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Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Jimmy Garlic

Climate saint Greta Trunburg is settling sail for UN climate talks in New York to demand that governments socially engineer and tax the little people into oblivion to save the planet. Accompanied by her film maker father who lives vicariously through her, a filthy rich aristocrat from Monaco and some German bloke the trip will no doubt vastly increase the wattage of her halo before she lectures us all about impending climate Armageddon in New York. Hopefully snaps from the trip will make it into Hello! Magazine.

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Pa ElGrande

suicide_circus wrote: »

we can tax our way to safety!

Even better we can ignore the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation and control the temperature by paying more tax.

suicide_circus

Blueshoe wrote: »

Ireland introduced a carbon tax in 2010. Made zero impact.
Irish solution? Raise the tax.

A country of mongos

we can tax our way to safety!

Blueshoe

99problems1 wrote: »

It's mad to think people think eating a bit less meat will save the planet.

Do you really think the Indians or Brazilians give a ****e about climate change? They're more worried about putting food on the table and trying to improve their lives. It's all well and dandy for the lads with their "I identify as a vegan" with little worry other than what takeaway they'll order on Friday night to be TALKING about climate change.

And that's all it is, is talk. More flights than ever before in the air yet nothing is said!

I wonder how quickly peoples tune would change if they added a massive tax on products manufactured abroad.

iPhones and Galaxy S10s would cost prohibitively several thousand euro, your TV you spend 400 on will now cost 1k, your building materials go up too.

The life in which we need to prevent climate change is a million miles from the life we currently have. People will not give it up.

Ireland introduced a carbon tax in 2010. Made zero impact.
Irish solution? Raise the tax.

A country of mongos

recedite

99problems1 wrote: »

The yacht she's in travelling the US because she refuses to fly is being transported back using....none other than a frigging airplane!!!
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0826/1070958-greta-thunberg-yacht-trip/

Not the yacht, just the crew

I have a feeling that once Greta reaches dry land she won't want to set foot on a boat ever again.

99problems1

It's mad to think people think eating a bit less meat will save the planet.

Do you really think the Indians or Brazilians give a ****e about climate change? They're more worried about putting food on the table and trying to improve their lives. It's all well and dandy for the lads with their "I identify as a vegan" with little worry other than what takeaway they'll order on Friday night to be TALKING about climate change.

And that's all it is, is talk. More flights than ever before in the air yet nothing is said!

I wonder how quickly peoples tune would change if they added a massive tax on products manufactured abroad.

iPhones and Galaxy S10s would cost prohibitively several thousand euro, your TV you spend 400 on will now cost 1k, your building materials go up too.

The life in which we need to prevent climate change is a million miles from the life we currently have. People will not give it up.

suicide_circus

the well meaning people peddling "Imminent Catastrophe!! The End is Nigh" stuff do more damage to their cause than any fringe climate change denier (heretic).

its just a little too similar to the cults who constantly predict the end of the world and get proven wrong over and over.

does human activity impact the environment? 100%. does this then impact on climate to some extent? most likely yes.

but basing you message on panic,hyperbole and crying wolf does your cause no favours. people get tired of it and ultimately ignore it.

Pa ElGrande

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Did I read that right - she is flying home?

She is already missing out on the start of secondary school, in Sweden they can attend Gymnasieskola between ages 16–19 ( their equivalent to our Leaving certificate years). They probably want her back at school for the photos on September 20th.

Sonny noggs

Feisar wrote: »

As long as she sails back.

Apparently not

Sonny noggs

Did I read that right - she is flying home?

Blueshoe

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Like do people really think this standard of living and consumption can go on? You don't have to be a bloody climate scientist to know that this current model is doomed to catastrophe. Who in the developed world hasn't taken a flight these days? Greta is taking one back, big f*cking deal, the system needs to change and she's still part of the current system. She likely inspire lots of kids to fly less or eat less meat or try not to buy as many things in general when they're older, so fair bloody play to her. Plus I know people with Asperger, it's not like she's bloody rain man, I don't know why people keep focusing on that either.

Doomed to catastrophe. Lol. She's spent the whole trip eating cereal and watching cartoons

Pa ElGrande

Tell me how wrote: »

What about the vegan who is doing what she can to minimise her carbon footprint?

Or does she not count because she hasn't magically fixed everything.

The food miles thing died back pretty quickly once the vegans realised the implications. They switched their tactics to focus to cows farting as a way to reinforce their vegan superiority complex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjE080TGEEk

Tell me how

JJayoo wrote: »

I have seen Zero action on climate change, I have seen a lot of virtue signalling cuunnts

What about the vegan who is doing what she can to minimise her carbon footprint?

