prawnsambo wrote: » He has voted against every EU treaty that went through parliament afaik. The method in his madness is that the Tories bring about brexit and take the blame for all the chaos and he rides in on his white charger and builds his worker's utopia on the ashes. And nationalisation is top of his agenda, which of course the pesky EU may have issues with. Among other things obviously. His is just another pick 'n mix EU membership unicorn farm.
AbusesToilets wrote: » I understand he's a fool, but why the rest of the party content to let him "lead" them off a cliff baffles me. Does he have a such a stranglehold on the reins of power in Labour?
No 10 has said rules allowing EU nationals to live and work freely in the UK will end in the event of a no-deal Brexit at the end of October. ... EU nationals who are already in the UK would be unaffected and can apply for settled status or pre-settled status in the same way as now.
seraphimvc wrote: » Brexit: Freedom of movement 'will end' says the government Well...is this a bluff or? This is clearly not well thought out if they are actually going to do it so soon - they wont have the resources to effectively deal with the 'visa/settled status applications' by so many EU nationals in UK ffs. This is hilarious either way if Boris is seeking any kind of reaction from EU like this.
Leroy42 wrote: » I thought they had already guaranteed the rights of all EU citizens to remain in the UK? Johnson had said it I thought? It is odd that a many in the country complain that immigrants don't integrate, but the answer to that seem to be to only let immigrants stay for the shortest possible time and not their families etc.
Valhallapt wrote: » Tommie Gorman on the end to FoMhttps://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1163433557777375233 Priti Patel’s ambitions do look to run counter to maintaining the CTA, most likely not a deliberate ending of the CTA, but unicorn incompatibility
prawnsambo wrote: » It's the logical extension of brexit. It's stating the obvious. Again. Yes, it will end, because all the treaties will end.
A Home Office spokesperson told the Independent: “The home secretary has been clear in her intention to take back control of our borders and end free movement after 31 October. “Ending free movement means we are no longer required to give unlimited and uncontrolled access to those from EU countries when they are coming here seeking to work.” The Home Office minister Brandon Lewis said last week that more than 1 million people had been granted settled or pre-settled status through the scheme, after 1,038,100 people applied by 31 July. It was unclear how many other EU nationals have since had their applications received. The deadline for applying to the EU settlement scheme if the UK leaves the bloc without a deal is 31 December 2020.
seraphimvc wrote: » I mean sure that's what they said, but why would they do it so soon - they should focus on tackling the actual 'crisis' they are facing now no? From Guardian also:menahttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/19/threat-to-end-freedom-of-movement-overnight-reckless-say-eu-citizens
We must build a transformative movement that begins with the popular rejection of the EU within many working-class communities and that advances genuine internationalism with allies in the labour movement across the world.
ArmaniJeanss wrote: » Not actually true, but it was quite close. They won Islington but not the constituency of Islington North. Regardless there is a 40 year history of Euro election results not really translating to GE voting in the UK.
ballsymchugh wrote: » Corbyn should be worried though, the Remain alliance wasn't ratified in time for the Euro elections and they will be for any general election. He will be up against one candidate from Green/Lib dems/Change and could be in for a surprise.
Water John wrote: » It would be real karma if both Johnson and Corbyn lost their seats in a GE.
peter kern wrote: » But, sadly for the UK, on balance this won't pan out well for them. Looking at the EU's goods exports:- 93% will be unaffected by Brexit (because they don't go to the UK) - 6% go to UK but (unless UK changes its tariff rules) won't attract tariffs because they are in tariff-free categories - 0.85% will attract low- or medium-rate tariffs in the UK - 0.35% will attract high tariffs (more than 10%) in the UK But looking at the UK's goods exports: - 48% will be unaffected by Brexit (because they don't go to the EU) - 25% go to EU but won't attract tariffs because they are in tariff-free categories - 24%% will attract low- or medium-rate tariffs in the EU - 3% will attract high tariffs (more than 10%) in the EU So it seems the "lots of goods attract zero or low tariffs" point, while valid, is going to deliver a lot more benefit to the EU than it is to the UK.
McGiver wrote: » New leftist initiative in the UK called LEFT - LEave, Fight, Transform.https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/leave-fight-transform-founding-statement Are they for real? Are they high?
wrote: ......the false prophets of the right will step in with their empty promises and reactionary utopias.
ArmaniJeanss wrote: » Nah, can't happen. ChangeUK are irrelevant outside their current constituencies and will have no influence on Islington North - their MPs will all be in huge time-consuming battles to keep their own seats. Libs and Greens may agree on one candidate alright, but actively trying to take Islington North would be a stupid waste of resources, especially for parties where such resources (money, canvassers, known electable candidates) are very limited. Focussed and concentrated targeting of ~60 winnable seats makes more sense to me. Corbyns seat should be way down any logical target list.
They have seen that the UK parliament has three times rejected the withdrawal agreement, the backstop just doesn’t work, it’s not democratic and I hope that they will see fit to compromise, but in the meantime we get ready to come out on 31 October.
CrabRevolution wrote: » The absence of self awareness is staggering ......the false prophets of the right will step in with their empty promises and reactionary utopias. The absence of self awareness is staggering
......the false prophets of the right will step in with their empty promises and reactionary utopias.
trellheim wrote: » That's the Morning Star, Corbyn's favourite newspaper ( voice of the hard left ) .... the real point to draw here is that it will be very hard for Corbyn's base -for that's what this is - to stand against Brexit Whoever is doing this is doing everything possible to stop interference with Out-by-31st-October. It will be read at the highest levels of Labour, and feeds into why Labour's less-than-wonderful opposition to Brexit.
92% of members want all Labour MPs to vote down Theresa May’s Brexit deal 89% believe a no-deal Brexit should be rejected as a viable option 82% believe Brexit is likely to make things worse for their friends, family and community. While 41% of members support a public vote in all circumstances a total of 57% either prioritise a General Election over a public vote or do not want any public vote 97% of respondents signed a petition calling on Theresa May to immediately end the uncertainty around the rights and status of EU citizens living in the UK, and UK citizens living elsewhere in the EU.
prawnsambo wrote: » I wonder will Johnson have the nerve to come out with this guff when he meets Macron and Merkel: I suspect Macron will have just two words for him; the second being 'off'. Merkel may be a bit more restrained, but the undemocratic backstop stuff would be enough to try a saint. Somehow I don't think he will have the nerve. I'd love to be a fly on the wall though.
Joe_ Public wrote: » I have read about the remain alliance targetting Corbyns seat. What a waste of energy and resources. Corbyn had over 70% of the vote in 2017 and has previously got by on 40%. I would imagine it's more to do with getting as much an anti-Corbyn message out there as possible as with any serious electoral strategy in mind. Johnson is a more interesting scenario i think. Had his majority halved in 2017 and interestingly, Labour are fielding a young Muslim immigrant against him who will be targeting a somewhat dormant big student population in the constituency to help close the gap. The heathrow issue could be another complication. Voting pacts are the other potential dealbreaker, but hard to know how they might work. Uxbridge & Sth Ruislip was a 57% leave constituency in 2016 referendum, but many polls suggest the pendulum has swung slightly back to remain in the meantime.
Joe_ Public wrote: » I have read about the remain alliance targetting Corbyns seat. What a waste of energy and resources. Corbyn had over 70% of the vote in 2017 and has previously got by on 40%. I would imagine it's more to do with getting as much an anti-Corbyn message out there as possible as with any serious electoral strategy in mind.
