Dave Chappelle triggers the Woke Left..

drunkmonkey · 28-08-2019 1:57pm #1

Poor old Dave is in trouble with the lefties, not sure if you've seen his new stand up show on Netflix Sticks & Stones but it's laugh out loud funny and worth checking out to draw your own conclusions. I think he nailed a few topical subjects.

The woke media say you should skip it https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59ngpb/you-can-definitely-skip-dave-chappelles-new-netflix-special-sticks-and-stones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyOkypzFfHo

Dave Chappelle under fire for discrediting Michael Jackson accusers in Netflix special
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2019/aug/28/dave-chappelle-under-fire-for-discrediting-michael-jackson-accusers-in-netflix-special

James Brown · 28-08-2019 2:01pm

The woke left? How about some 'people' have problems with Dave? Why has it always got to be the brainwashing terms?
Before the use of socially acceptable censorship like calling people names for having a particular view it was the right wing conservatives and church goers tried to ban things and made careers out of it. 'Explicit lyrics' 'video games lead to violence' 'porn leads to violence'. Funny how it's allegedly flipped.

Ifevera wiztherewas · 28-08-2019 2:04pm

The woke left.... oooh edgy.

He's a wanker for what he said but hey everyone's talking about him now so mission accomplished for him.

SexBobomb · 28-08-2019 2:05pm

Haven't seen it yet but Chapelle is one of the funniest humans Ive ever seen, looking forward to watching it later

Thelonious Monk · 28-08-2019 2:08pm

You seem to be the triggered one OP

BorneTobyWilde · 28-08-2019 2:08pm

Jackson has had interactions with 1000's upon 1000's of kids all of them praised him. The guy danced on top of a limo his first day in court, telling everyone who would listen that the truth runs marathons and he can't wait for his day in court finally.

Then two muppets who have been trying to obtain millions from the Jackson estate for year, who were laughed out of court, stuck the knife in the only way they knew how.

But when Jackson settled with Chandler it open him up to this sort of accusation, the possibility of millions on the back of claiming to be molested by him. But these two guys learned in court those days are gone, and no one is getting a dime for story telling. The only option was to make the money some other way, make a movie!

Jackson was raided 20 plus times by police, people trained to uncover evidence, found nothing, then some bald nobody director convinces the '' me too ''world.
I think Dave Chappelle is on to something. Geez

Royale with Cheese · 28-08-2019 2:10pm

I watched it earlier in the week. I'd be a fan of his but it really wasn't great. It felt a little weird and like he was going on little rants without punchlines at times as opposed to doing a standup set.

Ifevera wiztherewas · 28-08-2019 2:10pm

If you don't believe Jackson was a paedophile and just had boys in his room for innocent sleepovers then you need your head examined.

GooglePlus · 28-08-2019 2:10pm

Find his humour a bit spoon fed, never got the appeal.

Overheal · 28-08-2019 2:11pm

Dave’s hilarious. I don’t particularly like him belittling rape much less child molestation and pedophilia but he’s an edgelord. Still on my watchlist.

James Brown · 28-08-2019 2:11pm

Ifevera wiztherewas wrote: »

If you don't believe Jackson was a paedophile and just had boys in his room for innocent sleepovers then you need your head examined.

In the same bed.

BorneTobyWilde · 28-08-2019 2:11pm

Ifevera wiztherewas wrote: »

If you don't believe Jackson was a paedophile and just had boys in his room for innocent sleepovers then you need your head examined.

Then Mother Theresa was one too in that case, geez.

8-10 · 28-08-2019 2:13pm

Ifevera wiztherewas wrote: »

If you don't believe Jackson was a paedophile and just had boys in his room for innocent sleepovers then you need your head examined.

Do you believe the stories of Wade Robson? Gavin Arviso? I don’t. That’s the point here, why would you believe something so strongly if all witnesses were so easily discredited?

Ifevera wiztherewas · 28-08-2019 2:15pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote:

Then Mother Theresa was one too in that case, geez.

Case closed...

jimgoose · 28-08-2019 2:15pm

Clayton Bigsby would be appalled:

Ifevera wiztherewas · 28-08-2019 2:16pm

8-10 wrote:

Do you believe the stories of Wade Robson? Gavin Arviso? I donâ€™t. Thatâ€™s the point here, why would you believe something so strongly if all witnesses were so easily discredited?

