Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Podge_irl wrote: »

Claiming the UN can't count because they sent 17 boats out and you can only see 5 in a picture is a pretty spectacular analogy for someone saying Global Warming can't possibly exist cause it's cold outside.

Ah Podge still spectacularly late to the party I see. Lol. Didnt read the thread no? Didnt see the posts about the UN using incorrect data which was detailed no?

Here's the link. Maybe best start from the beginning if you are going to be posting daft comments ok?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111111597&postcount=1816

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

She's a dilusional, megalomanical, hyperbolic fruitcake with fantasist idea's.

That's it, let it all out

gozunda wrote: »

Dohhjoe - pointing out the flaws in something does not make anyone a 'denier' a 'doubter' or even a witch in old money - god forbid. It doesn't even make them 'pissed off' (sic)

Information/disinformation aside

Some denialists/doubters are motivated by simple base emotions toward environmentalists, the Jeremy Clarkson effect, where technically the environmentalist may be correct, but they are perceived as annoying/preachy, so a person takes the opposite position

Plenty of that goes on

Imo the real concern lies with the reality of a populist climate movement allows absolutely no questioning of anything they say, no highlighting of evident extremism and absolutely no criticism of anything and especially the use of a figurehead child prophet. This is what is trurly deeply worrying about this current wave of hysteria.

I agree, everything should be questioned, especially the veracity of any statements, reports or facts.

However, as with any serious risk situation where the stakes are pretty high, the consequences of taking action but being wrong far, far outweigh ignoring the warnings and not taking action. That's a no-brainer in any risk analysis

Perceived hysteria, alarmism, etc over such an issue is undesirable, but in itself is largely irrelevant when the issue is real - in fact it may even be instrumental into pushing wider action to resolve the issue

Stevieluvsye

Wanderer78 wrote: »

she has autism, its a developmental disorder, shes not mentally disabled!

She's a dilusional, megalomanical, hyperbolic fruitcake with fantasist idea's.

Wanderer78

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

So we are all in agreement now that it's all a publicity stunt being fronted by a mentally disabled teenager

she has autism, its a developmental disorder, shes not mentally disabled!

marieholmfan wrote: »

Until proven otherwise this photo is fake news. If I say 'there are twenty people here' and you tweet a picture of five people that doesn't disprove my statement.Deniers lie.

Lol. Its called a bit of humour Ted. Just in case you missed the OPs opening salvo about gretas voyage to the New World. Here is what one of the admins said about this thread when someone else didn't get it

Mr E wrote: »

In a thread that started with lots of tongue-in-cheek remarks, it's another tongue-in-cheek remark. ....

Thanks now

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gozunda wrote: »

You really are late to the party Podge. But yes just because the number 17 appears - it does not follow that there are 17 boats in the photo now does it? Maybe you should go back to school as well

The point is the photo is a good spoof on the UN feking up their figures once again. Dont get that? Cant help you Sorry.

Heres a photo of all 17 boats lined up waiting for the the main arrival

Until proven otherwise this photo is fake news. If I say 'there are twenty people here' and you tweet a picture of five people that doesn't disprove my statement.

Deniers lie.

Podge_irl

gozunda wrote: »

Yes I quite agree - it was quite stupid stunt tbh. But ended up funny in the context of the UNs ability to spectacularly get the figures wrong on more than one occasion. But hey there we go

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Claiming the UN can't count because they sent 17 boats out and you can only see 5 in a picture is a pretty spectacular analogy for someone saying Global Warming can't possibly exist cause it's cold outside.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The level of nastiness towards this girl is seriously shocking on this thread. Get a life you f*cking losers.

This is just a rehash of the "you're a rasis'" outrage name calling tactic that is used to shut down discussion it is an attempt at deflection and it is not working. I have repeatedly pointed out this young womans vulnerability is being exploited for financial gain by the adults around her, she any many others of her generation are being propagandised an we must call this out and it is possible to do this even if it means highlighting the hypocrisy in the behaviour of the adults around her.

Greta Thunberg: when discussion becomes impossible

There are lots of questions we should ask and answer if we want to understand why the world has gone this terribly wrong. First, is Greta "real" or "fake"? Well, I find it more likely that she's "fake" and was "programmed" by somebody, most likely her dad (Svante Thunberg, an actor – who just happens to be a relative of Svante Arrhenius, a great chemist who has also written an influential paper about the greenhouse effect [and a eugenicist who planned to upgrade Swedish children by electric shocks]). For a while, she seemed to support nuclear energy. German eco-activists immediately attacked her, her dad joined, and she suddenly decided that she no longer likes nuclear energy.

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Podge_irl wrote: »

Of course I get it. The point is that it is not a "good" anything, its incredibly stupid.

