mrbrianj wrote: » Sorry to put this in a question format, Does anybody think the the media war being waged by (mostly) UK mainstream media and Brexiteer campaigners is going to do long term damage to trade in goods between both camps? The rhetoric cant be of any benefit for targeting consumers. Regardless of regulations - British cars and Airbus wings as noted above - does this hard push turn people off British products? I imagine that EU products will take a hit in the UK market, to pro brexit customers anyway. All the talk of EU bullies, The Murphys, arrogant leaders, and such like has to dent the willingness of consumers across the EU to pick out British products. The only option UK manufactures may have is move from a quality product to a low cost option. Will animosity to UK products be collateral damage to the UK's internal brexit battle?
. interesting reference on that above to “agriculture has sufficient calorific content to feed the population, albeit with a restricted diet and a dramatic reduction in livestock production to enable all crop production to be used as human food” - that is not Brexit specific /2b
brickster69 wrote: » Tell them to cancel it if they want. Set up a new factory, employ and train new staff and everything should be ok in 5 years. Meanwhile there will be a bit of a jam at the assembly plants for planes awaiting some wings to arrive.
The head of Airbus in the UK has warned that the defence and aircraft company would reconsider its investment in the country in the event of Britain leaving the EU, saying such a move would be destructive with “enormous ramifications” for the UK’s long-term future.
brickster69 wrote: » Pretty sure every other country in the world that has access to EU markets overcome those easily enough.
brickster69 wrote: » Good point. Every company in the world has to make good that conform to the market they are sending goods to. That is globally not just the EU. The onus is on the importer that the goods conform to those standards, if they don't they send them back. Take Airbus for example. Airbus UK make wings for Airbus planes, do you think they will suddenly start making wings that do not conform to EU standards. Considering Airbus have a five year order backlog it would halt production of all Airbus planes. Late completion penalties which those contracts would have would bankrupt them in a year. Do you think UK carmakers will not make cars that do not conform to EU standards and likewise EU companies will make cars that do not conform to UK standards.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » Yes Aircraft are higher tech, and UK workers will cost less due how much they have lost with the fall in sterling. But when production of the A380 ends Airbus will need to take a decision about keeping that production line open.From 20th of May 2015
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » Your argument is that the UK will have to be an EU rule taker regardless and with no say in madding those rules.
brickster69 wrote: » Here is one from the CEO from a couple of months agohttps://www.euractiv.com/section/aviation/news/airbus-now-wants-to-remain-in-uk-regardless-of-brexit-outcome/
But the company also wants to reposition itself worldwide. Airbus, seen as the poster child of industrial integration in creating European champions, also wants to be “more Asian” to be closer to its fastest-growing markets.
AlmightyCushion wrote: » In reality it would likely be the exact opposite. Northern Ireland would both be in the UK and the single market. It would see loads of companies setting up there to take advantage of that. It would probably be the best thing to happen to the Northern Ireland economy.
With respect, that's nonsense. They had a chance with the offer on the table today to improve the lot of all in NI. Bearing in mind that the place is reliant on Westminster handouts, the deal as reported could have been a once in a lifetime opportunity to diversify and improve the economy there - Belfast could have been a hub for business currently based in other parts of the UK who would like to maintain a base that allowed them access to the EU without the need for wholesale upheaval (moving to other parts of Europe post Brexit). Because they way things are progressing, the handouts will be in very short supply post Brexit. There was an opportunity - for once - to do something that could have potentially improved the lives of all in NI - and they blew it. But no, the DUP maintained the only consistant word in their vocabulary. NO.
brickster69 wrote: » Let me repeat. If you want to export internationally to any country you have to provide goods according to it's regulations. If they are higher or lower than the EU it makes no difference at all. Same with every EU country that wants to export globally.They have to produce goods that conforms to it's market. That can be higher or lower than EU standards. Every business on the planet understand this, regardless if they are in the EU or not.
brickster69 wrote: » Of course, the UK will not be a part of the EU. So as is the case for all countries they will have to abide by EU standards if they want to export to that market. Same with all countries wanting to export to the UK. That's how it is.