A paedophile has never been protected historically....no, never. Especially an extremely rich and famous one.

Sir Oxman · 28-08-2019 2:18pm

I've never seen his stuff before, though had heard of him

Watched this yesterday, there was one great story about saying 'f****t and n****r on tv
The alphabet soup car journey was good

I wasn't offended by anything, I don't think he's my style but I will give his earlier stuff a look.

I switched off before the extra bit at the end so I'll give a look at that later.

I don't do offence at comedians - If I don't like the style/humour, I switch off.

28-08-2019 2:20pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

I watched it earlier in the week. I'd be a fan of his but it really wasn't great. It felt a little weird and like he was going on little rants without punchlines at times as opposed to doing a standup set.

this.

its a long, long way from his best stuff. its a bit dad-rants tbh.

ive no issue with him taking on some sacred cows but its got to be funny, clever or pointed and it just wasnt.

Overheal · 28-08-2019 2:21pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

I've never seen his stuff before, though had heard of him

Watched this yesterday, there was one great story about saying 'f****t and n****r on tv
The alphabet soup car journey was good

I wasn't offended by anything, I don't think he's my style but I will give his earlier stuff a look.

I switched off before the extra bit at the end so I'll give a look at that later.

I don't do offence at comedians - If I don't like the style/humour, I switch off.

His show was very popular and good. Check the youtube in the above post. Also look for his Rick James bits (they run long, and are basically a “Drunk History” he said he said between Rick James and Charlie Murphy, with Dave re-enacting events)

greencap · 28-08-2019 2:26pm

Do you really think he was thinking about the left when he produced this?

I dont see Chappelle sitting down and thinking 'how can i work hard to go after one side of the bullsht political spectrum exclusively'

28-08-2019 2:31pm

Has produced some great material over the years but lately seems to be saying 'edgy' stuff for the sake of it. No cleverness, no subtilty, no craftiness. Not much different to an edgelord.

That being said, I haven't heard this allegedly offensive piece yet, I'll have a gander/listen later.

notobtuse · 28-08-2019 2:40pm

He’s the PC culture's worst nightmare. At one point or another everyone will be offended by his shtick. But slaughtering a whole host of the left's sacred cows is a sin the left simply won’t tolerate. And for that, we owe him our gratitude.

Varik · 28-08-2019 2:46pm

Watched it through and enjoyed it.

The tone of his stuff hasn't changed much over the years so doubt it's anything to do with PC culture, but just going by his Kevin Hart Oscar jokes I think he realised that feigning apology when some nut get's offended just hurt you.

CrankyHaus · 28-08-2019 2:47pm

The R Kelly and Jussie Smollet stuff is easily the best off his new show and makes it worth the watch alone.

I could take or leave most of the deliberately edgy stuff (the MJ stuff is better than the trans stuff) but I have to respect his courage, even if I don't fully agree with it. It's clear he's doubling down on it because people tried to tell him what he can and can't say.

Murdoch owned Vice and the rest of the moaners can F off.

This is a good rebuttal of his critics, though I'd simply substitute humour, for what the writer defends as black humour.
https://www.salon.com/2019/08/27/in-sticks-stones-dave-chappelle-refuses-to-change-for-critics/

Tchaikovsky · 28-08-2019 2:47pm

Self-fulfilling prophecy

B-D-P-- · 28-08-2019 2:48pm

I'm not against any of his jokes, And generally enjoy dark comedy, but this was just flat for me.

He was controversial for the sake of it, not overly funny, just pushing boundaries.

I did enjoy his F8888t and N8888r joke.

8-10 · 28-08-2019 2:51pm

Ifevera wiztherewas wrote: »

A paedophile has never been protected historically....no, never. Especially an extremely rich and famous one.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I don't believe the Robson/Arviso/Chandler allegations. That's all.

I'm not going to think he's a paedophile just because if he was he would be rich enough to defend it. I'm going to think that if there's credible accusations against him, for instance I think R Kelly has some compelling and believable accusors.

If MJ was a paedophile, these fake stories from Robson, Arviso and Chandler really hurt that argument. It's a bit like a boy who cried wolf. If you have multiple fake stories repeated years and decades apart, then how does a real person who's been abused get to the stage of being believed?