Yes I quite agree - it was quite stupid stunt tbh. But ended up funny in the context of the UNs ability to spectacularly get the figures wrong on more than one occasion. But hey there we go

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Pa ElGrande wrote: »

The acid rain scare (popular in the 1980s before the socialist regimes collapsed)

The nuclear winter scare (popular in the 1980s)

The global cooling scare (popular in the 1970s)

The human population scare (popular in the 1970s

Acid rain exists. Nuclear winter didn't happen thankfully (although we came very close to all out nuclear war with several incidents). Global cooling, yeah there were concerns, likewise with warming back in the 70's. Over-population is still a massive problem

So they are all real things, it's just you seem to have a problem with human overreactions to these things. Okay. An overreaction is certainly better than an under-reaction.

the ozone hole will still be there as big as ever as will the polar ice.

It would have been larger if we didn't take action, and it's reportedly starting to receed recently thanks to the fact that we took measures

Podge_irl

gozunda wrote: »

You really are late to the party Podge. But yes just because the number 17 appears - it does not follow that there are 17 boats in the photo now does it? Maybe you should go back to school as well

The point is the photo is a good spoof on the UN feking up their figures once again. Dont get that? Cant help you Sorry.

Of course I get it. The point is that it is not a "good" anything, its incredibly stupid.

Podge_irl wrote: »

You mean the picture of the clearly numbered boats with boat number 17 right in your face in the picture? :rolleyes:Never mind counting, whoever thinks that is funny has issues with just recognising numbers.

You really are late to the party Podge. But yes just because the number 17 appears - it does not follow that there are 17 boats in the photo now does it? Maybe you should go back to school as well

The point is the photo is a good spoof on the UN feking up their figures once again. Dont get that? Cant help you Sorry.

Heres a photo of all 17 boats lined up waiting for the the main arrival

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Nah, it's about a new breed of climate change doubters (not deniers) who are pissed off with what they perceive as "hysteria" about climate change inserting their various views/narratives, with a few real deniers piggybacking. No issues, people are entitled to their opinions.All I say is thank god we didn't have the internet when the Ozone hysteria kicked off

Dohhjoe - pointing out the flaws in something does not make anyone a 'denier' a 'doubter' or even a witch in old money - god forbid. It doesn't even make them 'pissed off' (sic)

Imo the real concern lies with the reality of a populist climate movement which allows absolutely no questioning of anything they say, no highlighting of evident extremism and absolutely no criticism of anything and especially the use of a figurehead child prophet. This is what is trurly deeply worrying about this current wave of hysteria.

Podge_irl

gozunda wrote: »

Indeed. I think it's hilarious considering the UNs problem with basic figures and the photo detailing the17 boats sent out by them ...

Just in case it gets deleted from Twitter - here it is for posterity.

You mean the picture of the clearly numbered boats with boat number 17 right in your face in the picture? :rolleyes:

Never mind counting, whoever thinks that is funny has issues with just recognising numbers.

hetuzozaho

ednwireland wrote: »

see shes getting less coverage in the irish media (dropping down the order) press probably getting bored with the story now.

mind you boris might have something to do with that and the fact that we are moving out of the silly season stories.

May be due to the fact that they have arrived.

ednwireland

see shes getting less coverage in the irish media (dropping down the order) press probably getting bored with the story now.

mind you boris might have something to do with that and the fact that we are moving out of the silly season stories.

Thelonious Monk

The level of nastiness towards this girl is seriously shocking on this thread. Get a life you f*cking losers.

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

So we are all in agreement now that it's all a publicity stunt being fronted by a mentally disabled teenager

You can't class her as mentally disabled since she can function adequately in society, her impairment compared with "neuro-typical" young adults of the same age means she is more vulnerable to this confusion than others and she is being taken advantage of by adults for their own ends while disregarding her development towards becoming a grown up adult.

Since we know this is part of a series of publicity stunts to generate headlines for a UN conference in September it is likely she will be allowed to fade into the background when she is no longer useful to them, they are beginning to realise that her apocalyptic visions are damaging their cause so that may be sooner that her parents realise. Hopefully she will get to live a life of her own without the weight of the world on her shoulders.

Thirty Years After Montreal Pact, Solving the Ozone Problem Remains Elusive

Dohnjoe wrote: »

All I say is thank god we didn't have the internet when the Ozone hysteria kicked off

"It's like AIDS from the sky" the environmentalists used to say yet the ozone hole is still there and whatever happened to the following scares?

The acid rain scare (popular in the 1980s before the socialist regimes collapsed)
The nuclear winter scare (popular in the 1980s)
The global cooling scare (popular in the 1970s)
The human population scare (popular in the 1970s and is linked to the present day catastrophic anthropogenic global warming hypothesis.)

