Joe Daly wrote: » The ball went off a limerick player first it was given the wrong way by the linesman.
Last Stop wrote: » While Tipp were at their brilliant best in the second half, I can’t help but feel that a lot of the genuine Tipp fans will view this as a hollow victory. Unfortunately for a Tipp, the same questions still remain over this team.
xl500 wrote: » KK fans all going on about decision of ref on hogan don't forget ye got to Final due to bad decision in Semi, Limerick line ball was clearly shown to be deflected by KK man for a 65 So ye benefited that day from a bad decision and today well thats the way it goes
Last Stop wrote: » While Tipp were at their brilliant best in the second half, I can’t help but feel that a lot of the genuine Tipp fans will view this as a hollow victory. .....
Field east wrote: » Heard Cody interview on radio and ‘sour grapes ‘ came to mind. He alluded to the fact that the ref was not initially sure of what happened re the Hogan Barrett incident. In other words he ‘dillied dallied ‘ over the incident - suggesting that there was doubt in the refs mind, therefor he should have given Hogan the benefit of the doubt. From what I saw , it was the linesman who brought the incident to the notice of the ref, so of course the few had to ‘ gather all the facts’ b4 acting - especially given the potential influence of the outcome re a red card. Cody also alluded to the wet conditions causing Hogan to not be totally in control of his actions as he approached Barrett. The TV showing the action speaks for itself- there was no ‘slipping and sliding’ in the approach contact and follow through by Hogan. If Hogan wanted to ‘ get Barrett back’ for an earlier incident there were a thousand outer ways of doing it legitimally - the chief one being adding to the scoreboard. If he wanted to give Barrett a ‘ good shoulder’ to wind , injure or drive Barrett over the sideline then he should have done it with his shoulder and NOT his elbow. From an empathy point of view it was just a ‘ moment of madness ‘ by Hogan. As they say ‘ it can happen a bishop’
rebs23 wrote: » The best Hurling team all year won the All Ireland. Congratulations Tipperary. Congratulations to the referee as well yesterday as we simply could not go with the type of refereeing and some of the so called hurling that took place in the semi - finals. Since the helmet became mandatory, tackling has developed to a dangerous level at head height and Hogans decision to elbow a player into the jaw was rightly punished.
Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: » Hogan suffered a much worse hit in the qf with Cork, with no red dished out, I'm sure you felt the same concern about "dangerous" tackling then too.
Field east wrote: » Heard Cody interview on radio and ‘sour grapes ‘ came to mind. He alluded to the fact that the ref was not initially sure of what happened re the Hogan Barrett incident. In other words he ‘dillied dallied ‘ over the incident - suggesting that there was doubt in the refs mind, therefor he should have given Hogan the benefit of the doubt. From what I saw , it was the linesman who brought the incident to the notice of the ref, so of course the few had to ‘ gather all the facts’ b4 acting - especially given the potential influence of the outcome re a red card. Cody also alluded to the wet conditions causing Hogan to not be totally in control of his actions as he approached Barrett. The TV showing the action speaks for itself- there was no ‘slipping and sliding’ in the approach contact and follow through by Hogan. If Hogan wanted to ‘ get Barrett back’ for an earlier incident there were a thousand outer ways of doing it legitimally - the chief one being adding to the scoreboard. If he wanted to give Barrett a ‘ good shoulder’ to wind , injure or drive Barrett over the sideline then he should have done it with his shoulder and NOT his elbow. From an empathy point of view it was just a ‘ moment of madness ‘ by Hogan. As they say ‘ it can happen a bishop’ Did Barrett ‘ make a meal of it’? . What player does not ‘ go down’ or ‘ make a meal of it when there is a possibility of getting a free AT LEAST. The ‘ follow through’ by the victim is aimed at enhancing what happened for the refs and his assistants eyes. And saying to the ref - ‘ ref , look , I have been fouled’ A big issue is being made of 14 v 15 for half the match. The missing position was the Kilkenny CORNER FORWARD. So what were the goalie, the six backs , the two centerfield and the three half forwards doing to allow themselves be beaten by 14 points. Yes more ball was sent up from the Tipp backs, but No better team than Kilkenny to rise to the situation when the chips are down. For some strange reason , a GAA team with one ‘man’ down very often find the reserves to substantially compensate for the missing player. IMO Cody was outfoxed by Sheedy. Tipp did little or no hurling in the First half and Kilkenny did all the hurling yet Tipp lead by a pt ad H time. They were expected to wake up in the second half and the definitely did.