JohnnyFlash · 28-08-2019 3:00pm

I didn’t find it all that funny, and I loved the Chapelle show. It’s pretty ranty and preachy, which is the sort of unfunny dirge I’d associate with the modern breed of left wing comedian.

Ifevera wiztherewas · 28-08-2019 3:02pm

8-10 wrote:

If MJ was a paedophile, these fake stories from Robson, Arviso and Chandler really hurt that argument. It's a bit like a boy who cried wolf. If you have multiple fake stories repeated years and decades apart, then how does a real person who's been abused get to the stage of being believed?

They're not guaranteed fake stories though. You choose to disbelieve them but somehow find Kelly's accusers believable ( I'd like to know your gauge for this, as in what constitutes a credible accusation ) whereas I believe Jackson's accusers.

Just because someone is cleared in a court of law doesn't mean they didn't commit the crime. I wonder if Kelly was found innocent would you then disbelieve his accusers?

James Brown · 28-08-2019 3:03pm

notobtuse wrote: »

He’s the PC culture's worst nightmare. At one point or another everyone will be offended by his shtick. But slaughtering a whole host of the left's sacred cows is a sin the left simply won’t tolerate. And for that, we owe him our gratitude.

All about the spin. Can you see the GOP inviting Dave to give a talk?
Who led the charge on banning rap? I have to hand it to the right wing folk, historically known for their conservative censorship and hypocrisy now selling it like 'the left' are playing big brother. It's because of 'the left' that a black man can be on TV saying this **** ffs...

weldoninhio · 28-08-2019 3:10pm

Deadly stand up show. Hilarious. Fair play to him for not kow-towing to the muppets in society.

Raconteuse · 28-08-2019 3:13pm

God all mighty, the obsession with using these terms like "woke" and "sjw" means using them in the wrong context no matter how illogical it looks.

How the f would this only trigger "the left"?

Are Jackson's critics and people who get offended by questioning child sexual abuse claims ONLY left-wing or something? Would this offend no right-wing folk?

Ffs - don't be stupid.

H8GHOTI · 28-08-2019 3:23pm

Stop gaslighting me you snowflake.

super_furry · 28-08-2019 3:28pm

So wait, it's a 'woke-left' stance to think that Michael Jackson was a kiddie-fiddler?

I swear to god there's just more and more people here who seem to base their entire world view on fringe American politics. Triggering the Lib-tards? The SJWS? The snowflakes? Cultural Marxism? It's nothing but a meaningless collection of buzzwords that you took from weird American websites and personalities.

antix80 · 28-08-2019 3:30pm

I watched half of it and I fell asleep.. not because it was boring but because I was tired. Will watch the rest later.

My impression was.. it's entertaining. I wasn't blown away by the quality of his material this time round. He's framing everything as part of a social commentary on cancellation culture and outrage and #metoo, but he's just doing what many other comedians have done before him which is to push the envelope and say controversial things. Most UK comedians who did this in the past were just quietly sidelined from TV in the 90s and certainly by 2010.

My own take on the matter but there are plenty of right-wing commentators and comedians who use the same irreverent humour who have for years been decrying outrage culture while trolling/triggering "libtards". For the more controversial/less experienced it was career-ending. For the ones who toe the line, they can get a good following online by people in on the joke, even if they get smeared as Nazis or "alt-right". Andrew Klavan, Gavin McInnes, Steven Crowder, even Donald Trump. I have a theory on why Chappelle is getting more support in his fight against PC culture - he's not a "straight white male."

Abel Ruiz · 28-08-2019 3:52pm

Ifevera wiztherewas wrote: »

The woke left.... oooh edgy.

He's a wanker for what he said but hey everyone's talking about him now so mission accomplished for him.

Maybe you're the wanker?
He's a comedian. Go and fudge yourself!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKPBZHpinLs

jimgoose · 28-08-2019 3:55pm

super_furry wrote: »

So wait, it's a 'woke-left' stance to think that Michael Jackson was a kiddie-fiddler?...

Indeed - a demonstrably strange black man who slept in a large bed with small boys, and we're told it's a "Lefty" thing to think he was probably a paedophile. What an age we live in! :pac:

drunkmonkey · 28-08-2019 3:56pm

antix80 wrote: »

I have a theory on why Chappelle is getting more support in his fight against PC culture - he's not a "straight white male."

Your probably right, The Diceman would cut through the left like a hot chainsaw through butter but he's too offensive as he's white and toxic.
Chappelle's sketch on the alphabet gang looked like something out of Mary Poppins in comparison.