Or does she not count because she hasn't magically fixed everything.

Kimsang

JJayoo wrote: »

I have seen Zero action on climate change, I have seen a lot of virtue signalling cuunnts

Remember all that talk of the ozone layer being depleted?

The Montreal Protocol was formed in 1987, and has been described as

"perhaps the single most successful international agreement to date has been the Montreal Protocol" - Kofi Annan

Pa ElGrande

JJayoo wrote: »

. . .
If the government/EU gave a sh1t about climate change they would fine each country and then that money would be available back to each country as grants for projects beneficial to the climate, such as helping people insulation their houses or establishing new forests, big ass solar farm on the board na Mona site

There are loads of laws emanating from Brussels, But what about democracy . . . especially in a country where the public gave the wrong answer not once but twice and had to do it again and it was not only Irish voters Dutch and French voters rejected constitutional change so they ignored them and called it a treaty.

Why lobby in Brussels and how?

In the past years, Brussels has become home to one of the highest concentrations of political power in the world. European legislation nowadays has strong impact on the laws that are made in every Member State of the EU. That is why Brussels has been experiencing the establishment of thousands of lobbying offices. This is the place to be if you want to influence the European decision-making process, which can at times be a long and tortuous process.

Brussels is currently the second city in number of active lobbyists in the world, after Washington DC. The latest estimates are between 15,000 and 30,000 active lobbyists representing corporate companies, industry, agriculture and many other sectors. To have an effective impact and to let your voice be heard, it is better to work close to the EU institutions and policy makers.

source

You can get any laws you want to pay for from Brussels and it is this that is driving the increases in your carbon taxes for not meeting their "targets". Those interested in history will be remained of the Soviet gosplan. It did not work well for them in the end either.

JJayoo

Remember the last time everyone lost their **** about global warming, it was exactly the same, but then the recession hit and everyone soon forgot about the climate and it was produce more more more more.

If the government/EU gave a sh1t about climate change they would fine each country and then that money would be available back to each country as grants for projects beneficial to the climate, such as helping people insulation their houses or establishing new forests, big ass solar farm on the board na Mona site

Pa ElGrande

InTheShadows wrote: »

Once you admit you don't really give a flying fcuk about the planet it's very refreshing tbh and all the guilt trips we are being made to take are redundant.

George Carlin put his finger on it

“We’re so self-important. Everybody’s going to save something now. “Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails.” And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. Save the planet, we don’t even know how to take care of ourselves yet. I’m tired of this ****. I’m tired of f-ing Earth Day. I’m tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is that there aren’t enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world safe for Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don’t give a **** about the planet. Not in the abstract they don’t. You know what they’re interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They’re worried that some day in the future they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn’t impress me."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjmtSkl53h4

Nobody is paying any heed to what Greta says they are nodding to the consensus going about their lives.

Pa ElGrande

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

. . . Plus I know people with Asperger, it's not like she's bloody rain man, I don't know why people keep focusing on that either.

The condition also means she is quite capable of flipping 180 degrees on the subject or eventually going into a complete meltdown when she is no longer of use and the facts don't line up with her expectations. The critics here (myself included) have sympathy for Greta because she is being cynically abused for other peoples benefit.

InTheShadows

Once you admit you don't really give a flying fcuk about the planet it's very refreshing tbh and all the guilt trips we are being made to take are redundant.

Pa ElGrande

Tell me how wrote: »

Thank f*ck at least some people are acting to draw attention to climate change.

Climate change just happens to be a vehicle of convenience this is all about maintaining power and wealth. The tax paying public has become weary of the alarmists who have been preaching the same story for decades now and the public are more concerned with income, security and health issues which pertain to their lives.

Telling us we can't drive cars or go somewhere warm for Summer holidays while the people who are wealthier lecture us just do as they please ain't selling anymore with the plebeians. The scheme has been going for so long now they need new recruits so they are indoctrinating the children to be compliant future tax payers.

Anyway pretty soon climate change will be kicked off the roster once the bond market bubble collapse kicks off this will lead to sovereign debt defaults and pensions crisis and that will preoccupy those in power.

Bonds Meet the Four Criteria for Defining a Bubble

The Bond Rally Isn’t a Bubble, Albert Edwards Says. A Global Recession Is Coming..

Talk of bond markets is going off topic and will be the subject of another thread, the point is there are more important subjects for politicians to be concerned about, voters consistently rank climate change at the very bottom of their concerns.

