ToBeFrank123 wrote: » I'm afraid the ignorance is coming from you.https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/07/aig-earnings-q1-2019.html The had a profit of $1.39 billion in Q1 alone! Which if carried through the whole year would be potentially over $5 billion in profit. As opposed to:https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/sports-retailer-elverys-back-in-profit-as-expansion-on-the-cards-1.2962670 So Dublin's sponsor makes a quarterly profit of $1.39 billion. Mayos made a full year profit of €1.14 million pretax.
blanch152 wrote: » Oh the ignorance, the ignorance. Elverys employ over 700 people, are linked internationally to Intersports, essentially part of an international buying consortium. I don't know where you get the idea that they are not a massively wealthy company, compared to say Lifestyle. I notice you say some individual players in Mayo have deals with car dealerships. How do you think the other players feel when Aidan rocks up in his 191 Audi? Pat Gilroy and Jim Gavin instilled a team ethic in Dublin, where every player is as important as the next, eliminating the cult of the individual. That didn't happen in Mayo.
blanch152 wrote: » You are comparing Elverys Ireland to AIG International, when the comparison should either be Intersport to AIG International, or Elverys Ireland to AIG Ireland.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » A) dublin and kerry are no ways similar. If you cant see that, call it off altogether. No I dont think the money should be cut. Well actually I think every child in the country should get the same level of coaching and investment. Maybe that means their funding comes down a little to even it out, but generally speaking, no I dont want to starve dublin of funds at all. That would be a backward step. It is also the main reason why splitting dublin is the way to go. That way we keep the development going while reinvigorating the intercounty game.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Dublin and Kerry are similar in terms of domiannce you look at this: In fact it can be argued that Dublin have not reached the levels of dominance Kerry have had in the past.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Dublin and Kerry are similar in terms of domiannce you look at this: In fact it can be argued that Dublin have not reached the levels of dominance Kerry have had in the past. Or the levels of consistency of domaince except for the exception of ladies football. Surely if Dublin's level of Dominace is not good for the game (as argued by some) then Kerry's is just as bad or worse?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » You ask for a response, get one, then ignore it. I assume this is because you see you are wrong and now just want it to go away...
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » The sponsorshop deal comes out of Elverys accounts I'd say, otherwise the sponsorship would be for Intersport so it would make sense to have Intersport on the jersey if that was the case. So you need to provide proof that Intersport are paying out the money. I didn't allege AIG International were paying for the Dublin sponsorship, just that AIG are a huge company both in Ireland and internationally, whereas Elverys are a very small Irish company with very small profits.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » All that shows is that kerry with there average population and limited investment were able to achieve all of and more than what dublin were with their financial doping out their ears and every advantage under the sun... Which raises all sorts of questions about the dublin structures being best in class, investment in dublin being hugely wasteful and who hold the best claim to being the best team of all time.. It doesnt justify anything though.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Also I was thinking about another thing that I have not seen mentioned. How many Dublin clubs got foreign players in Dublin clubs Paul Galvin, Corrigan, McGeeney, Parkinson etc This is/was to the determent of Dublin players. It got me thinking it could work the other wau. Where could be a draft system where the weaker counties/any county in Leinster can pick 4/5 Dublin players each (who have not played senior intercounty) it would strengthen thier panels and improve the players around them by playing with better players?
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » Why do you keep comparing the two counties? One county received huge GDF funds after which it saw a remarkable increase in success across the board. The other is traditionally strong at GAA and received limited GDF in comparison. And has seen a decline in success in recent years. If anything, its Kerry who need GDF assistance now.
blanch152 wrote: » Back to the Future stuff here. If Dublin get funding and are successful, then it is financial doping. If Dublin get funding and aren't successful, then they are wasting the money. The real answer is that the money isn't the main reason for success, having the most talented group of players to ever play the game led by an excellent manager is the main reason.
blanch152 wrote: » Why would you have Intersport on the jersey, when Elverys are the Intersport brand in Ireland and GAA has an almost exclusive audience in Ireland?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Well what is to the detriment of dublin players now is the fact that 25% of the country are fighting it out to play on one team. Strange you are concerned about them back then but not now. Similarly, you arent that concerned about the 70 odd lads who would get doled out to other counties yet may be dyed in the wool dubs themselves, yet you cannot fathom the most logical, fair and obvious solution of just having 2 dublin teams. So maybe spare us the faux concern about dublin club players, thanks.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » You seem to want it both ways Dublin have 25% of the population yet you say they are overfunded. I am exploring other solutions - it works in rugby leinster players go to Connacht/Munster It is up to the players whether they are willing to move of course it would strengthen their teams. A few years ago Longford were half decent if you put 4/5 decent Dublin club players (on the cusp of senior intercounty) it would have made the world of difference to them. Somehow this solution seems to put you out a bit?