Eric Cartman · 28-08-2019 3:56pm

A brilliant standup show like the good ol days when humor was allowed

ciarak7511 · 28-08-2019 4:00pm

I thought they found a disturbing stash of porn, including pictures of nude children but you can correct me if im wrong. Only the boys know exactly what he was up to when he was sharing his bed with them, but if he wasn't ''Michael Jackson'' I don't think anyone would be questioning it. In the least, whatever he was doing was highly inappropriate. I think those two guys actually have a lot to lose if they lied so id be surprised if they completely made it up.

James Brown · 28-08-2019 4:01pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your probably right, The Diceman would cut through the left like a hot chainsaw through butter but he's too offensive as he's white and toxic.
Chappelle's sketch on the alphabet gang looked like something out of Mary Poppins in comparison.

Would the Republican GOP or Conservative Engelicals have Dave over to speak? I think you don't know your the left from your the right.
Who tried to ban rap? Hint: it was before the conservative right had drones using terms like 'woke' and 'SJW' as insults.

This isn't a 'the left' thing. Or do you think only white supremacists on the Alt-Right like Dave?

Diceman was a one trick pony. Once the shock value died so did his career.

super_furry · 28-08-2019 4:02pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

A brilliant standup show like the good ol days when humor was allowed

WTF? The guy has a multi-million dollar Netflix special. Why are you acting like he's been sent to some underground prison.

He's making $60million dollars off this Netflix deal and you're babbling on about the 'good ol days when humor was allowed'.

Ifevera wiztherewas · 28-08-2019 4:05pm

super_furry wrote:

So wait, it's a 'woke-left' stance to think that Michael Jackson was a kiddie-fiddler?

super_furry wrote:

I swear to god there's just more and more people here who seem to base their entire world view on fringe American politics. Triggering the Lib-tards? The SJWS? The snowflakes? Cultural Marxism? It's nothing but a meaningless collection of buzzwords that you took from weird American websites and personalities.

Great post.

antix80 · 28-08-2019 4:05pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Would the Republican GOP or Conservative Engelicals have Dave over to speak? I think you don't know your the left from your the right.
Who tried to ban rap? Hint: it was before the conservative right had drones using terms like 'woke' and 'SJW' as insults.

I think you don't know your liberal from your conservative.

The GOP has many members who don't like bad language. They'd ban the word "damn" if they could.

Ifevera wiztherewas · 28-08-2019 4:06pm

Abel Ruiz wrote:

Maybe you're the wanker? He's a comedian. Go and fudge yourself!!!!

Ooh even more edgy.

Eric Cartman · 28-08-2019 4:06pm

super_furry wrote: »

WTF? The guy has a multi-million dollar Netflix special. Why are you acting like he's been sent to some underground prison.

He's making $60million dollars off this Netflix deal and you're babbling on about the 'good ol days when humor was allowed'.

Im really not. Im just saying its refreshing to see people unafraid to do comedy that goes against ‘prevailing trends’ again

James Brown · 28-08-2019 4:08pm

antix80 wrote: »

I think you don't know your liberal from your conservative.

The GOP has many members who don't like bad language. They'd ban the word "damn" if they could.

That's my point ffs...
Their online lackeys try to spin it like 'the left' are the big censors of free speech. Like Dave would have been allowed on TV if it were left to 'the right'.

simongurnick · 28-08-2019 4:08pm

Thought it was hilarious. Can't believe people don't understand it is comedy.

James Brown · 28-08-2019 4:09pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im really not. Im just saying its refreshing to see people unafraid to do comedy that goes against ‘prevailing trends’ again

It never stopped. Chris Rock is hugely popular. Benny Hill, not so much. If it's funny it's funny.

Jerichoholic · 28-08-2019 4:10pm

Thanks Vice, the fact that they are insisting on me not watching it, ensures that I will watch it.

super_furry · 28-08-2019 4:13pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im really not. Im just saying its refreshing to see people unafraid to do comedy that goes against ‘prevailing trends’ again

You really are - you literally said: "A brilliant standup show like the good ol days when humor was allowed," as if he somehow isn’t the biggest and most successful comedian in the world.

Dave Chapelle IS the ‘prevailing trend’. He is the mainstream.

Dave Chappelle triggers the Woke Left..

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