. To think that every one of their players is going to dominate their man is absurd. Their lower scoring percentages were down to Kerry pressure.
A draw was a fair result. Kerry should have brought Tommy and Spillane on sooner and gone on the attack rather than holding Murphy in defense.

[Deleted User]

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Kerry left that behind them.

Better team by far first half. Spurned a penalty even though Cluxton came way off his line very poorly hit.

Clifford started very poorly. No cooper for the replay. I think Kerry will win the replay. They cant play that wasteful again.

Ref was even but appauling in last ten minutes when Kerry couldnt buy a free. Im delighted he cant be appointed for the replay. He did everything he could to let Dublin win including 7 mins of injury time.

I thought he was very fair. Gave a penalty and sent a player off, right or wrong not many teams get those decisions against Dublin in croker in a final. There normally the decisions that Dublin get.

Dublin had one of there worst performances in the past 5 years and played with 14 men. Kerry had an extra man in injury time against a tired team and they couldn't hold on to the ball.Poor shooting and decision making is why Kerry didn't win this by 10, not the referee.

wonga77

At what point did Gough do Kerry in the last 10 minutes? Lyne went looking for a free and didnt get it, Moran ran into a sea of blue and was dispossesed. Couldnt argue with any of the Dublin frees near the end.
Gough was very fair overall I felt.
By the way the sunday game were way ott in their ht analysis, they need to be put out to pasture

Mr. Incognito

Kerry left that behind them.

Better team by far first half. Spurned a penalty even though Cluxton came way off his line very poorly hit.

Clifford started very poorly. No cooper for the replay. I think Kerry will win the replay. They cant play that wasteful again.

Ref was even but appauling in last ten minutes when Kerry couldnt buy a free. Im delighted he cant be appointed for the replay. He did everything he could to let Dublin win including 7 mins of injury time.

cmac2009

wonga77 wrote: »

Is the chance gone? It was there for the taking, no idea what Moran was at running into the tackle near the end or Lyne looking for a soft free out on the sideline. No belief there for the last few minutes.
Incredibly tense but when the dust settles, we had a man advantage for 4o odd minutes and should have drove it home.
On the flip side it was a huge experience for many of the team so hopefully it brings them on. Credit to Jack Barry, he was excellent I thought, Clifford missed a few too which was unlike him.
The gaa will be smiling, another sellout for the replay

I think it is, barely noticed Dublin were playing with 14 at times. They will run away with it in two weeks. Not sure why they were holing onto possession around the back when a point up. With 15 men you should be pushing on to increase your advantage. Just don't understand it with so much time remaining. Thought Morgan was a monster today.

Forge83

wonga77 wrote: »

Is the chance gone? It was there for the taking, no idea what Moran was at running into the tackle near the end or Lyne looking for a soft free out on the sideline. No belief there for the last few minutes.
Incredibly tense but when the dust settles, we had a man advantage for 4o odd minutes and should have drove it home.
On the flip side it was a huge experience for many of the team so hopefully it brings them on. Credit to Jack Barry, he was excellent I thought, Clifford missed a few too which was unlike him.
The gaa will be smiling, another sellout for the replay

Spot on. What were Moran and Lyne at. Lyne especially assuming he had a free(It probably was a free but he should have played to whistle). Would have preferred an old head like Enright to come on ahead of Lyne as they would have more composure.

Gavin White had a terrible game. One of my favorite players normally but must be under pressure for a starting spot for replay.
Howard dominated O Beaglaoich, a complete mismatch. Maybe Begley in Whites spot tracking McCaffrey with Sherwood starting on Howard would be better.

Super games from Walsh and K Spillane when introduced.
Great job overall by our “WEAK” defense.

wonga77

Is the chance gone? It was there for the taking, no idea what Moran was at running into the tackle near the end or Lyne looking for a soft free out on the sideline. No belief there for the last few minutes.
Incredibly tense but when the dust settles, we had a man advantage for 4o odd minutes and should have drove it home.
On the flip side it was a huge experience for many of the team so hopefully it brings them on. Credit to Jack Barry, he was excellent I thought, Clifford missed a few too which was unlike him.
The gaa will be smiling, another sellout for the replay

An Ciarraioch

Jack Barry in midfield, Adrian Spillane moved to the forwards, with Killian Spillane dropped.