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » I've pointed out to you the profits of Elverys Ireland, €1.14 million. Now show us the proof that Intersport International is paying for the sponsorship of the Mayo football team. You've made an allegation, lets see the proof.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » But you are only seeing what you want to see. Dublin were underachieving drastically so it only stands to reason that they would see a level of improvement if they put any decent structure in place. In other words Dublin had regressed well below the mean - in terms of population etc they should have not fallen so far. But suddenly when it suits you the popilation argument is not used when Dublin were underachieving? It leads me to the next question how come Kerry can keep up the levels of domimace when other counties cannot? Derry recieve more funding then Mayo what has happpened them. Surely this demonstrates that GAA is not caused just by funding ? Cork nearly got a 12 in a row in ladies football. Why was it not Dublin? It is clear that funding does not guarantee success which is implied on this thread constantly. There are numerous holes in the belief.
blanch152 wrote: » AIG International isn't paying for the Dublin sponsorship, that would come out of the local budget, yet you chose to use the international profit figures for AIG International. Apples and oranges, either compare AIG International to Intersport International or compare the two local operations. Otherwise the comparison is disingenuous. The reality is both are part of large international operations, and being in different industries, it is impossible to compare. It is another example of how the figures are twisted on this thread, using central GDF money from the GAA only and counting it over the full decade, in order to ignore the GDF money provided by provincial councils as well as other central funds and also masking the decline in recent years.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » There's very limited economic opportunities in Longford, or Carlow, Wexford, Laois, etc. Unless they had a job in Dublin, and lived in Longford and commuted. It works for Rugby because its professional and that's their job.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » I didn't make the claim that Mayo are sponsored by a huge International company. You did. Now let's see your proof.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Many people commute in Leinster anyway as it is. A drive to Longford to Dublin would take two hours/just under. And with people looking for cheaper housing it would suit from that sense. Also you say it works in rugby because they are professional? Hasn't the tenant of this thread being that Dublin are professional in all but name They do no have to travel as much as those in other counties etc. Wouldn't a 4/5 Dublin player rule make teams stronger? It worked in Irish basketball with a quoata of American players per team.
ciarang85 wrote: » "Elverys, established in 1847, is Ireland’s oldest sports store, and today has 58 stores countrywide. Currently the company employ almost 800 people in Ireland. In 1995, Elverys became part of the Intersport group, one of Europe’s largest sporting goods buying groups. The Elverys brand remains true to its original roots, stocking products for a wide diversity of sports." From the Elverys website
MayoAreMagic wrote: » But I dont want them to have 25% of the population, i say they should have 2 teams. That isnt wanting it both ways. That is wanting the most obvious, fair and best solution for all parties to be utilised. The rugby teams are professional. Obviously not the same. No what put me out is that you pretend to be concerned about dublin club players, yet they get a terrible deal in the current setup and an even worse deal in the setup you propose as an alternative. It would appear it is you who wants it both ways. In fact you will take it any way, so long as dublin keep their advantages and get to win hollow all irelands. Help the club players/screw the club players, whatever works. That is the long and short of your stace.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » No I see the facts. Kerry, with average resources and relatively small investment, outperformed dublin with monsterous resources and ridiculous investment. That is what you just posted... You seem to think dublin deserve credit for that? Dublin underachieving drastically is both dublin's own doing and dublins issue. Why should everyone else carry that can? Man utd cant go to the fa and say ah here lads we used to be good, bur arent now. You might play all the games in old trafford and give us all the money until we win everything will you? This is in a nutshell, your argument. The reason kerry were able to have periods of domination is the same reason derry have fallen away, albeit temporarily I would expect, is the culture within the county. Kerry have created a culture where gaa is high on peoples interests. This is what every other county needs to do. This is what dublin actually needed to do, instead of looking for a bailout which was the easy way out. It is quite simple, if you dont think the funding is directly responsible for the success, pay it all back and get rid of the sponsors. Dublin has plenty of fans who could share the costs of the team and they dont have to stay in hotels, they are the most team who dont actually even need sponsorship.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Where is the proof that it comes out of the local budget? That sounds like an unsubstantiated claim to me. It doesnt say AIG ireland in the jersey, just like mayos dont say intersport. Ironically enough intersport is listed on dublins website as a sponsor. What was that about a large international corporation???
