Dohnjoe wrote: » Well looks like she is about to make landfall soon. All those who were hysterical that their children would start absconding in sailboats across the ocean to go to UN conferences can now sleep a little easier. The "we know there's a problem with the climate but all this climate malarkey really annoys me and I must register it" will, I'm sure, find something else to vent about.
Records of one of the La Jolla presenters, a law professor at the University of Oregon (in Eugene), show that after the implosion of “cap-and-trade”, climate alarmists bemoaned how “conventional approaches” had failed them. With the voters and their elected representatives repeatedly disappointing the activists, even in the face of the $-billion-plus-a-year climate industry’s media and pressure group campaigns, the lawyers had plans. These plans included sending children in waves to the streets.The entire strategy of the civil and legal disruption we see, of suits, marches and strikes by schoolchildren, was laid out at this private session seven years ago. These public records produced mere days after 60 Minutes’s promotional segment, and days before the nationwide children’s climate walkouts, affirm: the climate litigation campaign was expressly grounded in this failure of “conventional approaches” otherwise known as our constitutional system it was to be “linked to youth climate movement (world-wide marches)”; it would be accompanied by a press strategy including documentaries featuring children; the meeting was acknowledged, but this strategy laid out there was “not to be publicized”; the strategy sought both a cooperative federal administration “Consent decrees (would be ideal)” — and to “Bring selected carbon majors to the table, then what?” Then what” turned out to be demands by cities for “damages” to run into the several hundred billions of dollars, in litigation — regularly thrown out by the courts — demanding that targeted industries bail out bankrupt progressive governance and pay for their desired programs. It meant, as in the Juliana case, a demand for federal imposition through the courts — by consent decree, if elections turn out right! — of what is now known as the dangerous if absurd Green New Deal.“Then what” turned out to mean a climate litigation industry, dedicated to a shakedown. And a lot of terrified, indoctrinated kids skipping school to serve as props in political, and legal, campaigns.source
Dickerty wrote: » Was that on her Facebook or Instagram? :rolleyes:
Stevieluvsye wrote: » declaring death to all adults
Dohnjoe wrote: » You got her there!
Stevieluvsye wrote: » And also all that mining in South America for lithium so she can tweet everyone daily or the electric car she claims is enviromentally friendly despite using lithium for its battery
Dohnjoe wrote: » They aren't annoyed at all, it is the people who are pointing out their weird fascination that are
She had an opportunity to demonstrate a practical, imitable solution, but instead, she relied on her celebrity to make a point... She could have started a wider conversation about the need for affordable transatlantic passage on low-carbon vessels. Or, perhaps most radically, she could have refused to travel at all, attending the summits via video conference and proving to multinational corporations that collaboration can indeed be achieved this way.
Deleted User wrote: » let me guess dohnjoe or yourself whiteknighting over a teenage swedish tantrum merchant dont count as weirdos, right?
Thelonious Monk wrote: » I hope she keeps doing things like this just to annoy the weirdos in this thread
Il Fascista wrote: » To be fair you seem to be the only one who's worked up here.
Dohnjoe wrote: » Well looks like she is about to make landfall soon. All those who were hysterical that their children would start absconding in sailboats across the ocean to go to UN conferences can now sleep a little easier. The "we know there's a problem with the climate but all this climate malarkey really annoys me and I must register it" will, I'm sure, find something else to vent about. So all is well with the world once more.. that is until she decides to take a solar-powered land-yacht made out of bamboo to her next conference, and all the usual types are triggered
Pa ElGrande wrote: » One should learn from the Australian experience on their electricity grid in some states in Australia they have to deal with voltage surges, frequency instability, even house fires and they need backup batteries and demand management schemes. All that complexity and instability adds to cost.
recedite wrote: » One nuclear station, plus decentralised wind and solar farms, plus feed in tariffs for home microgeneration, plus Spirit of Ireland built by the state to store off peak power, and the job is mostly done. A few small gas turbine generating stations near cities just to top up.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » I saw something earlier about making domestic pet food from insects. There are billions of cats and dogs being fed meats and there are luxury lines of meats etc which just seems ridiculous.