An Ciarraioch

Strangely, we seem to have the opposite problem to previous years, in that we're finishing games strongly, but we can't afford another first half like the Tyrone game. Maybe Brian O'Beaglaioch should be the sweeper, rather than Paul Murphy? Still, if there are only a few points in the game around the 50th minute, there's every chance.

kerry cow

rattle cluxton early if we have any chance .
they are a young team we should be very proud of regardless .
if they do win tomorrow there is going to be many good days ahead ,
either way the future is bright .

once we all stay on the field and get a fair refereeing on decisions then we can nt complain .
proud kerrymen and women we are

dobman88

All Ireland eve and I'm completely scuttered out for pints with work crew, few dubs thrown in and the craic has been mighty. I've fully convinced myself Kerry are gonna win tomorrow.

This must be what it feels like to be a Mayo fan. Up the kingdom. Win or lose tomorrow. I feel we will have some journey supporting these lads in years to come.

kerry cow

I think kerry should print what ever team that they think is plausible ,
then on the day ,they can set up the way that keane and his selector thinks are best .
there no need to give Gavin anything but a minutes notice of their intentions .
surprise is the best form of attack .
rattle cluxton early and kerry can get inside his head .
he is the spear of that dublin team , he's not immortal but can be as wobbly as jelly once you put him off . while he is their strongest link at the same time he can be their weakest link one put under extreme pressure .
it had happened before

The_Honeybadger

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

The only way that i can see us winning is if we pin back their full back line while also forcing their half backs to sit a little deeper to try get breaks.

2 men inside of Clifford & Tommy with Geaney & O Shea play making between the 40 and inside line will mean they will have to sit 5 men back as Dublin always play a sweeper - that will free up one of our men and allow O Brien to attack from deep.

I genuinely think they will handle us if we go with Clifford & Spillane/Geaney inside

I initially thought that starting Tommy would be a mistake but I tend to agree with you now. If the game is over with 25 minutes to go it’s pointless bringing him in then. While we need to be realistic about what he can and can’t do Dublin will be wary of him. I think Jim Gavin would prefer to see him on the bench at the start as he will create a bit of a matchup problem for them.

There is virtually no chance of Gavin O’Brien starting, has he even made the 26 since the league?

Poor_old_gill

munster87 wrote: »

We’re not that badly off that we can’t possibly win without a player that has minimal impact for years at intercounty level (bar the semi final) are we?

The only way that i can see us winning is if we pin back their full back line while also forcing their half backs to sit a little deeper to try get breaks.

2 men inside of Clifford & Tommy with Geaney & O Shea play making between the 40 and inside line will mean they will have to sit 5 men back as Dublin always play a sweeper - that will free up one of our men and allow O Brien to attack from deep.

I genuinely think they will handle us if we go with Clifford & Spillane/Geaney inside

Poor_old_gill

dobman88 wrote: »

I disagree. Start with speed and try to get a good score put up. Bring Tommy on with 25 to go and let him cause a mess like he did against Tyrone. If he starts, we know he wont finish so I'd prefer to have him there at the end when the experience and physicality will be needed.

Pace is more useful at the end against tired legs - I'd do the complete opposite to what you are suggesting!
Lets just hope that whatever Keane does- it's the right decision

munster87

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I cant see any way of us winning without starting Tommy

We’re not that badly off that we can’t possibly win without a player that has minimal impact for years at intercounty level (bar the semi final) are we?

dobman88

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I cant see any way of us winning without starting Tommy

I disagree. Start with speed and try to get a good score put up. Bring Tommy on with 25 to go and let him cause a mess like he did against Tyrone. If he starts, we know he wont finish so I'd prefer to have him there at the end when the experience and physicality will be needed.

Poor_old_gill

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Keane has never started his stated team However looking at it where can you chane it before thae start. I think Tommy Walsh will be left until the second half.

One change I could see( and Keane thinks outside the box is Gavin O'Brien starting instead of Killian Spillane. It would add another kickout option and provide a defensive structure first the first half.

Then again Keane may expect Dublin to double think themselves

I cant see any way of us winning without starting Tommy

Poor_old_gill

Forge83 wrote: »

Gavin O Brien hasn’t even made a subs appearance in the last 2 games so there is very little chance he is being considered for the final. Will be lucky to make the 26.

It would be a massive shock if Gavin was to start-as you said, it will be a mild surprise if he makes the squad-although I would include him

Forge83

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Keane has never started his stated team However looking at it where can you chane it before thae start. I think Tommy Walsh will be left until the second half.

One change I could see( and Keane thinks outside the box is Gavin O'Brien starting instead of Killian Spillane. It would add another kickout option and provide a defensive structure first the first half.

Then again Keane may expect Dublin to double think themselves

Gavin O Brien hasn’t even made a subs appearance in the last 2 games so there is very little chance he is being considered for the final. Will be lucky to make the 26.

Same As

Have never been as nervous for a game before.

Safe travels to all making the journey, Ciarraí Abú!