Did the Montreal Protocol fix the ozone hole? It seemed so. With chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) and other ozone-eating chemicals banned, many scientists said it was only a matter of time before the ozone layer recharged, and the annual hole over Antarctica healed for good.

But 30 years on, some atmospheric chemists are not so sure. The healing is proving painfully slow. And new discoveries about chemicals not covered by the protocol are raising fears that full recovery could be postponed into the 22nd century – or possibly even prevented altogether.
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Solomon blamed 2015 on the Calbuco volcano in Chile, which ejected sulphur particles that enhanced the ozone-destroying properties of polar stratospheric clouds. But Susan Strahan of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center warns that the size of the hole in any given year is still dominated by year-to-year variations in the temperature of the stratosphere and the vagaries of meteorology. “The signature of ozone recovery is not quite there yet,” she says, adding that day will come, but we may have to wait until the 2030s.

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I probably won't be alive by the 2040s to witness it , the ozone hole will still be there as big as ever as will the polar ice.

The Holes in the Ozone Scare: The Scientific Evidence that the Sky Isn't Falling

Stevieluvsye

So we are all in agreement now that it's all a publicity stunt being fronted by a mentally disabled teenager

Deleted User wrote: »

nah it's about giving a huge and unquestioning platform to a dramatic/overtraumatized teenager

Not to mention she is autistic. Lord help us when she finds out about vaccines, starts preaching about them, about measles epidemics - someone has to think of the children in all this

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Dohnjoe wrote: »

Nah, it's about a new breed of climate change doubters (not deniers) who are pissed off with what they perceive as "hysteria" about climate change inserting their various views/narratives, with a few real deniers piggybacking. No issues, people are entitled to their opinions.

All I say is thank god we didn't have the internet when the Ozone hysteria kicked off

nah it's about giving a huge and unquestioning platform to a dramatic/overtraumatized teenager

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

The subject is the indoctrination of children and what we can do about it.

Nah, it's about a new breed of climate change doubters (not deniers) who are pissed off with what they perceive as "hysteria" about climate change inserting their various views/narratives, with a few real deniers piggybacking. No issues, people are entitled to their opinions.

All I say is thank god we didn't have the internet when the Ozone hysteria kicked off

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Anyway back on subject, I'm just kidding, that is the real subject

The subject is the indoctrination of children and what we can do about it.

Climate hysteria is a great opportunity to teach children to ask questions
Sanjeev Sabhlok

Climate alarm has long given up the pretence of any link to science. Millions have been successfully “converted” – and they get duly worked up if their belief is questioned: “have you been outside recently?”, “erratic climate events are everywhere!”, “rainfall is getting less every year!”, “flash floods, including in Rajasthan are clear proof!”.

Some of them have gone to the next stage and become missionaries. They go about distributing their religious pamphlets in schools, indoctrinating innocent lower-IQ children. Hopelessly confused children like Greta Thunberg are being churned out as a result. At an age when children like her should be learning to ask questions, they have become the brainwashed front for the climate religion. There is little difference between such “committed” youth and Hitler’s Youth or the youth churned out by ISIS’s madrassas.

In my view, if anyone tells a child that climate change is man-made just because someone says so (such as a missionary “scientist” but now increasingly, “royals” and “celebrities”), that person has committed a sin against the enlightenment, against human progress.

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gozunda wrote: »

The fact that the UN have twice presented incorrect figures regarding greenhouse gas emissions has already been detailed in this thread.

Anyway back on subject, I'm just kidding, that is the real subject

BBC's nature Prom tells children they are in the midst of mass extinction to 'amplify discussion'
Hannah Furness, Arts Correspondent

Families who attended the BBC Proms this weekend were instead confronted with catastrophic warnings from climate change campaigners.

BBC Proms, a celebration of classical music intended to be non-political, opened its 49th Prom of the season with a new composition based on the words of Greta Thunberg warning: “We are in the midst of the sixth mass extinction.”

Intended as a “unique event for all the family” and including painting, poetry, dancing and birdsong, the concert was based on illustrated book The Lost Words, which aims to revive little-used or disappearing words that describe the natural world.

A spokesman for the BBC said the Proms team believed music should "amplify discussion", saying it should “react to the times in which we live”, so that it is “not divorced from reality”.

Ivan Hewett, Telegraph reviewer, said the concert was instead a “statement of the most extreme form of eco-catastrophism, designed to terrify and intimidate the mostly young audience, who clearly lacked the maturity to challenge it”.

“It’s unfortunate that the supposedly impartial BBC turned a promising event into an opportunity for eco-propaganda,” he said, in a two-star review, accusing the BBC of the “blatant politicising of an event aimed at children”.

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