Stevieluvsye wrote: » Still going at it Gozunda?Batting the Greta lovers off one by one
gozunda wrote: » Nope. You're wrong. It will be 10 years 4 months 4 days and 15 hours according to gretas dooms day clock ....
weldoninhio wrote: » But we’ll be fcuked in eleven years though
KyussB wrote: » If you're not stating that there's no useful work to be done combatting carbon emissions - why are you asking me for examples for what forms that work could take? Take your pick of the numerous examples of such possible work in the last page or two.If the problem I'm focusing on is the big picture - mobilizing labour and resources at a large enough scale, to tackle reducing carbon emissions quickly (by the end of the next decade) - why would I want to get into a debate explaining all of the smaller-scale work that is required?That would just mean I end up debating small-scale stuff with people - not the big picture macroeconomic issues. If people disagree that there is an abundance of such work to do, then say so.
Thermohaline circulation—often dubbed “the ocean conveyor belt”—carries warm surface waters (pink) from the tropics to the North Atlantic, with the return flow at depth (purple). But contrary to many accounts (summarized by diagrams such as this), this heat conveyor plays only a minor role in keeping European countries warm during winter months. source
The waviness in the flow of the mid-latitude westerlies that is responsible for keeping European winters mild results from a fundamental principle of physics: the conservation of angular momentum. Because the top of the troposphere acts as something of a lid, air flowing from the Pacific over the Rocky Mountains must compress vertically and, as a consequence, expand horizontally. Conservation of angular momentum demands that a package of air (depicted as white cylinder) undergoing such a horizontal expansion must develop a component of clockwise spin to reduce the predominantly counter clockwise spin it has by virtue of its location in the Northern Hemisphere. (The length of the red arrows indicates relative amount of spin, which is derived from both local air movements and the revolution of the planet.) The new component of clockwise spin manifests itself as a gentle swerve to the south in what is predominantly west-to-east flow. When this package of air then moves over the eastern side of the continent and on over the Atlantic, it does the opposite, expanding vertically and contracting horizontally, which allows it to veer back toward the north. The wavelike pattern sends air heated over the Atlantic to the northeast, where it warms Europe.source
StinkyMunkey wrote: » As with everything in life, it always has to slap someone hard in the face before they will believe it. Hundreds of years from now, kids will be taught about the eejits who denied climate change was man made.
"What historians will definitely wonder about in future centuries is how deeply flawed logic, obscured by shrewd and unrelenting propaganda, actually enabled a coalition of powerful special interests to convince nearly everyone in the world that CO2 from human industry was a dangerous, planet-destroying toxin. It will be remembered as the greatest mass delusion in the history of the world - that CO2, the life of plants, was considered for a time to be a deadly poison."Richard Lindzen
"The public discourse on global warming has little in common with the standards of scientific discourse. Rather, it is part of political discourse where comments are made to secure the political base and frighten the opposition rather than to illuminate issues. In political discourse, information is to be 'spun' to reinforce pre-existing beliefs, and to discourage opposition."Richard Lindzen
gozunda wrote: » Nope - not stated 'there is no work' "Digging holes" is not literal - it was simply used as a figurative example to help you understand the question. So now that is clear - you can stop avoiding the issue and now provide an answer as to exactly what this "massive mobilization of labour is going to be doing. Do try and keep it focused if possible and no going off on bizarre tangents. Btw to digress off your manifesto - Greta et al appears to be little more than a dog and pony show but thats already been detailed...
Thelonious Monk wrote: » With all the infrastructure we have now, how could you decrease the population dramatically without things just exploding from not being looked after and power plants blowing up etc. I wonder how you could rewind development.
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