[Deleted User]

shes raising awareness yay lets cheerlead everyone!

if theres one thing makes me hope for the destruction of the planet to come sooner rather than later, it'll be be the notion that the sum total of all the egotistical asses """"""raising awareness""""""" are worth mkre than one one good fart

Thelonious Monk

Like do people really think this standard of living and consumption can go on? You don't have to be a bloody climate scientist to know that this current model is doomed to catastrophe. Who in the developed world hasn't taken a flight these days? Greta is taking one back, big f*cking deal, the system needs to change and she's still part of the current system. She likely inspire lots of kids to fly less or eat less meat or try not to buy as many things in general when they're older, so fair bloody play to her. Plus I know people with Asperger, it's not like she's bloody rain man, I don't know why people keep focusing on that either.

JJayoo

I have seen Zero action on climate change, I have seen a lot of virtue signalling cuunnts

Tell me how

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Greta is just for optics, the narrative has already been written and the media will by in large stick to the script they've been given for this September.

CJR event on covering climate change
April 30, 2019

This is an email sent to media organisations earlier this year.

Greta is only along for the ride, her sailing across the ocean is not on the whim of some random millionaires, this is a coordinated media and political campaign intended to undermine resistance to having your pockets picked.

Thank f*ck at least some people are acting to draw attention to climate change.

Pa ElGrande

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yep she's getting lots of coverage and people afraid of change and climate change deniers are talking about her so she's doing a great job I think. Go Greta!!

Greta is just for optics, the narrative has already been written and the media will by in large stick to the script they've been given for this September.

CJR event on covering climate change
April 30, 2019

How does the media cover—or not cover—the biggest story of our time? Last fall, UN climate scientists announced that the world has 12 years to transform energy, agriculture, and other key industries if civilization is to avoid a catastrophe. We believe the news business must also transform.

The Columbia Journalism Review and The Nation assembled some of the world’s top journalists, scientists, and climate experts to devise a new playbook for journalism that’s compatible with the 1.5-degree future that scientists say must be achieved. We also held a town hall meeting on the coverage of climate change and the launch of an unprecedented, coordinated effort to change the media conversation.

source

This is an email sent to media organisations earlier this year.

Our ask of you is simple: commit to a week of focused climate coverage this September. We are organizing news outlets across the US and abroad—online and print, TV and audio, large and small—to run seven days of climate stories from September 16 through the climate summit UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres hosts in New York September 23. The stories you run are up to you, though we can offer ideas and background information and connect outlets looking for content with content providers looking for outlets.

We'd be happy to schedule a phone call to discuss this further. Thanks for considering, and we look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Mark Hertsgaard and Kyle Pope

source

Greta is only along for the ride, her sailing across the ocean is not on the whim of some random millionaires, this is a coordinated media and political campaign intended to undermine resistance to having your pockets picked.

99problems1

Cyclical Apocalypse wrote: »

What utter Bull**** I'm pretty sure the crew are flying commercially whether they are on it or not that plane is crossing the Atlantic with them and a few hundred other people onboard. So please if you're going to accuse someone of something at least get your facts straight.

...so why didn't she get the plane over there then considering the plane is flying over there anyways...

xckjoo

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Yes it is being done.Cracking and refining plastic to convert it into diesel and other fuel grades is not a complicated process.

Ya couldn't throw out a link or two no?

Cyclical Apocalypse

99problems1 wrote: »

The irony is that she's doing more damage to the planet than I am sitting at home. She's the reason a plane is flying over the Atlantic and back.

What utter Bull**** I'm pretty sure the crew are flying commercially whether they are on it or not that plane is crossing the Atlantic with them and a few hundred other people onboard. So please if you're going to accuse someone of something at least get your facts straight.

99problems1

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yep she's getting lots of coverage and people afraid of change and climate change deniers are talking about her so she's doing a great job I think. Go Greta!!

The irony being that she's doing more damage to the planet than I am sitting at home. She's the reason a plane is flying over the atlantic and back..

Thelonious Monk

99problems1 wrote: »

Wow I can't believe this fraud of a kid is still getting coverage. What an elaborate money making scheme she is for her parents. The yacht she's in travelling the US because she refuses to fly is being transported back using....none other than a frigging airplane!!!

Yep she's getting lots of coverage and people afraid of change and climate change deniers are talking about her so she's doing a great job I think. Go Greta!!

hetuzozaho

Some big waves on the latest update! Wednesday they plan to arrive:

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1166012265860096001