Bridge93 wrote: » The reaction from Kilkenny to the whole day has been very disappointing from such a great hurling county
Bridge93 wrote: » People keep saying ‘it ruined the game’ as if that matters even a tiny bit. A red card offense deserves a red card regardless of it effect on the game as a spectacle. Pundits saying it should be taken into accounts it’s finals day is nonsense. It was a red card, blatantly obvious. The amount of debate around it is crazy. The whataboutery regarding other challenges is rubbish too. The reaction from Kilkenny to the whole day has been very disappointing from such a great hurling county
sanjose1 wrote: » Well a little graciousness in defeat would suffice, Cody didnt give one ounce of credit to Tipp, but then hes in the same category of Ferguson/Wenger of never crediting the opposition for anything
corner back 2 wrote: » Plenty of KK people on here crediting Tipp for their performance. We are however entitled to defend our own as I imagine you would with your own county and players and will make no apologies for that. Plenty of anti KK brigade on here so some do feel its necessary to support our own due to the service and enjoyment they have given our county over the years. Once again fair play to Tipp better team on the day. Onwards and upwards to next year.
Field east wrote: » Heard Cody interview on radio and ‘sour grapes ‘ came to mind. He alluded to the fact that the ref was not initially sure of what happened re the Hogan Barrett incident. In other words he ‘dillied dallied ‘ over the incident - suggesting that there was doubt in the refs mind, therefor he should have given Hogan the benefit of the doubt. From what I saw , it was the linesman who brought the incident to the notice of the ref, so of course the few had to ‘ gather all the facts’ b4 acting - especially given the potential influence of the outcome re a red card. Cody also alluded to the wet conditions causing Hogan to not be totally in control of his actions as he approached Barrett. The TV showing the action speaks for itself- there was no ‘slipping and sliding’ in the approach contact and follow through by Hogan. If Hogan wanted to ‘ get Barrett back’ for an earlier incident there were a thousand outer ways of doing it legitimally - the chief one being adding to the scoreboard. If he wanted to give Barrett a ‘ good shoulder’ to wind , injure or drive Barrett over the sideline then he should have done it with his shoulder and NOT his elbow. From an empathy point of view it was just a ‘ moment of madness ‘ by Hogan. As they say ‘ it can happen a bishop’Did Barrett ‘ make a meal of it’? . What player does not ‘ go down’ or ‘ make a meal of it when there is a possibility of getting a free AT LEAST. The ‘ follow through’ by the victim is aimed at enhancing what happened for the refs and his assistants eyes. And saying to the ref - ‘ ref , look , I have been fouled’ A big issue is being made of 14 v 15 for half the match. The missing position was the Kilkenny CORNER FORWARD. So what were the goalie, the six backs , the two centerfield and the three half forwards doing to allow themselves be beaten by 14 points. Yes more ball was sent up from the Tipp backs, but No better team than Kilkenny to rise to the situation when the chips are down. For some strange reason , a GAA team with one ‘man’ down very often find the reserves to substantially compensate for the missing player. IMO Cody was outfoxed by Sheedy. Tipp did little or no hurling in the First half and Kilkenny did all the hurling yet Tipp lead by a pt ad H time. They were expected to wake up in the second half and the definitely did.
Last Stop wrote: » I can think of at least 4 incidents where players have done the exact opposite of what you are suggesting (including 2 in AI finals). Defending a player for feigning injury by suggesting all others do it is a sad reflection on the game. I have no doubt that this influenced the referees decision. I would have to agree that the referee took an extraordinarily amount of time to make the decision. I know it was a big decision but usually with a red card it is done straight away. I never agreed with checking with the injured player before closing the incident. The extent of the injury should not influence the decision as a player can be badly injured by an innocuous foul or a player can be fine after a bad foul. The fact that he had a chat with Richie (no t BTW) before sending him off was also quite odd. I am not saying for one second that the red was the wrong decision but I think The reaction of the player has to be challenged when they appear to be exaggerating the injury. Can we also put to bed this ****e of Richie trying to retaliate for an earlier incident. Richie is not that kind of player first of all and watching it, it is clear that Barrett’s footwork caught Richie out. If Richie wanted to retaliate then he would have done it on the scoreboard!! Your reading of the spare man is far too simplistic. Yes Tipp had a free corner back but that allowed then the space to put good ball into the full forward line. This is what killed Kilkenny. The Kilkenny backs hurled extremely well in a difficult situation so to question their play yesterday is not lazy analysis. In other games particularly when teams player a sweeper being a man down doesn’t mean as much but when your game plan is based on I dont believe that Tipp would have run away with it if it was 15v15. Yes they were having their purple patch but so did Limerick towards the end of the semi final. A point down at half time and playing with the wind in the second half I think you would have been foolish to say it was game over for Kilkenny.
lawred2 wrote: » Give that a rest Why would Tipp - a team came from behind to beat Wexford when they were down to 14 men see this a hollow victory? In a year where they beat - Cork, Limerick, Clare, Waterford, Laois, Wexford and Kilkenny to win the AI.. Yeah a hollow one alright.
Sweet.Science wrote: » Disagree - it was clear as day he was looking to leave one on Barrett after getting a smack earlier He put this before his team on the biggest stage of all Amazing the ref and Barrett are taking flak for this. All Kilkennys ire should be at Hogan himself
Sweet.Science wrote: » Disagree - it was clear as day he was looking to leave one on Barrett after getting a smack earlier He put this before his team on the biggest stage of all Amazing the ref and Barrett are taking flar this. All Kilkennys ire should be at Hogan himself