Enzokk wrote: » I still don't understand the plan from Johnson here. I get he wants a election to get a majority, but the risks with this is so substantial it doesn't make any sense to me. If he gets his majority it only entrenches his position on no-deal. Or he could lose and be the shortest tenured PM in recent memory, so what is the upshot for him?
amacca wrote: » I think he reckoned this was his best shot at becoming PM so he felt like he had to take it now regardless of risks as he might never get another chance especially as he decided to back the brexit horse
VinLieger wrote: » And pray tell exactly which markets out there will the UK be the one dictating terms to?
correct horse battery staple wrote: » Read interesting article in FT, unfortunately it's behind paywall, but some of the points made with facts and figures gave food for thought. Ireland is one of the largest destinations for Uk exports, they export more here than China. Irish consumer is a quarter wealthier than UK consumers Irish workers are 9x more productive. We went from 90% of our exports going to UK to 9% to:dr they need us more than we need them
briany wrote: » His best shot at becoming PM for a decent span of time was back in 2016. I mean, he probably would have still run into the same problems, but he got have at least spat out the rhetoric without too much consequence for a fair while and felt like a big man. It's funny that he seemed to think the job was a little too hot to handle back then, but has decided to jump in now, while the job more of a poison chalice than ever. Probably regrets that.
brickster69 wrote: » The UK will have its own standards which other countries have to abide by if they want to sell goods into it's market.
CelticRambler wrote: » Or, as is far more likely, the UK will have to accept whatever standards are on offer if it wants when it needs to buy stuff from the rest of the world, seeing as the UK produces very little these days, other than those oh-so-valuable services tied to its Single Market/EU membership.
CelticRambler wrote: » I want to sell my weedkiller in the UK in November. Can you point me to the official description of the standards with which my product must comply? I'll be shipping it next month, so need to know by the end of this week. Oh, and can you give me the phone number of the lab that'll certify it as meeting those UK standards? Thanks.
Quin_Dub wrote: » You are of course correct - And every single one of the "Certificates of Conformity" (or whatever they might be called) that UK produced goods currently ship all around the world with are provided and certified by the EU. In the event of a No-Deal Brexit every single one of them becomes null and void on the 31st of October. The fact that they are still the same products that they are shipping today is irrelevant . If they don't have the correct valid paperwork , they can't clear customs. So the UK will have to set up certification labs (they may or may not already have them , they could be using ones in other EU jurisdictions today) and get them approved by all the other countries - That might in effect just be a rubber-stamp exercise but it's still a process that has to be completed. They will then have to re-certify every single product with this new "British Standard" , which despite the use of the that term has not existed in regulatory terms for a long time and get each and every country, supplier & purchaser to accept those new certs. It's a fair argument to say that that's all just boiler plate paperwork and all the products will pass with flying colours, but it will take more than a little time to get through it all.. All while UK products are going nowhere
brickster69 wrote: » It is not the UK buying it is it's businesses that are buying goods which the government set standards that they have to abide by. I'm quite sure plenty of global nations will be more than happy to get a bit of extra trade on it's books. Even if they are not dictating terms to the buyer.
PeadarCo wrote: » Which is exactly the problem. In an ideal world for businesses everyone would have the same standards as it makes the supply of a good or service cheaper. The UKs problem is that it is a very small market when compared to its next door neighbour the EU and the USA, China, India etc. There is only so much difference the UK can have in its standards when compared to the major economic powers. The bigger the difference in the UKs standards the bigger the cost of producing something different for a small market. Eventually if the differences are too big the UK won't be able to access a product or service. So in practice the UK must align itself with the standards of the major economic powers. Standards which the UK will have no influence in setting. The discussion about chlorinated chicken is a perfect example. The UK after brexit must make a choice the EUs standards or the USs. Neither of which the UK will be able to influence directly.
brickster69 wrote: » Come on there is a lot of countries in the world who trade successfully with each other. The UK will have it's own trade policy and its own standards which they will set out in due course no doubt. You would imagine that they would not be too different as to what they are at the moment for the immediate future. Just for continuity's sake.
